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11 Dec 2008 - 14:038550
Conventions are shareing their banned list's with other events
Continuing in my thought provoking posts today…


I found out a tib bit of very interesting and scary info about certain conventions that share there “Banned attendee list” with other events.

The reason why I am posting this is that my friend got a very interesting email today form an event stating he was banned. He just registered got confirmed and paid for the event, not too long before receiving this email. He emailed me asking for my opnion and help with this matter.

This person to my knowledge has done nothing wrong. He holds a rather high security clearance with a government organization. I would not be writing this if I did not 100% trust the integrity of this person in question.

The names of the person involved and the convention have been removed for privacy reasons and replaced with XXX's.


“Dear Mr XXXXXX

Your name user name, badge name and email has come up on banned list shared between fellow Anime events.

Your conduct at past conventions has been questionable to say the least. It is the responsibility of XXXXX convention to ensure, we have a problem free event that is free of UN desirable people.

It is the decision of XXXXX to have you removed from pre registration list and banned from all future XXXXX events. For more information, please email XXXXX at

Sincerely

Name Removed
XXXXX convention chairman"



This raises many potential issues with people and me who go to anime conventions. If a convention was to share their banned list who is to say if the list is right or not for another event? For all we know there could have been a miss understanding at a past event that got a person wrongly put on a banned list.

Many events maintain a banned list for a reason however to share it with another event is unacceptable. Keep in mind this letter came from a first year convention in a UN disclosed country.

To share all that personal information with another event that in my view is wrong. Doing the above violates many laws regarding data protection and personal rights pertaining to the shareing of personal data.


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Last edited by nadesico81 (11 Dec 2008 - 14:12)
11 Dec 2008 - 15:558558
Thats an appalling, tactless and iresponsible email to send out to someone.

Even with a watch list I would expect a new convention committee to review each individual.

However this is something for your friend to discuss with the convention in question. If he is on a banned list, sadly it's for a reason and he needs to discuss it with them.

From my experience of running events it's very difficult to actualy get yourself banned. Most events will first warn you about your behavour and discuss it with you to ensure there are no missunderstandings or the like. It's only persistant or really serious offenders that should get banned.


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11 Dec 2008 - 16:308560
I know there was that bloke who got banned from a con in Texas lately and his name has been passed out to loads of other cons in the state, along with descriptions of what he did to earn the ban in the first place. Going by these descriptions, though, he deserves everything he's getting.

If I were your friend and I really was as pure as the driven snow, the first thing I'd be doing is emailing the con organisers back asking for a full explanation of what I'm supposed to have done wrong. You can't proceed with anything until you're fully informed of things.


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11 Dec 2008 - 23:318608
If this is the Texas event then the descriptions as to why he was banned are perfectly acceptable and I'm not surprised it was shared within the state.

And there is nothing to stop him travelling outside of the state!

(if this is a different person, then please disregard this)

However, there are events in the UK where heartache, personal injury and financial damage could have been avoided if such information was shared and I think most people in the UK cosplay community will know the name: Ryan Gentle (or Ryan Albright as he was known for a while)

This man treated women appaulingly (sexual assault and attempted activities with minors were in his repetoire), he stole money from several people in quite clever and convincing ways and got away with all of it. He was banned from several conventions and was, at that time, still a moderator and a gopher for the MCM Expo. Then he carried out activities there and was banned after a person lost hundreds of pounds.

There is another person at the moment whose name has been passed around to different event organisers due to repeated sexual assaults.

As such, I think it's acceptable for such things to be passed around to minimise the risk AS LONG AS the convention organisers check out the story first rather than just taking it at face value.


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12 Dec 2008 - 00:538613
He should probably email all of the cons and ask what is goin on then. He might just share a badge name/real name with a banned member
Ryan Gentle went under many names and im just glad that he has been banned. Maybe ur friend shared a name with him
Or maybe its all a big mistake ^_^


12 Dec 2008 - 01:028614
Quote sonnet:
He should probably email all of the cons and ask what is goin on then. He might just share a badge name/real name with a banned member
Ryan Gentle went under many names and im just glad that he has been banned. Maybe ur friend shared a name with him
Or maybe its all a big mistake ^_^


o_O

Wait...what?


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12 Dec 2008 - 02:038617
Quote nadesico81:

This person to my knowledge has done nothing wrong. He holds a rather high security clearance with a government organization. I would not be writing this if I did not 100% trust the integrity of this person in question.


Yeah but the thing there is your knowledge of what he's done and what's he's told you he's done doesn't mean he's done nothing. And security clearance doesn't mean you don't get drunk at a con and do something stupid. Not saying your friend has but my point is that it doesn't even come into it.

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This raises many potential issues with people and me who go to anime conventions. If a convention was to share their banned list who is to say if the list is right or not for another event? For all we know there could have been a miss understanding at a past event that got a person wrongly put on a banned list.


Well I know ban list sharing goes on in the UK but at a con by con basis the committee will unban people as they see fit. I think most are sensible in not just taking that list as perfect.


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To share all that personal information with another event that in my view is wrong. Doing the above violates many laws regarding data protection and personal rights pertaining to the shareing of personal data.


I'm not sure sharing a name and e-mail address is quite as cleanly illegal as you're making out.


12 Dec 2008 - 10:578628
Hmmm, if it was a mistake/misunderstanding then he needs to contact the convention organisers to sort it out there.

Otherwise, it may be that he's not as well behaved as you think. I have a couple of friends who have been banned for bad behaviour and I initially would never have thought they'd be capable of the incidents they were banned for, but sure enough, when one of them managed to sneak into a new convention by being vouched for by another one of my friends, well... shall I just say that it wasn't pretty. Some people completely change the moment alcohol gets involved.

As such, conventions sharing such information is perfectly reasonable. It only makes sense, as it protects the majority of attendees from having their con experience ruined by 1-2 individuals.

If someone was stupid/thoughtless/dangerous/illegal enough to get a ban, then s/he deserved it. Bans are not dished out lightly. And I would definitely be worried if I knew such a person was coming to a convention I'd be attending.


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13 Dec 2008 - 12:168686
I have been working this issue with the convention in question over the last few days.

The evidence they have to warren putting the un named person on the banned list, is based on circumstantial evidence from a third party from several years ago. In my opinion it throws into question the credibility and public image of the event.

Its kind of like saying " My uncles brother sister, nephew's cousin's neighbor said you slept with her friend and or sexually assaulted her."

In addition I have discounted privacy from this issue. Since all they had was a list of last names and emails from another event. However the shearing of emails is common it can be argued its public information or could be covered under privacy laws.


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17 Dec 2008 - 10:588774
UPDATE
I have been reading the privacy laws for our fair land. Any sort of information in this case seems to fall in the fine gray area of the law. Yes names and address are covered however; who gets to use them gets a bit confusing.


However, I personally feel no convention should ever give out that sort of information under any circumstances. Unless they have a documented police and or medical report to go along with it.

I have been investigating two cases on behalf of my friend and a business contact with a similar issue. I have learned allot about how certain conventions work and how they view the law. As with things in life, some events are better than others are. However, one must take any list magically handed to them from another event with a grain of salt.

I am still pursuing this issue at this time. I have been very careful to keep out names and places here. However, this subject should serve as a classic example of what not to do form an Anime Conventions point of view.


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17 Dec 2008 - 12:438779
Quote nadesico81:
The evidence they have to warren putting the un named person on the banned list, is based on circumstantial evidence from a third party from several years ago. In my opinion it throws into question the credibility and public image of the event.

Its kind of like saying " My uncles brother sister, nephew's cousin's neighbor said you slept with her friend and or sexually assaulted her."


Then that's something for unnamed person and them to work out between themselves. If it's a misunderstanding then maybe an agreement can be came to, but you don't know what this person has or hasn't done unless you were with them for the entirety of the event in question.

I'm all up for the sharing of banned member lists between conventions myself. Not a whole lot of people get banned from cons, and as was mentioned above you usually have to do something pretty awful for a convention committee to decide you're not allowed back. People who organise these events put a hell of a lot of work into it (probably more than you realise), and the last thing they want is for people to do things which will jepoardise the event itself, or people attending the event. Thus, if someone has done something like that at an event in the past then its good sense to make sure other people who are working as hard as you did to put an event together know this, and can put precautions into place again them. If that means they want to ban them outright that's their decision, but at the end of the day it's the individuals fault for doing something stupid in the first place. And if people are worried that they'll be banned from all conventions for acting like a dick at one, it means that they're likely to be more careful at all of them lest they never attend anymore. That is a good thing in my eyes.

As for this freedom of information thing... Well, on the registration lists for all the cons here I do believe you see peoples badge names and full names unless they've asked for them to be witheld. Email addresses again are usually public knowledge, and aren't exactly being sold to third parties for profit and spam. I fail to see exactly why any law would or even should cover these in any way.


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