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20 Jan 2009 - 23:249924
This thread caused me to go diving through The Tub of Important Stuff to see if I could find a certain old notebook I had..

I found it. Dear god I was a sad, sad child XD

I had a handwritten list of every anime I'd seen, whether it was dubbed or subbed, bought or taped off TV.. this would've been.. '97? '98? There's a lot of D's there. and some question marks. I remember having great trouble remembering if I'd watched something subbed or dubbed, I generally didn't notice a difference at the time XD

There's even a few I don't remember having ever seen.. apparently I have o.o;


Bits and pieces on this list that I'm guessing I watched on C4 or the Scifi channel include:

Legend of the four kings
3x3 Eyes
Patlabor Movie 1
Wind of Amnesia
Venus Wars
Roujin Z
Akira
Appleseed
Ninja Scroll
The Guyver
Dominion Tank Police
Megazone 23

I had another list of "stuff people lent me" so might've been taped off TV but not sure:

Cobra
MD Geist
Battle Angel Alita
Vampire Hunter D

I don't even remember ever seeing the first two o.o;


20 Jan 2009 - 23:429926
Quote eva_fan:

So for me the thing that turned me into an anime fan was watching Neon Genesis Evangelion on VHS.

BTW: does anyone else remember the Japanese anime Samurai Pizza Cats?


It was the same for me about Evangelion! :O My fav show evah! >_<

And I do remember Samurai Pizza Cats, with Speedy Ceviche and Big Cheese?

I also remember watching "Warriors of the Wind", the butchered USA version of Nausicaa =/.


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21 Jan 2009 - 01:269928
Quote eva_fan:
And yet it's not really that more niche than Sci-fi, and lets face it Star Trek & Dr Who don't suffer too badly at the hands of TV scheduling now do they?

Actually, yes they do. Doctor Who is a massive ratings puller for the Beeb but when was the last time it was in a regular - as in, same time every week - time slot? Same with the recent Merlin series - it did great ratings considering it was up against The X-Factor every week, and it was the fifth most-watched show on iPlayer in 2008. Regular time slot every week? Nope.

The other big hitters aren't handled much better. Trek and Buffy were both kept on BBC2, which many people still don't consider a "real" channel, and Buffy got put in a daft tea-time slot where it had to be hacked to bits to make it suitable for broadcast. Last time I saw Trek on BBC2 it was in the wee hours of Saturday morning when only drunks and insomniacs (and cosplayers ) were likely to be watching. Lost? Two seasons on Channel 4, then it got whisked away to Sky and hasn't been seen anywhere else since. Heroes? It's got a regular time slot at least, but it's still on the lesser BBC2 - the highest its ratings have been in the most recent season was with the season premiere, where it got 3.81 million viewers, but it hasn't even been close to that since (and has barely scraped two million a few weeks). Battlestar Galactica? Never been shown on terrestrial TV at all!

Sci-fi and fantasy are still considered very, very niche by TV programmers and Joe Public, so they're the first things to get punted around the schedules when the latest reality TV show needs a slot. And don't kid yourself that anime is "no more niche" than Western telefantasy - unless you've got something like Pokemon that can be shoved in a kids' TV slot and forgotten about, programmers don't tend to know how to respond to it or how to promote it, not to mention that "mainstream" sci-fi fans in general not only look down on anime fans, but see it as something which is somehow intruding on their space (and trust me, I'm in a position to know all about this first-hand).

Jonathan Clements has written an excellent essay on anime and TV programming that I really would recommend to everyone (I'd also recommend the rest of his blog, and his book of the same name, because it is both informative and entertaining, but that's a side note).

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..and then one channel randomly started showing Moldiver. That was odd.

That was The Sci-Fi Channel, wasn't it? They did seem to pick up a load of Pioneer licenses at some point, I remember them having Tenchi Muyo and possibly Armitage III at one point as well as Moldiver (all of which they then cheerfully cut to pieces).

Even before that, Paramount were showing Project A-Ko, Cyber City and The Guyver. Then they became a comedy channel and that was the end of that.

Quote nert:
I had another list of "stuff people lent me" so might've been taped off TV but not sure:

Cobra
MD Geist
Battle Angel Alita
Vampire Hunter D

I don't even remember ever seeing the first two o.o;

You've probably just suppressed the memory of MD Geist. It's all kinds of dreadful XD

I have a DVD copy here that I am very sure I will never even be able to give away. I may wrap it up and shove it in a lucky dip some day as a booby prize, along with The Humanoid and World of Narue...

Space Adventure Cobra got a DVD release a few months back, though, and it's ace. You should watch it again.


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21 Jan 2009 - 08:419931
Cobra is really good! It was on terrestrial TV at 6:30 in the morning in Peru. There is a movie also, that I think is a summary of the series.

@Sillabub: I'm not sure how it is in UK, but I cank talk about anime in peruvian television. In Peru they showed Evangelion on terrestrial TV and it was cancelled due to low rating . They showed Ranma 1/2 completely, but a lot of people (parents) complained that it could confuse the kids. Dragon Ball has been accused of satanic as well, but they are still airing it. And of course many mainstreams anime are airing as well. I think the success of Saint Seiya, Captain Tsubasa, Dragon Ball and others have helped a little. But still in terrestrial television: anime = cartoons for kids.


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21 Jan 2009 - 10:099932
Quote Sillabub:
not to mention that "mainstream" sci-fi fans in general not only look down on anime fans, but see it as something which is somehow intruding on their space (and trust me, I'm in a position to know all about this first-hand).
Well given who you work for, i guess you'd know.

And yet my own experiences tell me otherwise. I've attended (and been involved in running) cross-platform conventions, where most of the convention goers are accepting of anime fans, even if it's not 'their thing'.

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Quote eva_fan:
And yet it's not really that more niche than Sci-fi, and lets face it Star Trek & Dr Who don't suffer too badly at the hands of TV scheduling now do they?

Actually, yes they do. Doctor Who is a massive ratings puller for the Beeb but when was the last time it was in a regular - as in, same time every week - time slot?

The other big hitters aren't handled much better. Trek and Buffy were both kept on BBC2, which many people still don't consider a "real" channel, and Buffy got put in a daft tea-time slot where it had to be hacked to bits to make it suitable for broadcast. Last time I saw Trek on BBC2 it was in the wee hours of Saturday morning when only drunks and insomniacs (and cosplayers ) were likely to be watching.

Well that comment was intended as a sarcastic joke, though i guess when you read it back it doesn't come across too well (oops).

Ok so BBC2 is often used as a dumping ground for shows the BBC isn't really sure what to do with. And sure Buffy was heavy cut at times (which is why it got repeated 11pm on friday nights), and yes the're not showing Star Trek anymore, but the point is they were shown in that 6:45pm slot, and were exposed to new audiences because of it.

Anime still gets a bum deal even when there are an ever growing number of fans.


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21 Jan 2009 - 22:429946
A story I'm not sure is true but is quite well known and about the misunderstanding of anime. It goes like this:

Someone from ADV was talking to someone from Channel 5 about airing some stuff. EVA was one of the titles involved. The executive of the company sat down to watch it... with his young daughter. He was very upset with it to say the least. I don't think he ever wanted anything with company or anime again.


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22 Jan 2009 - 16:369972
I think the major problem is the fact that too many people still see animé as 'for kids' because it is a cartoon.
That is possibly the biggest misconception anyone can make.. seeing a form of media as a genre. It's like thinking that all books are for adult men, or all websites are for spotty teens, or all films are for housewives...
Cartoons have always had a great stigma for being associated with childlike things in the UK, and in America.
Other places, like Czechoslovakia for instance, have produced animations even as early as the end of the nineteenth century intended for an adult audience, and don't have such a stigma surrounding it. Obviously Japan is one of these countries. Ours is not so much, as proven by the afore-mentioned Channel 5 guy who assumed it would be okay to watch Eva with his young daughter simply because it was a 'cartoon'.
I love animation, in all it's forms. This is one thing that irked me in the school system of this country, having parents and teachers constantly trying to stop me from aiming to have such a 'childish' career as an animator :/

Luckily, the fact that animé is becoming such a strong force in the UK, and the fact that the Western mainstream DVD market is becoming more open to 'alternative' international animation such as 'Persepolis' (which is amazing) is slowly changing this misconception about animation.


22 Jan 2009 - 23:019985
Quote Millenia:
I think the major problem is the fact that too many people still see animé as 'for kids' because it is a cartoon.
That is possibly the biggest misconception anyone can make.. seeing a form of media as a genre. It's like thinking that all books are for adult men, or all websites are for spotty teens, or all films are for housewives...
Cartoons have always had a great stigma for being associated with childlike things in the UK, and in America.
Other places, like Czechoslovakia for instance, have produced animations even as early as the end of the nineteenth century intended for an adult audience, and don't have such a stigma surrounding it. Obviously Japan is one of these countries. Ours is not so much, as proven by the afore-mentioned Channel 5 guy who assumed it would be okay to watch Eva with his young daughter simply because it was a 'cartoon'.
I love animation, in all it's forms. This is one thing that irked me in the school system of this country, having parents and teachers constantly trying to stop me from aiming to have such a 'childish' career as an animator :/

Luckily, the fact that animé is becoming such a strong force in the UK, and the fact that the Western mainstream DVD market is becoming more open to 'alternative' international animation such as 'Persepolis' (which is amazing) is slowly changing this misconception about animation.


There is, of course, the opposite problem. There are a great deal of people who dealt with Urotsukidoji as their first animé, thereby making them think that all animé is hentai...


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23 Jan 2009 - 10:519990
Quote eva_fan:


BTW: does anyone else remember the Japanese anime Samurai Pizza Cats?


Ah yes a cult classic. Too bad no one hold the rights to it.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1240


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23 Jan 2009 - 12:049994
did anyone about 8 years ago use to watch the sci-fi channel on a saturday morning for evangelion and nadesico?

i sure i know i did!

also since the early 90's i have owned street fighter II (animated not the vin diselness) and Laputa Castle in the sky, aswell as samurai pizza cats o.O on video.

also remember while i was at junior school (late 90's) sitting up with my dad watching Akira, Bubblegum Crisis and Dominion Tank Police on sci-fi channel.

sailor moon on foxkids ftw though hated it when it moved to GMTV :/

and tenchi muyo on cartoon network <3 though i remember it being in a bizarre order so it made no sense at all.

actually have to say when i was first introduced to anime i always thought it was just for adults until i found sailor moon lol. But i know of a certain tv channel that a friend of mine works for that is still fighting to have more anime on it/or some at all. The american equivalent has anime on it but ours doesnt due to the lack of intrest of uk public. though when they did do test runs it was at 3am and naruto :/



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23 Jan 2009 - 13:059996
Quote angel aiko:
did anyone about 8 years ago use to watch the sci-fi channel on a saturday morning for evangelion and nadesico?


Yes I did. I now absolutely love Nadesico and want to cosplay from it.

I did also used to cath the C4 late night films and anime. I ended up seeing 3x3 eyes and thought it was cool. I did see Akira as well but wasn't that fond of it.


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23 Jan 2009 - 13:3510002
Quote Sephirayne:
Quote angel aiko:
did anyone about 8 years ago use to watch the sci-fi channel on a saturday morning for evangelion and nadesico?


Yes I did. I now absolutely love Nadesico and want to cosplay from it.

I did also used to cath the C4 late night films and anime. I ended up seeing 3x3 eyes and thought it was cool. I did see Akira as well but wasn't that fond of it.


3x3 eyes is so underated its got everything ^.^ lol Yakumo worked in an okama bar ^.^ now thaaares a job lol


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23 Jan 2009 - 15:5610013
Quote sjbonnar:


There is, of course, the opposite problem. There are a great deal of people who dealt with Urotsukidoji as their first animé, thereby making them think that all animé is hentai...

Yes of course, like my parents' initial reaction to my animé watching habit. They had read an article by one particularly uncultured journalist for The Times, which had offhandedly referred to all animé as 'cartoon pornography', and as such, they assumed I was getting into something that was somehow dirty.
Again, though, it was a result of the common opinion that 'something that is a cartoon that ISN'T for kids HAS to be dirty and pornographic' - another rapid, un-thought-out conclusion that many people (my parents sadly at the time included) come to! Luckily, now that my parents know more about animé as a media form and not a genre, actually like it!


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