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12 Jan 2009 - 20:409630
Body shapes/sizes height in cosplay?
Is it just me or is there a lot of discrimination toward people who aren’t in the category of a perfect slim figure in cosplay?
i know there’s a lot in genral life, there probably always will be but when it comes to doing a slightly more revealing costume am i the only person that shy's away worried about what other people might say? as a more curvy person i do worry about this a lot more, mainly why i do mainstream characters were i can hide up more although after cosplaying dante my friends would know how much it affected my confidence, thanks to some lovely comments from some. In the future though im dying to cosplay seras victoria and casey lynch, im also panicking somthing mad about a skit im doing at midlands, involving shorts, most people with think this is properly quite stupid, but im simply wondering if im the only person that’s like this in the British cosplay community.


12 Jan 2009 - 20:499632
i blame /cgl/ for this partly ¬¬ everyone on there besides the anorexics are "fatties" and if you protest against it, you become "jealous fatty" >.<

I think that people should be able to cosplay whoever they want because at the end of the day, it's their confidence/pride thats going to be affected if someone says something and if they had the confidence to pull it off in the first place, it shouldn't affect them too much.
eg. a girl who is a bit bigger/curvier cosplaying as Yoko must have a heap of confidence in the first place to go outside in a bikini/hotpants

People's size dont really bother me when it comes to cosplay; sure its fun to giggle at some of the ones on /cgl/ but thats just a giggle and i actually have some respect for people with that level of confidence


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12 Jan 2009 - 20:539633
Quote Teorau:
i blame /cgl/ for this partly ¬¬ everyone on there besides the anorexics are "fatties" and if you protest against it, you become "jealous fatty" >.<
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THIS.

4chan is the main knock at my confidence,i cant speak for anyone else in this matter but that and the /b/rothers who seem to think its funny to shout abuse at some one thats dared to go out of their house in a bikini top.



Last edited by Neko-Chan (12 Jan 2009 - 20:54)
12 Jan 2009 - 21:249635
I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum- women are mean to me because I'm thinner than most of them.

I get things like "holy crap your waist is freakishly small", "you're really skinny" and other general comments about how I must diet all the time ect.

But like everyone else, I'm just the way I am. I don't think I'm irregular, it's other people being dicks. It's also interesting how it's okay to point out that I'm thin, but if you tell someone that their fat then them and all their friends and passerbys will all hurt you.

Just my thoughts on how no matter what you'll never make anyone happy, so just go cosplay whatever. Seras victoria is curvy (though with weird ass skinny legs) so just do it.

Tab


12 Jan 2009 - 22:119638
I have problems with cosplaying characters, but for different reasons. I'd say I'm tall and thin, however I lack the ample bust most female characters have in the video game and anime world (I've said this SO many times as I've started a thread like this once before XD). Also most of the time I'm WAY too tall to cosplay the characters I pick which I worry about too, though it is mainly the lack of a chest which gets me down. After contemplating this problem myself I'd say I=ignore the stupid comments (I've had them too so I feel your pain) and show off your best assets. If you have great boobs get them out even if you haven't got a super thin waist. Not everyone's perfect and anyone who doesn't realise that isn't worth your time.

I agree with Tab too, I've been told I'm 'too tall' or 'too flat-chested' loads of times, but I wouldn't dare mention that someone is slightly large for the character they're cosplaying.

(On a completely unrelated topic you live in Bucks too? *high fives*)


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12 Jan 2009 - 22:149639
me and tab i think had a convo about this awhile back or something somewhat similar.

but tbh go for characters you feel confident in! I felt at october expo so uncomfortable in my torn up nel costume and felt hugely that my photos didnt take well because I had not as much confidence. Yet I am a size 8 with childlike wists, which you may think should bring confidence but it doesn't.

i think as long as you love your body/yourself then you can carry off any costume you want

(i'm like almost over a foot to tall to cosplay sailor moon but i dont really care :/ anyhow how many people are 4'8 anyhow!?)

edit: also yeh i dont understand how people are aloud to "OMGZ ur so skinny". shouldn't that not be aloud to be said either?



Last edited by angel aiko (12 Jan 2009 - 22:20)
12 Jan 2009 - 22:299640
I'm the same way, I can't help but think what people will say when I cosplay, but I think it's important to remember that a lot of the larger (and skinnier) cosplay bashing is normally directed towards people who perhaps don't pick the best costumes for their size or their costume isn't as well made as others. A lot of the time I'll see the same costumes used over and over again in "bad cosplay" threads and so many times it's just a case of maybe the costume didn't fit as well as it could, bad choice of material, or even just a bad picture.

I'm most definitely not as skinny as the characters I cosplay but most of the time I try to pick costumes that suit my figure.

I find if you make the costume well and do something that suits you then you'll find very few people will make comments about your size.
I did Seras for Amecon last year and got so many lovely comments from people like Sean and Rach. I generally don't go on the cosplay bashing sites but I looked a while ago and someone on here had posted my Seras costume on there. I had to laugh at the fact that the only thing they could say about it was that the shirt and the skirt colour didn't match (trying to dye two different materials the exact same colour is pretty difficult when you've only got a day to do it) and that it looked like I'd not made all of it. It's completely true and I've even got on my site what parts I made and what I modded.
They had then even said that my partner who was dressed as Dark Walter looked good.

Unfortunately people online generally don't care about what they say thanks to the anonymity on places like 4chan. Remember too that a lot of the people on there are from the US where elitism has just skyrocketed, it's fairly rare you'll get people here openly bitching and honestly they're not worth paying attention to if they're that kind of person. Chances are you'll never meet these people online who like to attack others so I'd go for it!


12 Jan 2009 - 22:319641
I do think about this a lot as I am a size 18-20. I always worry if people think I ruin the character that I cosplay because I'm too big.
When I was Chrono at the May 08 Expo at the end on Sunday, I was running towards my pick up when a bunch of guys shouted, 'Run fatty run!' ¬_¬

Thats why I try to avoid skimpy clothing and stick with male characters if I can



Last edited by Manga Girl (12 Jan 2009 - 22:32)
12 Jan 2009 - 22:359643
My main problem is the connotations with being thin= anorexia. I've even been called anorexic before. Way to be sensitive to people with medical conditions guys.

(AND I'M RIGHT WITHIN MY BODY MASS INDEX YOU ASS)

Though actually, my worst thing is when people ask me why I don't do girly sexy costumes all the time. Like at expo I was Ivy then Voldo and I got people like "it's such a shame when you cover it all up".

In my head that's like "Your costumes are only good when you have a pair of boobs attached. You are not allowed to be male because your female form is more pleasing to me."

Guh, I can tell this thread will be full of hate. I'm sure I will think about more things to moan about as it goes on. I appologise that you have to read about my moaney wingey self.

Tab


12 Jan 2009 - 22:439644
Quote SephNoir:
A lot of the time I'll see the same costumes used over and over again in "bad cosplay" threads and so many times it's just a case of maybe the costume didn't fit as well as it could, bad choice of material, or even just a bad picture.


This is SO true! Cheap satin is the worstest worst thing a larger lady can wear, especially if it is slightly too tight. What are cheap costumes that are less likely to fit almost always made of? Cheap satin.

Sorry, I'm in an epic battle against satin and all of it's evil. Sometimes it can look good (like Seph I believe had a duchess satin dress this expo that I admired) but only the really expensive stuff. Cosplayers are mainly students so it's less than likely that they will head to the expensive fabrics first.

Tab


12 Jan 2009 - 22:599646
i have so much to say now to so many people! ^^;

@Tab - you have a killer figure, how anyone can say your under weight i dont know. but men, or women, that think people who have figures to die for should wear next to nothing to please the public are so trapped in there own little world its unreal, i used to know someone who was very much like this, and complained when i came out of the house in a jumper and jeans as the day befor i had been wearing a v neck top and a fairly short skirt.

@shadow - lack of bust does suck, im sort of with you there, in proportion to the rest of me, my bust is pathetic, and im having to stuff a little to gain a good enough bust for sakuya. But there are always plunge bra's i belive they're called, and they work wonders ^^ i brought one for my yuffie costume, and it makes you look about half a cup bigger

@aiko - im about 4ft9. ^^; and i know about 4 people that are shorter than me and thats of the top of my head. xD but i agree, saying someones waist is to thin is also as spite full as calling some one fat.

@Seph - you certianly cosplayed seras of very well! ^^ i think i saw your costume in the hellsing thread on 4chan the other day actuly, i remeber tabs was on there to and not bad word was said about either ;D

@manga girl - ITS PEOPLE LIKE THIS! i know how you feel, when i was in the horificaly revealing dante costume, i was late to the masq and ended up running there, and some one also said that same comment to me, and i also do the same ^^'' i spose theres nothing to do about dick faces like them but to turn your nose up at how low they are?


12 Jan 2009 - 23:299647
Quote Neko-Chan:
@manga girl - ITS PEOPLE LIKE THIS! i know how you feel, when i was in the horificaly revealing dante costume, i was late to the masq and ended up running there, and some one also said that same comment to me, and i also do the same ^^'' i spose theres nothing to do about dick faces like them but to turn your nose up at how low they are?


*hugs* I try not to let these people put me off as they are really sad, the thing was these guys weren't in cosplay and yet they've got nothing else to do but yell these things


12 Jan 2009 - 23:559649
Quote Uber-Nerd:
Quote SephNoir:
A lot of the time I'll see the same costumes used over and over again in "bad cosplay" threads and so many times it's just a case of maybe the costume didn't fit as well as it could, bad choice of material, or even just a bad picture.


This is SO true! Cheap satin is the worstest worst thing a larger lady can wear, especially if it is slightly too tight. What are cheap costumes that are less likely to fit almost always made of? Cheap satin.

Sorry, I'm in an epic battle against satin and all of it's evil. Sometimes it can look good (like Seph I believe had a duchess satin dress this expo that I admired) but only the really expensive stuff. Cosplayers are mainly students so it's less than likely that they will head to the expensive fabrics first.

Tab


Thanks! I was really surprised how different duchess just felt to the cheap stuff. It was about 50 times thicker!

I know exactly what you mean about cheap satin. I can understand people will buy it because it's cheap but the stuff frays so much it's insane! Not to mention you spend the whole day blinding the poor people with flash photography.

Completely agree about tight satin too it rarely looks good on anyone simply for the wrinkles. People go on about anything made out of lycra being bad but it's all about fitting it right. People were actually shocked when I told them one of my costumes was made out of lycra because I wasn't bulging out of it everywhere.

It seems like it's a lot more common for stuff like this to happen at expos. I know it happens during the masq for Ame sometimes but that's just a small group of people from what others have seen.

@Neko
Thanks so much!
Aww it's a shame I missed it, I've not been on there in ages. XD



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13 Jan 2009 - 00:189652
Quote Teorau:
i blame /cgl/ for this partly ¬¬ everyone on there besides the anorexics are "fatties" and if you protest against it, you become "jealous fatty" >.<

Oh, /cgl/ is just the latest iteration of this (or at the very least, the one most specific to cosplay). There has never not been a time when women's perceived attractiveness was largely determined by body shapes, and every culture in the world has their own values that can and do vary widely. Go to any tribal civilisation and see what they consider to be beautiful - they'll almost invariably say that they prefer bigger women because plumpness is linked to good health, strength and fertility; being skinny suggests bodily weakness and poor health, which is detrimental to the survival of such civilisations.

In fact, here's a study for you (sadly I lack citations, but you'll get the idea from them anyway): a group of psychologists showed several photos of women, all of different body shapes, to an assortment of American men and asking them to judge which ones were most attractive. Predictably enough, they ranked the skinny-to-slender women the most attractive. The psychologists then showed the same photos to some Amazonian tribesmen and asked them the same question. Their responses were completely the opposite - they preferred the plumper girls with broad hips and shoulders. The interesting bit was that the psychologists asked the tribesmen why they didn't rate the slimmer women that highly. The tribesmen said that they thought the slim women looked very ill, probably had severe diarrhoea and were on the verge of death!

So, anyway, I'm kinda rambling at this stage now, but it is aggravating how pretty much nothing a woman does is right in terms of body shape - have a bit of pudge and you're morbidly obese, slim down and someone somewhere will say you need to eat a burger. Men don't get half this much hassle, I swear!

I quite like my proportions on their own - having been completely shapeless in my teens I now delight in having a 39" bust and 40" hips - but the women in my family mostly carry their weight around their stomachs. I have decent waist definition but a horrendous Buddha belly - it's not noticeable in my everyday clothes and most of my costumes because I'm a master at disguising it, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about showing off my stomach for Viola. I actually don't care about /cgl/ much, since I'm neither fantastically talented nor astoundingly awful at cosplay and thus of no interest to them, and it's kinda hard to get upset at a bunch of people who can't think of better insults than "lol ur fat" (or any insults at all, come to that). I'm mostly worried about coming back from Minami and having all the pictures my friend takes of me looking a bit blobby ^_^

Oh lord, long post is long...


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13 Jan 2009 - 00:379653
Quote SephNoir
I find if you make the costume well and do something that suits you then you'll find very few people will make comments about your size. [/quote:

I agree.
If someone makes an awesome costume, regardless of their size or looks, all im gonna care about is the fact its an awesome costume!

I hate elitists though who kick up a fuss if the costume is adapted or edited to suit the wearers body type a little better; whats wrong with extending a shirt and a skirt a little to cover up bits the user doesn't want on display?
Then again, most of the elitists i've encountered would kick up a fuss no matter what...


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Last edited by Teorau (13 Jan 2009 - 00:38)
13 Jan 2009 - 00:459655
Much as a thin person could not cosplay a fat person without a body suit, a fat person would not be able to cosplay a thin person as effectively as a thin person without some sort of aid (although I am unsure how to REMOVE mass in this way, I suppose corsets only help so much).

I would make a same comment about a white person cosplaying a black person or vice versa. There's just no way to do it without it looking racist. Stick to your body type for both simplicity and effectiveness.

Finally, if you're showing enough flesh for people to comment, then maybe that's something that should be looked at no matter your size.

PS. Oh, and if someone called you a 'fatty', they deserve a slap.



Last edited by Oz (13 Jan 2009 - 00:46)
13 Jan 2009 - 01:279658
Quote Oz:
Much as a thin person could not cosplay a fat person without a body suit, a fat person would not be able to cosplay a thin person as effectively as a thin person without some sort of aid (although I am unsure how to REMOVE mass in this way, I suppose corsets only help so much).

I would make a same comment about a white person cosplaying a black person or vice versa. There's just no way to do it without it looking racist. Stick to your body type for both simplicity and effectiveness.

Finally, if you're showing enough flesh for people to comment, then maybe that's something that should be looked at no matter your size.

PS. Oh, and if someone called you a 'fatty', they deserve a slap.


But sticking to body types means limiting yourself greatly especially if you're a larger woman. If we all did that then characters like Belldandy and The Big would've been out for me and a lot of other people wouldn't be able to do the characters they love. There are few larger women in anime and games unfortunately, even characters like Lulu and Tifa are only larger in terms of bust.
Even for guys sticking to a certain body type is difficult. Alucard is a lanky sod yet Sean did a great job with him.

Unfortunately no matter how it was originally intended to sound it's suggestions like sticking to characters with your body type that start some people off on "you shouldn't cosplay X because you're too fat/thin/tall/short etc".
I think as long as it suits you and you like the character then the size of you or the character shouldn't matter as long as you enjoy what you're doing.
In the end most of us do this as a hobby because we find it fun, I've got no problem if people want to stick to doing characters with the same body as them because that's what they feel comfortable with but I don't think it's fair when you see people telling others they can't do a character because their bodies don't match.


13 Jan 2009 - 08:309663
I am a believer in if you want to cosplay it then do it. However, do keep it within reason and set expectations for yourself.


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Last edited by nadesico81 (13 Jan 2009 - 08:31)
13 Jan 2009 - 10:469665
I've been 4chan-ed for not having boobs big enough to cosplay as I-No and for being "too pale"... I mean seriously... what?

It did knock my confidence a bit and Ive removed all the skimpy cosplays from my planned list... I dont want to feel uncomfortable cosplaying, its not what I signed up for!

Body types should be considered when choosing cosplays, but not 100% based on it! I mean if you're going to wear a stomach-revealing itsy bitsy teeny weeny cosplay... its probably best to avoid it if youre a bit larger, or dont get your boobs out if theyre only little xD but asides that, do what you want! RAH!


13 Jan 2009 - 11:199666
You know the strange thing... I know my size and I expected to be 4channed for being fat...but haven't...yet LMAO The worst comment I got before was that I was wearing New Rocks when I first did my Alucard (because he was a WIP still LOL) and I felt kinda "Well...it must be better than I first thought..."

Weird huh?

See, I tend to stick to the broad-chested men in cosplay. I'm wide and I know it. So what I try to do is stick to the larger men, even if they're only large in terms of muscle or height. Or characters whose personality I can pull off (or whose body-shape changes non-stop...thank you Hirano for that trick with Alucard being stick-thin one moment and quite broad at others...) For example I'm working on Angeal, who is clearly quite thin around the waist but also quite broad around the chest. Or Hellboy who is like pure muscle but whom I think I can pull off if I'm careful LOL

Generally, I'd say cosplay who you want but make the costume adhere to your body-shape.

I would say one thing. If you feel UNCOMFORTABLE in a costume, don't do it. Not for other people's sakes, but for your own. If you don't feel good about how you look in it then try to adapt it for yourself.


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13 Jan 2009 - 11:459670
going to make me sound very umpopular but i disagree im a believer in the figure you are aim for something more like you, its not discrimination in a way to hurt thier feeling but think about it if I did some one like simon from gurrun lagan it wouldnt work im 6,3 and i weight train every day so im more suited for bigger characters like basch from ff 12, and im not a very pretty lad so me doing a anime pretty boy would look out of place but i can do others, what you people seem to get at is the most popular chacters but getting griefed because people say you dont suit them try something you do suit and watch people envy you. Sounds harsh but thats what i believe but at the end of the day cosplay is about fun and you can do who ever you want just give it your best shot, no scenes in whining about other people cause in reality your whining at yourself


13 Jan 2009 - 11:529673
I tend to think it's less a matter of cosplaying characters who have your exact body type - because frankly, if we did that, almost nobody would be able to cosplay - and more a matter of choosing carefully the TYPE of costume you wear.

For example, there are some costumes that are really not likely to work on someone size 18-20 - Yoko's bikini, for one. But there are also plenty of costume designs that could be make to work flatteringly and beautifully on a person of that size. Add in some judicious use of body-shaping underwear and you can look fabulous. A costume like Belldandy or Lulu can (and has) look stunning on a larger lady if it's carefully made.

Despite reasonably sizeable boobs, I have a very masculine figure - broad shoulders, thick waist, slim hips. It means that, to my eyes, I look more than slightly ridiculous in, say, a 14-year-old magical girl costume. On the other hand, I can pull off a lot of fighting game costumes because I'm muscular, and even if the character isn't particularly so they tend to be more forgiving designs of someone with massive biceps. I avoid anything strapless unless the character is supposed to be intimidatingly Amazonian, because my shoulders and biceps inevitably make me look so.

It does mean that I've crossed off a few costumes that I'd have liked to do, just because I don't feel I could pull it off. But there are SO many designs out there that I'm sure anybody could find one that could be adapted to suit them.

In my eyes it just takes a little careful judgement as to whether you can reasonably achieve a costume or not. By no means should you let it stop you cosplaying.


13 Jan 2009 - 11:599675
Quote Manga Girl:
I do think about this a lot as I am a size 18-20. I always worry if people think I ruin the character that I cosplay because I'm too big.
When I was Chrono at the May 08 Expo at the end on Sunday, I was running towards my pick up when a bunch of guys shouted, 'Run fatty run!' ¬_¬

Thats why I try to avoid skimpy clothing and stick with male characters if I can


Aghhhh RAGE!!! I hate people like this you get it all the time at expo I try and suck it up and do it anyway but its so hard I really want to do vash from trigun but he is impossibly thin and ive put him and alucard off for a year but ive realised why I do cosplay and it made me feel better the cosplay community on large *no pun on us i swear* are really nice people and now im doing them both


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13 Jan 2009 - 12:149678
Quote Neko-Chan:
but im simply wondering if im the only person that’s like this in the British cosplay community.



God no! I say B****cks to people who make snide comments about people's weight/height/bust size etc. I think if you like your costume and feel comfortable in it (even if you've lowered the hem a little, or hidden what should have been an exposed stomach! - we've all done that!) People are the body type they are, we should all just be happy with it! (just i know I'm trying to loose my love handles, but that's not going to change me height or broad shoulders!)

I've been luck that I have found two costumes that suit me, LeBlanc (and being a size 12 I was VERY worried about the fact that my arse hung out the costume!) and Setsuka (tall, althetic and with some boobs) however I've also done Sailor Venus, who's 5'2 (??) and petite! but I love her so did it anyway!

Just be confident in who you are, it will shine through any costume!! And anyone that makes hurtful snide comments (anorexic/fat/flat chested/ugly) is just insecure and quite frankly jealous. You're a beautiful girl and no one should make you feel insecure!


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13 Jan 2009 - 12:289680
Quote Manga Girl:
I do think about this a lot as I am a size 18-20. I always worry if people think I ruin the character that I cosplay because I'm too big.
When I was Chrono at the May 08 Expo at the end on Sunday, I was running towards my pick up when a bunch of guys shouted, 'Run fatty run!' ¬_¬

Thats why I try to avoid skimpy clothing and stick with male characters if I can


MangaGirl, you are a great cosplayer and have so much guts! You pulled off Yami Yugi real good I always thought *hugs*

On topic now: I like to cosplay characters that suit my shape, (so usually this means relatively short males with wide eyes and lots of clothes I can hide my belly podge behind!) but I have no problem with people doing whatever they want. I've done Marik from YugiOh before, that involved totally changin my skin colour with theatrical paint, which was great and it really worked!
The real challenge for me is pulling it off effectively, but people are into cosplay for different reasons - some just want to do it for fun and I won't begrudge them that!


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