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06 Jan 2009 - 17:479235
you know what really rubs my rhubarb?
ok gun prop rules at mid/major cons, ok heres the thing im cosplaying vash the stampede for fuyucon 09 hopefully and am currently making the gun (buying the outfit because I personally think im slightly large for vash and dont want to put in all the effort and look kinda dumb O_o i know) but im making the gun and have just found out that you probably wont be able to have guns that are too realistic, which i understand but wasnt the orange cap rule in place? this really sucks i mean it wont be bad for outside the con but its mostly taking place in a hotel and is going to be chilly O_o aghhh I dont know *sigh*

sorry for ranting - luke


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07 Jan 2009 - 12:189278
Its really a two way street
You make a good point and yes, I agree with you on your issue to a certain point.

Under UK law, you cannot be in a costume with an Airsoft or Realistic looking weapon to include all Airsoft, model guns, toy guns etc.

However, you can carry the above items if you are part of licensed Theater troop, costume guild or licensed organization like the Star Warriors or the 501st.

These rules are in place to keep the public from freaking out when they see what they perceive to be a real looking weapon.

However, the above law is very loosely enforced for the most part. Many times the police do not even know the law exists. I am a licensed member of one of the above organizations, which I will not name here. We are required to read and sign a document that is an over view of the UK law.

However, things in the USA are quite a bit different.

For those that do not know ALL American Police are armed with a handgun. This is all thanks to our Second Amendment, which give us the right to bear arms. Since every American knows that someday, the King of England could come back and try to take our land! *rolls eyes* so yes many people in the states are armed myself included when I am home in New Hampshire.

Under Federal Law in the USA. You can have keep and carry a fake gun without a permit as long as it has a 1/2 inch orange blaze color tip on the gun. However, local laws do very and some are stricter than others are depending on the State and city you are in.

I work as Convention Security for Anime Boston. We had an issue last year where a Solid Snake Cosplayer was outside of the convention center having a photoshoot with a very real looking gun.

Someone freaked out and called the Boston Police Department. The Police showed up and the cosplayers did the one thing you should NEVER do when confronted by American Police. They ran away and were chased down at Gun Point and arrested.

Of course the police had no idea the gun was NOT real, the cosplayers could of been shot. Thankfully, the police used considerable restraint that day.

The interesting part was the Local FOX TV station was on site filming the convention when all this happened. They ran an interesting story on the 10pm News that night about the incident.

In the end, it was somewhat funny to see Solid Snake being handcuffed and put in the back of a Police car. I guess he was not stealthy enough or did not have a cardboard box to hide under.

I hope this helps you understand why many Conventions have these rules. They are for your safety, many times it is NOT the convention that makes the rules it might be the venue or hotel that wants a very aggressive weapons policy. However, there are ways to make a good-looking weapon from normal every day materials that will be legal under the law.

Cheers


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Last edited by nadesico81 (07 Jan 2009 - 12:23)
07 Jan 2009 - 14:169286
taken on board ^.^ but its still kinda gay that what amounts to a pretty much closed convention to the public has these rules, im assuming the orange cap/stripe rule is in place and worse comes to worst I only take photos outside, fuyucon are understanding and im sure they will let me keep it holstered ^^ . As to the whole american thing, Yankeeland is the sort of place that has mass hysteria for the slightest thing, granted they have more reason to be but when comparing the cons from uk to usa there are to many variables.

Thanks for your added rant ^^


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:209289
Quote ryukredapples:
taken on board ^.^ but its still kinda gay that what amounts to a pretty much closed convention to the public has these rules, im assuming the orange cap/stripe rule is in place and worse comes to worst I only take photos outside, fuyucon are understanding and im sure they will let me keep it holstered ^^ . As to the whole american thing, Yankeeland is the sort of place that has mass hysteria for the slightest thing, granted they have more reason to be but when comparing the cons from uk to usa there are to many variables.

Thanks for your added rant ^^


Wow...political incorrectness at it's greatest. A crossplayer that uses gay as a negative term? That's ridiculous TBH.

I tell you what, go ahead and carry realistic looking firearms in public, considering that a guy was shot by the police for carrying a table leg that seemed to resemble a shotgun. Have fun with that. The rules are there for a reason and are usually relaxed for masquerades/photoshoots etc. as long as you're clever.


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:239290
I think a certain amount of over political correctnes is in play here ^^ besides gay means happy its only become coloquial to homosexuality in the past few decades, sexuality dosent always require names, i know of none of my gay friends who get freaked out when using the word in that context ^.^

and I will play it out and see what happens, im thinking vash's gun is a little more extravagant so I will have to keep my thingers crossed, im not actually walking the streets with it ^.^ just outside the cons doors whatever cons are never that large on the outside ^.^


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:349291
Good luck to you and do take care when carrying fake weapons in public. Be sure to use some common sense when cosplaying.

If it is any consolation the weapon, rules at Japanese events are even stricter then here or in the USA.


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:379292
Quote nadesico81:
Good luck to you and do take care when carrying fake weapons in public. Be sure to use some common sense when cosplaying.

If it is any consolation the weapon, rules at Japanese events are even stricter then here or in the USA.


hey thanks alot ^.^ you was really informative ive only been to one american con and it was like 3 years ago nice to see it hasnt dulled its urgency on most things ^.^ but ive never taken guns before so im not aware of all the rules, if you hear anything informative about british cons please take the time to let me know ^^

luke.


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:379293
Quote ryukredapples:
I think a certain amount of over political correctnes is in play here ^^ besides gay means happy its only become coloquial to homosexuality in the past few decades, sexuality dosent always require names, i know of none of my gay friends who get freaked out when using the word in that context ^.^

and I will play it out and see what happens, im thinking vash's gun is a little more extravagant so I will have to keep my thingers crossed, im not actually walking the streets with it ^.^ just outside the cons doors whatever cons are never that large on the outside ^.^


Actually, I'm generally anti-PC because it goes over the top. But I know for sure that this offends a lot of homosexual people that I know...several of whom will be on this board.


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:399294
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote ryukredapples:
I think a certain amount of over political correctnes is in play here ^^ besides gay means happy its only become coloquial to homosexuality in the past few decades, sexuality dosent always require names, i know of none of my gay friends who get freaked out when using the word in that context ^.^

and I will play it out and see what happens, im thinking vash's gun is a little more extravagant so I will have to keep my thingers crossed, im not actually walking the streets with it ^.^ just outside the cons doors whatever cons are never that large on the outside ^.^


Actually, I'm generally anti-PC because it goes over the top. But I know for sure that this offends a lot of homosexual people that I know...several of whom will be on this board.


if they get offended i will of course apologise ^.^ but im afraid your taking it slightly to seriously, i ment no offense simply a verbal slight of hand i would assume people on here will be mature enough to understand that or i would hope ^^ and as i say apologise will be forthcoming if the later is called into question ^.^

thanks for your input


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07 Jan 2009 - 14:589300
THought I better just put a note in, when I cosplayed as Kiriyama I made a gun for the costume, up close it looked as fake as can be, but a few paces away and you couldn't really tell. Obviously I didn't want to get shot at or arrested when going on public transport and what-not so I just wrapped it up in a bin bag (Yeah not suspicious at all ) and carried it under my arm until I got to the Expo centre. Took it out when I got there, no one batted an eyelid, not even security for the Excel centre and this was while wandering about normally and stuff - not everyone there was there for the Expo and I don't think I got looked at twice.

So, too be honest, as long as its obvious you're wearing a costume - and since you're going as Vash which I would class as being very obviously a costume (rather than say a t-shirt and trousers - me and my uni-buddies almost got arrested for a film project which had a gun in and the outfits weren't obviously costumes, so a member of the public *did* call the police on us) - I don't think people would really mind or think that it is a real gun. Normally people are generally very understanding, so I would say don't worry about it, its probably fine, if someone asks to check it or for you to put it away, do so, but don't let it worry you.


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:019301
Quote ryukredapples:
Quote nadesico81:
Good luck to you and do take care when carrying fake weapons in public. Be sure to use some common sense when cosplaying.

If it is any consolation the weapon, rules at Japanese events are even stricter then here or in the USA.


hey thanks alot ^.^ you was really informative ive only been to one american con and it was like 3 years ago nice to see it hasnt dulled its urgency on most things ^.^ but ive never taken guns before so im not aware of all the rules, if you hear anything informative about british cons please take the time to let me know ^^

luke.


When I cosplay from UNIT I get alot of people that ask me why I have a M16-A1 Rifle even though its clad in BRIGHT red tape and paint indicateing its a deactivated rifle but not every one knows that.

I have cosplayed in alot of diffrent country and the UK has to most losse weapon rules at events. In Japan ALL weapons real, fake or other wise are BANNED no questions asked. You can't even have a propt that is biger then a Lemon.

The Japanese are very jumpey about any thing weapons or war for the most part.


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Last edited by nadesico81 (07 Jan 2009 - 15:12)
07 Jan 2009 - 15:029302
Quote Monkey:
THought I better just put a note in, when I cosplayed as Kiriyama I made a gun for the costume, up close it looked as fake as can be, but a few paces away and you couldn't really tell. Obviously I didn't want to get shot at or arrested when going on public transport and what-not so I just wrapped it up in a bin bag (Yeah not suspicious at all ) and carried it under my arm until I got to the Expo centre. Took it out when I got there, no one batted an eyelid, not even security for the Excel centre and this was while wandering about normally and stuff - not everyone there was there for the Expo and I don't think I got looked at twice.

So, too be honest, as long as its obvious you're wearing a costume - and since you're going as Vash which I would class as being very obviously a costume (rather than say a t-shirt and trousers - me and my uni-buddies almost got arrested for a film project which had a gun in and the outfits weren't obviously costumes, so a member of the public *did* call the police on us) - I don't think people would really mind or think that it is a real gun. Normally people are generally very understanding, so I would say don't worry about it, its probably fine, if someone asks to check it or for you to put it away, do so, but don't let it worry you.


thanks for the personal experience great info especially from expo ^.^ the whole costume thing came into my mind to i guess in just a worrier thanks for your help you have actually been a good help. (sorry for your nearly getting arrested)

Luke.


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:059303
Lol, actually it turned into a bit of a laugh, a momentary "Oh god, Oh god" moment, and then it turned out one of the guys in our group knew the two police officers coming towards us and said 'Hi'. I think they quickly realised we meant no harm and happily let us on our way, just said we had to find a different location to film in. So it wasn't really that bad, haha.


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:109306
Quote Monkey:
Lol, actually it turned into a bit of a laugh, a momentary "Oh god, Oh god" moment, and then it turned out one of the guys in our group knew the two police officers coming towards us and said 'Hi'. I think they quickly realised we meant no harm and happily let us on our way, just said we had to find a different location to film in. So it wasn't really that bad, haha.


you preach to the choir here i did media for 2 years ^^ in that time I punched a vicar, broke a car window, smashed 2 monitors, spilled tizer in the avid suite *12 grand worth mind* and fell out with no less than 30,000 people but probably closer to 10 O_o though you have me on police activity ^.^ i was always very carefull of fuzz :0


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:129307
PLZ see my above post. For some reason my PC posted a blank post. ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Tizer you say? Quite possible the BEST British Soda out there! You were Media you mentioned above? If so please PM me so we can talk some more.


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:179308
Quote nadesico81:
PLZ see my above post. For some reason my PC posted a blank post. ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Tizer you say? Quite possible the BEST British Soda out there! You were Media you mentioned above? If so please PM me so we can talk some more.


no way O_o ive been to 5 uk cons, 1 usa, 1 small french but weapons are always pretty lose but i couldnt handle banning completely that sucks so there is a down side to japan

(desert punk looks awesome man real smooth)


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:259309
Thanks I was alot of fun to where and make. I sent you a PM.

Cheers


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16 Feb 2009 - 21:0810830
my costumes usually have some sort of weaponry with them, but Ill never do anything with a rifle because of the restrictions. But I keep my weapons holstered at all times unless photos are being taken, hasn't caused me any trouble and the police at London Expo in October said nothing to my MGS 3 group, despite being clad in some of most "real" looking costumes there.

Alot of it is about being smart with it, for example planning shoots in private or hidden areas etc.


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