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07 Jan 2009 - 17:259323
hmmm, well thats rather annoying! well the shoot would only take a day, so it wont take too long, and if you have existing costumes you can wear then they'll be just as good, ive seen some of them and they look amazing!
its obviously up to you if you can find the time, but ill do what i can to help make it as easy as possible!
Alex


07 Jan 2009 - 17:369325
This sounds awesome, it's a lovely idea! I'd love to be able to do it! ^-^


07 Jan 2009 - 21:549346
One thing that would probably be good to bring up would be copyright issues and stuff.

I would like to do this, and I want it as fair as possible. My main issue is the fact that you would be printing this in a book, and thus at somepoint you'll make profit out of it. Therefore there may be issues when it comes to royalties and such, and it would almost be impossible to calculate so everyone gets a fair deal.

Maybe something like having both parties having the copyright. So you can get the images printed in a book, and we retain a set of full resolution images so that we can print them also, maybe for things like portfolio prints ect.

Does that sound like a good idea to you at all? I know you said that we'd get photo's for ourselves, but it was never stated the quality of the photos so I am curious as to how that would work.

Sorry, this is normally the type of thing I would save for a PM, but if we're all planning to take part then we should all be discussing legal rights and such so that everything is equal in the end.

Tab


07 Jan 2009 - 22:169347
Quote Uber-Nerd:
One thing that would probably be good to bring up would be copyright issues and stuff.

I would like to do this, and I want it as fair as possible. My main issue is the fact that you would be printing this in a book, and thus at somepoint you'll make profit out of it. Therefore there may be issues when it comes to royalties and such, and it would almost be impossible to calculate so everyone gets a fair deal.

Maybe something like having both parties having the copyright. So you can get the images printed in a book, and we retain a set of full resolution images so that we can print them also, maybe for things like portfolio prints ect.

Does that sound like a good idea to you at all? I know you said that we'd get photo's for ourselves, but it was never stated the quality of the photos so I am curious as to how that would work.

Sorry, this is normally the type of thing I would save for a PM, but if we're all planning to take part then we should all be discussing legal rights and such so that everything is equal in the end.

Tab


*law degree comes in handy finally*

I was going to wait until a shoot was confirmed before bringing this up, but you are completely correct. I think the only real way to do this fairly is for both the tog and the model to retain copyright.


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07 Jan 2009 - 22:359350
well, i guess as it has been brought up, i should explain the way all this will be done! What i propose is that any models who pose for me will be entitled to a dvd of digital images and a CD containing the 2 full resolution images that i will use. (each image is over 300mb in size!) If requested, i can hand print the final images myself and post them for the price of the printing, to give you an example i can print a professional A1 print for only £12,(i can print up to A0) you'd pay over £35 at kodak or somewhere like that. Also, if and when the book is published, anyone credited will be entitled to a copy. (groups will recieve one between them)
If im honest, i dont think ill make any money from the book as it'll be most likely my first publication, (im working on another project at the moment as well) but i will attempt to make it as fair as possible, though i wish to retain copyright of the images.
obviously this is up for discussion, but i think you'll agree that this is fair for all parties concerned!


07 Jan 2009 - 22:369351
Glad to see we're on the same page! (And that I'm not being the forum dick- I'm so pleased not to be the forum dick!)

I publish a comic, so I know how awkward copyright stuff can get. This kind of plan needs a full contract for anyone involved to protect everyone (including the photographer!) if things go wrong

Tab

Edited because cosplay island doesn't tell you if someone else has posted-

Great to see that we're on the same page then as far as this is concerned, though I am curious as to why you want to retain the copyright to the images- it's not like we will publish it in a book that rivals your own.

There are also some iffy areas, such as if you have copyright of the images then you can do anything like make posters of a costume that say I have made, and sell those for profit. It needs to be dictated where you are allowed to print the images as well.

(please note that I am not saying that you will do that, just that we need a contract to make sure that bad things cannot occur for peace of mind for all parties involved)



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07 Jan 2009 - 22:389352
oooh and one other thing, it may be a possibility that anyone interested in using the work in portfolio's or for personal promotion or exhibition could be granted a creative commons license with my permission, but if people are interested in that we can discuss and come to an agreement!
Alex


07 Jan 2009 - 22:419353
Quote Uber-Nerd:
Glad to see we're on the same page! (And that I'm not being the forum dick- I'm so pleased not to be the forum dick!)

I publish a comic, so I know how awkward copyright stuff can get. This kind of plan needs a full contract for anyone involved to protect everyone (including the photographer!) if things go wrong

Tab

Not a problem Tab, obviously everyone has to be protected, and i have my own model release forms that will explain everything, if you wish i can email you a copy at some point.
Alex



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07 Jan 2009 - 22:449354
Guh, sorry, this posting thing is getting confusing.

Yes, please email me the form, I'd like to see the conditions. Send it to

Thanks-

Tab


07 Jan 2009 - 23:069355
Ditto please to ^_^

Also, has it been mentioned where this would be taking place? As I'm quite curious ^_^


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08 Jan 2009 - 00:149359
I don't think I will be taking part. The model release form grants no rights whatsoever, and considering that we would be doing this for you for free that's not something I'm willing to do.

Tab


08 Jan 2009 - 00:319360
actually if you read it, you can see that it grants rights to an Assign, i.e someone given permission to use the images for their own use, which would include yourself if i were to assign you a creative commons license. with that you could use the images how you wished as long as i was credited with the original image. This is a standard release form and it can be discussed, but i think you'll find that if you have ever had any photo's taken at a convention or such, you would have no rights whatsoever to the image. i wont be making mega bucks from this work and if i were ever to make any money, it would be only to pay back the cost of creating the piece in the first place, i.e film, printing, development, petrol etc etc. A fully professional photoshoot with everything i'm offering would cost well in excess of 400 to 600 pounds in a normal studio so i feel im being fair as i possibly can be. with regards to your costume, i couldn't make a poster or advertise your costume as you own the creative licenses to that as you made it. i would only own the image. either way it is up to you and anyone else entirely if they wish to participate, but i must stress that this will be a fun experience that will give you and many other cosplayers the opportunity to show others how enjoyable cosplaying is!i doubt its going to be a major commercial success, but it'll be a great project and hopefully will encourage others to get involved!

Alex


08 Jan 2009 - 00:559361
One of my costumes done proffessionally would be in the region of several grand. And that's not including the cost of me wearing it and travel, ect.

I think it's us that are doing you a service because you need us to make your book, we could hire any photographer to take pictures of us. That's why this should be kept as equal as possible.

I am curious as to what you feel that you would loose if you gave each cosplayer the right to the images. If that is explained more fully to me I think I would understand why you would instead prefer to use the rights to Assign system.

Tab


08 Jan 2009 - 01:069363
i didnt say you werent helping, but then again i am offering you a service too, its an opportunity to have a free professional shoot. if i gave you full rights to the image, you could exhibit it, sell it, publish it, alter it, and market it in any way you felt. in photography, the model's don't own the images, they merely feature in them for a fee or service, in my case, the fee to you is a free DVD of all your images, a copy of the 2 large images that will appear in the book and prints if you request, the shoot itself, and professional makeup, and also a copy of the book and a credit in it. also a creative commons license can be granted pending a discussion regarding what you wish to use the image for. if you are not happy with those terms then i fully respect your decision not to participate. though i think they are as fair as they can be.
Best wishes,
Alex


08 Jan 2009 - 01:449364
Quote Arrekkusuphotography:
Hello to all the cosplayers here and all the other members on the forum, and thanks for taking the time to have a look at my thread! My name is Alex Vann and I am finishing my final year of university in Lincoln. Im studying photography and as part of my final year i am compliling a book all about cosplay! I am making a part documentary- part portraiture book similar to the style of FRUITS, and hope to publish it after university. The style of the book will be to photograph cosplayers in and out of costume, showing them as their normal selves and as their alter-ego in full costume. I know it may sound a bit unnerving to some to be photographed out of costume, but the aim of the book is to show how when you cosplay, you can transform yourself from your normal self, to your favourite character from any Anime, Manga comic or computer game. I am looking for volounteers willing to allow me to professionally photograph them both in, and out of costume, free of charge. Any volounteers will be given a copy of the images to keep for themselves as well. So, if you fancy a free photoshoot, complete with full professional makeup if required, please contact me either on here or at

Your help is much appreciated!
Thanks a lot!
Alex Vann


i emailed you you so hope you reply soon ^^


08 Jan 2009 - 04:509372
I would love to do this but my location would be a bit of a prob. I'm based in Manchester.


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08 Jan 2009 - 20:369424
I'm quite tempted by it. The only thing I would like permission to use images for would be my personal social networking sites and things like DeviantArt etc. I would clearly credit you on all of these things and have done so with each photographer I've worked with.

I like the idea of having professional makeup done before a studio shoot with one of my costumes. And the ones without would be...scary LMAO

Still, I'm likely to be interested but I think I'd have to sort out the creative commons licence before the shoot. I always get a bit cautious with copyright as I studied Entertainment Law and know how dodgy this area can be LOL

I think it sounds ace to be honest ^_^


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15 Jan 2009 - 17:299788
Volounteers for cosplay book
Thanks to everyone who has volunteered to pose for me, the response was awesome! Im really glad you are all interested in my project! Sorry i haven't been able to answer all your messages and email's but i've had a lot of them to go through!

I will be shooting this project until April but I would love to get started as soon as possible, and as you by know know my studio is in Lincoln, which i know is not the easiest place to get to, but if accommodation is needed I can put you up for the night!Please contact me as soon as possible to arrange your shoot, groups are welcome and i look forward to seeing you all!

My phone number is 01522534772
My email is

Thanks again!
Alex


15 Jan 2009 - 22:259795
Why make a second thread? You could have replied to your first.


15 Jan 2009 - 22:309797
Merged threads. You can also edit your information into the first post on here using the edit function.


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16 Jan 2009 - 02:569798
i know,i posted a new thread so everyone could see i was arranging dates rather than looking for volunteers. is there a way to change it back as some of my volunteers might not look here.
Alex


16 Jan 2009 - 14:009804
Quote Arrekkusuphotography:
i know,i posted a new thread so everyone could see i was arranging dates rather than looking for volunteers. is there a way to change it back as some of my volunteers might not look here.
Alex


Why would people not come back here? Especially when several of them asked questions. When you're editing your first post, change the title to include (UPDATED) or something.


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29 Jan 2009 - 19:1010219
id be interested, only 30minutes or so away from lincoln too :3


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