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06 Mar 2013 - 11:3598273
help with armour! dominion tank police leona!
hello all!

reeeeeeally need some help/advice with some armour i'm hoping to build for a leona ozaki cosplay

i've never built armour but would (with a little help) be happy to experiment with materials. i have a strong arts/design background so think i could handle it.

i was considering purchasing something to start as a base for the armour for her.

my boyfriend suggested american football style pads. but womens bads are NOT cheap.

found a good alternative though which i think might be a good base but i have a few questions...


would you bother with a base?
am i better starting from scratch?
what are the best techniques/materials?

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/costume/view/74262

if you refer to the above link i have posted a picture of the 2 different pad sets i have found. the right hand one i think could work well!

any help GREATLY appreciated xxx


06 Mar 2013 - 12:0498276
I like the one on the right like you mentioned - plus the price is also more favourable.

Personally though I would be tempted to just make the base out of upholstry foam and cut it to size. It might work out cheaper. Plus it will be a lot more comfortable to wear on your part. Or you can buy the shoulder pads and things preshaped.

Because it's a fabric top you basically sew the insert into the areas you want to give definition. And if you make the inserts yourself you can make it as big or small as you want

I used to buy my foam from these guys:
http://www.efoam.co.uk/foamshapes.php?gclid=CPH31tSF6LUCFQYipQodozgAIw

and they were a good price

I don't think there's anything wrong with building it on the plastic underrig I just think foam would be more comfy - as it will be flexible instead of stay rigid


06 Mar 2013 - 12:5098280
Quote gaming_goddess:
I like the one on the right like you mentioned - plus the price is also more favourable.

Personally though I would be tempted to just make the base out of upholstry foam and cut it to size. It might work out cheaper. Plus it will be a lot more comfortable to wear on your part. Or you can buy the shoulder pads and things preshaped.

Because it's a fabric top you basically sew the insert into the areas you want to give definition. And if you make the inserts yourself you can make it as big or small as you want

I used to buy my foam from these guys:
http://www.efoam.co.uk/foamshapes.php?gclid=CPH31tSF6LUCFQYipQodozgAIw

and they were a good price

I don't think there's anything wrong with building it on the plastic underrig I just think foam would be more comfy - as it will be flexible instead of stay rigid


this sounds like a great idea (if i'm following you correctly). could you explain it a little more for me just to make sure i'm on the same page... i keep seeing it in different ways in my head. everyone laughs at me at work cos i have to draw diagrams for everything, i'm such a visual person! x


06 Mar 2013 - 14:0298284
I prefer drawings to so not a problem. I used this technique for my MGS4 Meryl Underarmour:
http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/costume/view/8748
I used a 2 way stretch fabric but I would suggest using a 4 way stretch fabric as it will be easier and you won't get the weird rippling I did on mine.

Basically you wanna make three layers:

It's up to you weather you have the base layer or not. Foam can be quite itchy when it's directly against skin so I would suggest it plus you can just use a cheap and cheerful primarni tshirt and use that a base. You may want to ask someone to help you with
sewing the foam on though, it's slightly easier to sew the foam while the tshirt is on your body but it's all personal preferance really. Once all the foam to is added to base layer (if you opt for one)you wanna add the Lycra/4way stretch layer. It's probably better to make the top layer completely before putting it over the the foam layer and pull into place. Certain sections will need to be sew together to keep in place but depends on your preferance

Also depending on how you sew it you can add extra definition to the foam for example using a cotton a shade darker then then fabric to give the appearance of shadow.

If you don't opt for a base layer everything will need to be sew directly to the top layer (I used this for my Meryl Shoulder pads and it was fiddly but kinda worked)

I will be remaking my Meryl Underarmour and working on an Old Snake Cosplay for a friend:
http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/costume/view/60064

And both these costumes use the techniques I've described and I will be doing small journals with photos detailing the process

Hope that helps - sorry the pictures are in paint but I hope they made sense


09 Mar 2013 - 16:5498610
Though I ended up not bothering with most of my Sif armour, what I did do worked out okay without a base. My main concern was too much flex in my thigh armour, but this kind of worked itself out during production (I basically did half-round armour instead of fully round my leg).

I wouldn't bother with a base as well as foam if you just need curves; the football armour is likely to be bulky and adding even a layer of well-moulded foam might be a bit too 'thick'.


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09 Mar 2013 - 16:5698611
On a slightly unrelated note, if you're looking for false 'rivets' on your armour I can heartily recommend uncovered snap fit buttons. Dunelm Mill do them in a pack of three (three backs, three curved fronts). They go well through foam, clip on securely and can be painted as they come as blank white plastic.


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09 Mar 2013 - 23:5398645
Quote LewaKyser:
I wouldn't bother with a base as well as foam if you just need curves; the football armour is likely to be bulky and adding even a layer of well-moulded foam might be a bit too 'thick'.


I agree with this - I would use either the foam technique or the football pads :S Wasn't sure if I made that clear.


11 Mar 2013 - 14:5298768
wow! thanks alot for the help, will have to re-read this later (at work at the moment)

all sounds like great advice and the stuff you've linked me to looks great!

THANKYOU XXX


12 Mar 2013 - 12:1698817
on a similar vane...i'm trying to work on a breastplate for another cosplay at the moment (karin from dna2). i was considering starting by casting my chest in mod-roc...would that work or is there a better alternative you could suggest?

cheers x


15 Mar 2013 - 18:3599086
I'm building armor for my first ever cosplay at the moment and I'm using Plastazote to build it with, it's very lightweight but can get more pricey at higher thicknesses (You can get 2mx1m for about £15 with VAT).

My general method is to use diluted PVA (1:1) on it, then paint it with Plasti-dip (It bites better into the plastazote with the dilute PVA there) , then the primer, then spray paint all of that. Once that's done I'd weather the paint with a darker colour so it looks like it's been worn, and not like it's come fresh out of a paint bucket.

I'm still new to this cosplay business but I hope that helps you.



Last edited by DeadlyObsession (15 Mar 2013 - 18:35)
18 Mar 2013 - 09:2899211
Quote DeadlyObsession:
I'm building armor for my first ever cosplay at the moment and I'm using Plastazote to build it with, it's very lightweight but can get more pricey at higher thicknesses (You can get 2mx1m for about £15 with VAT).

My general method is to use diluted PVA (1:1) on it, then paint it with Plasti-dip (It bites better into the plastazote with the dilute PVA there) , then the primer, then spray paint all of that. Once that's done I'd weather the paint with a darker colour so it looks like it's been worn, and not like it's come fresh out of a paint bucket.

I'm still new to this cosplay business but I hope that helps you.


thats great thankyou! i've had so many suggestions i'm not sure what to go for!

for my karin (dna2) cosplay i've taken casts in modroc, which im going to fill, remove and then i have a copy to use as a base to work on with foam.

just need to decide on materials!


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