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13 Feb 2013 - 19:2397285
Quote PandoraCaitiff:

Honestly? Its not a costume I'd have done, and I probably wouldn't have been comfortable being around you wearing it.

As established, I'm pretty damn white, so I'm not offended, but I'd be worried about someone not familiar with the costume (or cosplay), seeing artificial brown skin, and tribal/native dress, and getting upset, offended or even aggressive.


Which is entirely fair enough as a reaction to have, given its neither aggressive or confrontational.

Parts of it were primarily Native American in origin (I could waffle on the why for a while), and that skin tone (in my understanding anyway) is well off for that ethnic/racial group.

Weirdly more people got wound up about the fact I'd used Native American sourced beads and gems, alongside real buffalo and bison horn, bone and sinew (that chestplate is about 90% organic material)...

And Jae, as ever your contributions in any debate thread make me smile - I salute you sir!


13 Feb 2013 - 22:0997294
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
Quote JaeXD:
Brb gonna dye my skin blue and take offense at all the Avatar cosplays.


HOW DARE YOU SIR!

I'm half Zentraedi on my dad's side and I take great offence at that!


*wipes tear from eye* Brilliant.


14 Feb 2013 - 09:1597297
Quote S-Lawliet:
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
Quote JaeXD:
Brb gonna dye my skin blue and take offense at all the Avatar cosplays.


HOW DARE YOU SIR!

I'm half Zentraedi on my dad's side and I take great offence at that!


Interestingly, there is actually a rare medical condition that can turn your skin blue or grey called Argyria


And you don't hear those brave souls complaining. We could learn something from them.

Always happy to mock the situation, Junta.


14 Feb 2013 - 12:1597301
That was an interesting article. Raises issues I always suspected were out there but have never experienced.

Personally, I have not had cause (yet) to cosplay a fair skinned character. This might be because subconsciously I feel I won't pull it off well or maybe I just don't want the drama that might come with it.

However, being someone that is always willing to pour petrol on fire, I might just attempt Superman. Yup, a black baldheaded Superman with maybe a glued-on curly hair patch for comic effect


14 Feb 2013 - 12:4197303
Quote WarriorTeddy:
That was an interesting article. Raises issues I always suspected were out there but have never experienced.

Personally, I have not had cause (yet) to cosplay a fair skinned character. This might be because subconsciously I feel I won't pull it off well or maybe I just don't want the drama that might come with it.

However, being someone that is always willing to pour petrol on fire, I might just attempt Superman. Yup, a black baldheaded Superman with maybe a glued-on curly hair patch for comic effect


This would make me want to do a brown Batman.


14 Feb 2013 - 12:5097304
Quote JaeXD:
Quote WarriorTeddy:
That was an interesting article. Raises issues I always suspected were out there but have never experienced.

Personally, I have not had cause (yet) to cosplay a fair skinned character. This might be because subconsciously I feel I won't pull it off well or maybe I just don't want the drama that might come with it.

However, being someone that is always willing to pour petrol on fire, I might just attempt Superman. Yup, a black baldheaded Superman with maybe a glued-on curly hair patch for comic effect


This would make me want to do a brown Batman.


Haha. Do it! Then we'll have the makings of a multi-cultural Justice League


14 Feb 2013 - 13:0197305
Quote WarriorTeddy:
Quote JaeXD:
Quote WarriorTeddy:
That was an interesting article. Raises issues I always suspected were out there but have never experienced.

Personally, I have not had cause (yet) to cosplay a fair skinned character. This might be because subconsciously I feel I won't pull it off well or maybe I just don't want the drama that might come with it.

However, being someone that is always willing to pour petrol on fire, I might just attempt Superman. Yup, a black baldheaded Superman with maybe a glued-on curly hair patch for comic effect


This would make me want to do a brown Batman.


Haha. Do it! Then we'll have the makings of a multi-cultural Justice League


You should definitely do it!


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14 Feb 2013 - 16:2697308
It's a really interesting article. Fortunately, I guess, I haven't personally come across that topic - but I read about it a lot. Mainly due to the character Korra (from the new Avatar series). I wondered what her skintone was, because in the series it varies a bit. I came across awesome cosplayers, but when I read some comments underneath their pictures, I was shocked.

Either they were accused of 'whitewashing' or 'faking tan' and thus 'expressing racism'.

I don't really get why making my skin tone a bit darker is supposedly racism? We're talking about characters here, invented persons and we're trying to do them justice, as good as we can. I am white as a sheet and I thought about cosplaying Korra, but after looking through the internet.. I changed my mind. I still would love to cosplay her, but I really don't want to read 'you are a racist' underneath my photos.

I get that painting yourself white or black may look ridiculous - but that's an entirely different thing.
Why is it racist if I simply happen to love a black character and just want to do this cosplay? Am I not rather showing my love for that character with my attempts?

To me skintone doesn't matter. Whether you're black, yellow, white, green, blue or red - why not do it? I have to admit, though, that sometimes it mayb look odd, but that's a different topic


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14 Feb 2013 - 16:5597311
Quote Sley:
It's a really interesting article. Fortunately, I guess, I haven't personally come across that topic - but I read about it a lot. Mainly due to the character Korra (from the new Avatar series). I wondered what her skintone was, because in the series it varies a bit. I came across awesome cosplayers, but when I read some comments underneath their pictures, I was shocked.

Either they were accused of 'whitewashing' or 'faking tan' and thus 'expressing racism'.

I don't really get why making my skin tone a bit darker is supposedly racism? We're talking about characters here, invented persons and we're trying to do them justice, as good as we can. I am white as a sheet and I thought about cosplaying Korra, but after looking through the internet.. I changed my mind. I still would love to cosplay her, but I really don't want to read 'you are a racist' underneath my photos.

I get that painting yourself white or black may look ridiculous - but that's an entirely different thing.
Why is it racist if I simply happen to love a black character and just want to do this cosplay? Am I not rather showing my love for that character with my attempts?

To me skintone doesn't matter. Whether you're black, yellow, white, green, blue or red - why not do it? I have to admit, though, that sometimes it mayb look odd, but that's a different topic


I think its perfectly fine and not offensive at all for you to cosplay her. I don't think even using fake tan to subtly alter skintone is offensive. What I think people are bothered about is slathering on layers of makeup to fake a skintone, which can look like blackface and probably looks rubbish anyway.

The 'whitewashing' thing I've mostly come accross in Hollywood casting when a white actor/ predominantly white cast is cast to play a non-white role (a complaint that got raised with the casting of Avatar: The Last Airbender). What people are really bothered about there is the lack of visibility of non-white characters in mainstream media, which is not at all the same as whether you should cosplay someone or not.


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14 Feb 2013 - 19:0197313
Quote Carmina:

I think its perfectly fine and not offensive at all for you to cosplay her. I don't think even using fake tan to subtly alter skintone is offensive. What I think people are bothered about is slathering on layers of makeup to fake a skintone, which can look like blackface and probably looks rubbish anyway.

The 'whitewashing' thing I've mostly come accross in Hollywood casting when a white actor/ predominantly white cast is cast to play a non-white role (a complaint that got raised with the casting of Avatar: The Last Airbender). What people are really bothered about there is the lack of visibility of non-white characters in mainstream media, which is not at all the same as whether you should cosplay someone or not.


I'd have to use fake tan, because even in summer I am unfortunately really pale ^^;
But yeah, it might look rubbish - ah no, let me correct myself: I think it does

It makes 'sense' then, that I found these comments under Korra cosplays.


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14 Feb 2013 - 21:2697317
Quote Sley:


I'd have to use fake tan, because even in summer I am unfortunately really pale ^^;
But yeah, it might look rubbish - ah no, let me correct myself: I think it does


Fake tan away! Haha, Korra is the exact cosplay I was refering too when I said I will need to get a tan.

I honestly see no problem with Fake tanning or natural tanning, in fact if my natural tan doesn't work out then fake tan is the only other way to go if I want to portray her more accurately! Me being very pale myself.


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16 Feb 2013 - 21:5797355
Quote Karakulz:

Fake tan away! Haha, Korra is the exact cosplay I was refering too when I said I will need to get a tan.

I honestly see no problem with Fake tanning or natural tanning, in fact if my natural tan doesn't work out then fake tan is the only other way to go if I want to portray her more accurately! Me being very pale myself.


I've also seen cosplayers who just did her without any tan and it looked really great! I wondered actually, when you watch the series, sometimes her skin is lighter and sometimes it's darker - it totally confused me.


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17 Feb 2013 - 01:1997359
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. Or in my case, just when I thought I was safe to do my Kinkotsuman cosplay. With all the talk about blackface and racism in cosplay, I'm now back to square one, fretting about my Kinkotsuman cosplay, and the unfortunate implications about using black face paint to wear under a skull mask. Just for reference's sake, here's the topic I posted about it on the Ayacon forums, with said worries.

http://www.ayacon.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,150.0.html


17 Feb 2013 - 11:0997364
I just think, as long as you're passionate about it, then go and be whoever you want! You should never let your appearance or what other people might say get in the way of what you like doing.


17 Feb 2013 - 11:1897365
Quote Ashy-kun:
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. Or in my case, just when I thought I was safe to do my Kinkotsuman cosplay. With all the talk about blackface and racism in cosplay, I'm now back to square one, fretting about my Kinkotsuman cosplay, and the unfortunate implications about using black face paint to wear under a skull mask. Just for reference's sake, here's the topic I posted about it on the Ayacon forums, with said worries.

http://www.ayacon.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,150.0.html


You could also consider a nylon hood. Either part of a zentai suit, or even as simple as a stocking over your head. That would also hide your eyes (but be see-through for you) and disguise the contours of your face.

Added bonus of no racism worries, and its quicker to remove at the end of the day!


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17 Feb 2013 - 12:3697367
Considering you're doing a skull, I don't think you have to worry personally.


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17 Feb 2013 - 12:5197371
Well I said this on the Ayacon forums but I honestly think you're being overly anxious. I don't think its an issue if its obvious its a non-human thing you're cosplaying, which having the skull mask should make obvious.


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