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07 Jan 2009 - 13:409295
Quote sjbonnar:
That guy on the Yaoi stall was ridiculous since he was shouting something about "anal stretching" when I heard him :-\


That guy was my Hero! Not that im into that sort of thing *looks around* what a way to sell stuff. And belive you me they sold alot of stuff.

That stall was by far the most entertaining it always had a crowd around it.


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07 Jan 2009 - 13:449297
Quote nadesico81:
Quote sjbonnar:
That guy on the Yaoi stall was ridiculous since he was shouting something about "anal stretching" when I heard him :-\


That guy was my Hero! Not that im into that sort of thing *looks around* what a way to sell stuff. And belive you me they sold alot of stuff.

That stall was by far the most entertaining it always had a crowd around it.


see that has context and purpose ^^ selling to a crowd what buys it, im for that. it falls into the same catagory as characters who have signs its allowed but still slightly rage worthy ^.^


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07 Jan 2009 - 15:149314
Uh... I don't see it as acceptable at all. Though there is the fair crowd into it, there's still the portion who attend expo who aren't into that sort of thing. Look at it from the view of people who don't like yaoi - someone shouting about it at the top of their voice is just going to become annoying... and from the sounds of things, pretty vulgar too.

And hey, what if little kids are wandering past that stall who know no better? How are you supposed to explain that to them if they question it? It's a horrible way to behave just to sell stuff, in my opinion.


07 Jan 2009 - 15:489320
Quote FreyaCrescent:
Uh... I don't see it as acceptable at all. Though there is the fair crowd into it, there's still the portion who attend expo who aren't into that sort of thing. Look at it from the view of people who don't like yaoi - someone shouting about it at the top of their voice is just going to become annoying... and from the sounds of things, pretty vulgar too.

And hey, what if little kids are wandering past that stall who know no better? How are you supposed to explain that to them if they question it? It's a horrible way to behave just to sell stuff, in my opinion.


I agree with you.

I'm not into yaoi at all, so it becomes annoying to have fangirls squealling it and hitting you with yaoi paddles. You expect more professionalism from stall holders. Okay so he might have sold more than any other stall, but its offensive to people who aren't in yaoi, in the same way that hetero might be offensive to yaoi fans. (And, before anyone leaps at me and attempts to break my neck screaming blasphemy and that I'm a homophobe, I'm not. At all. I just happen to hate yaoi and find most of its fans... irritating).

In addition, having someone yelling out vulgar phrases to sell their wares is as bad, if not worse than the signs reading 'free rape'. Younger kids might not be able to read that, they can hear and at least repeat what the guy is saying though. Parents don't want to have to try and explain 'anal stretching' or 'anal rape' to a five year old.


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07 Jan 2009 - 16:439326
Quote FreyaCrescent:
Uh... I don't see it as acceptable at all. Though there is the fair crowd into it, there's still the portion who attend expo who aren't into that sort of thing. Look at it from the view of people who don't like yaoi - someone shouting about it at the top of their voice is just going to become annoying... and from the sounds of things, pretty vulgar too.

And hey, what if little kids are wandering past that stall who know no better? How are you supposed to explain that to them if they question it? It's a horrible way to behave just to sell stuff, in my opinion.


I totally agree, there is no age limit on the Expo, there is however a legal restriction on the content the stall owner was selling. You can stop young kids picking up a book from the stall, you can't choose who hears you shouting the details.


12 Feb 2009 - 13:4210652
I think it should there was one guy last time who stood in the middle of the expo hall and was dancing while waving a sign side to sign saying free hugs it was dam right annoying.

Also when ppl hold signs for free hugs it's like dude you just came here for hugs? Do you actully have any intrest what so ever in cosplaying and anime.

I also find it rude when people glomp you randomly what if you have a really fragile cosplay if someone glomped me and broke a peice of my cosplay I would get them to pay for it.

As for the yaoi shouting that man was just dam right rude. Even the guy beside him who was selling hentai felt uncomfortable (btw his comic weren't even hentai even though it said it)

Alot of people complained about him and I don't think he will be there and if he is I probably am going to have serouis words with him.

I do like yaoi though don't get me wrong but I hate disrespectful people just like when the vocie actors come and loads of girls are screaming and shit it's like okay I know your excited but come on he/her self must find it dam annoying have some respect and the'll give you respect back.



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12 Feb 2009 - 14:2710655
For a starter, I always did think "when do you ever pay for hugs?" XD

But I agree that innapropiate signs should be banned. But I also would like to see them go because of the huge amounts of crowding the conventions are getting, such as London Expo. This year was just totally packed and signs aren't necessary to anyone's cosplays if you see where Im coming from BUT if they are, then by all means have one.

But I dont want to be walking around watching my head because of hyperactive kids flailing them about without looking if you see what I mean. What annoys me most is the glomping thing... as I for one spend huge amounts of money on my costumes and they are fragile, I have yet to be glomped but I have seen it happen and the cosplayer didn't look too peachy. Signs come second


12 Feb 2009 - 16:2210665
^ Totally agree with you there also the fact that when ppl have signs people stop and it's hard to walk around them with it being so crowded


22 Feb 2009 - 21:0411008
It really disturbs me when there are really little kids with signs like 'will yaoi/fanservice/whatever for pocky/whatever'. Like I saw these two kids who can't have been more than 12, in kitty/maid outfits with signs like that. I'm not usually one for being all old-fashioned and 'kids nowadays' (hell i'm only 15 after all) but i think thats a bit creepy, plus it fuels arguments that the media has against anime and manga.
Although signs that have to do with cosplay are sometimes cute ^_^ and if its signs promoting a stall then i guess thats ok too.
EDIT: Shoot noez i didn't mean promoting any stall! I mean if it says like 'come see the tokyopop stall' or whatever (ok tokyopop was the first one that popped into my head lol). Not like the yaoi dude.



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23 Feb 2009 - 04:5211020
Free hug signs? While i don't like them, i don't hate them with a passion, HOWEVER, Signs with stuff like free rape are pathetic and if i see any i will be having some stern words with the people holding them. I won't be with any family members but i will treat it as if i was with my little brother, im not going to explain such things to him at his age (6)and neither should others. Lets face it... if someone came up me and my bro in the street and said free rape to him, i would deck him, and while people may make the excuse that they are not saying it at people, it is written word, people can read.

But i do believe these are rare cases as i didn't see any in oct 2008.


23 Feb 2009 - 16:2811035
sign's such as free rape and such like should be banned... there is no way i would want my kid reading that and trying to explain that rape and such is wrong.

i also think the guy on the yaoi stall is wrong for shouting out wot he did, he had a big enough flag on the wall that would of been enough, i am a yaoi fan but to be honest all his shouting about it put me off looking as it was just vulgar and expo is a family event, things like this should not be allowed.


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23 Feb 2009 - 16:4911037
Quote Rwylin:
sign's such as free rape and such like should be banned... there is no way i would want my kid reading that and trying to explain that rape and such is wrong.

i also think the guy on the yaoi stall is wrong for shouting out wot he did, he had a big enough flag on the wall that would of been enough, i am a yaoi fan but to be honest all his shouting about it put me off looking as it was just vulgar and expo is a family event, things like this should not be allowed.


I know what you mean! I like yaoi as much as the next fangirl but his yelling made me embarrased to go over! Shouting stuff like that at an event with little kids is just not on.

And I agree with the majority on the sign front, 'free hugs' is annoying but fair enough, but stuff like 'free rape' is just...no. X.X (Also it would be nice if free huggers would take no for an answer and stop hassling me!)


23 Feb 2009 - 21:2011048
Everyone who backed up the yaoi seller either didn't hear what the guy was saying or are just being ridiculous.

When I walk past a stall, I do not expect to hear "gay incest! Anal stretching!" being shouted at me and I'm sure some parents would have something to say about that as well!


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24 Feb 2009 - 10:2411055
Quote sjbonnar:
Everyone who backed up the yaoi seller either didn't hear what the guy was saying or are just being ridiculous.

When I walk past a stall, I do not expect to hear "gay incest! Anal stretching!" being shouted at me and I'm sure some parents would have something to say about that as well!


Yeah I know. I stayed away from that area. If that stuff is going to be sold then the sell has to be more discrete about it. It's bad enough that they were just out in the open for anyone to pick up.


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24 Feb 2009 - 10:2911056
Quote sjbonnar:
Everyone who backed up the yaoi seller either didn't hear what the guy was saying or are just being ridiculous.

When I walk past a stall, I do not expect to hear "gay incest! Anal stretching!" being shouted at me and I'm sure some parents would have something to say about that as well!


What ever happened to the discreet "smut box" eh? I couldn't believe what I was hearing when he was yelling. Heck, I was worried about the violence in Far Cry 2 when I had that on my stand... well up until he opened his gob! XD

Regarding the signs, my opinion is pretty well known to anyone who knows me well enough. A few years ago signs were only used for skits or the odd "funny" costume. Now people use them to get free hugs (human contact PLZ!) or to tell the whole world what 1337 4channers they are. I'm unsure that banning them would achieve much, but monitoring the content of some of them might be wise especially the more offensive ones that people have pointed out.



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24 Feb 2009 - 10:3011057
It is a slightly...shall we say over -gregarious method of selling Yaoi I mean Im no stranger to the subject myself *more of a Futa man myself* but it is obcene to behave in that way when not everyone is down for it nor age worthy. Its a unique selling point and in a Yaoi panel well in place im sure but people of all ages are in the dealers room.


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24 Feb 2009 - 10:3711058
Quote ryukredapples:
*more of a Futa man myself*


We don't need to know your fetishes thanks...

Quote ryukredapples:
Its a unique selling point and in a Yaoi panel well in place im sure but people of all ages are in the dealers room.


Yelling "ANAL STRETCHING!" is a selling point?


24 Feb 2009 - 10:3811059
Quote Kazz:
Quote ryukredapples:
*more of a Futa man myself*


We don't need to know your fetishes thanks...

Quote ryukredapples:
Its a unique selling point and in a Yaoi panel well in place im sure but people of all ages are in the dealers room.


Yelling "ANAL STRETCHING!" is a selling point?


LOL it was a joke bro relax ^.^ kinda in the spirit of the conversation of what sjbonnar was saying ^.^ though badly worded I will give you that

And as for the selling point ^.^ it all depends what your into for yaoi fans yes I would say it is, like Nadesico said they took alot of custom that day, im not particulaly a fan of what they where doing but it yeilded results, im not a big fan of mcdonalds "im loving it campaign" but im positive they made money.


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25 Feb 2009 - 02:3311107
Quote ryukredapples:

LOL it was a joke bro relax ^.^ kinda in the spirit of the conversation of what sjbonnar was saying ^.^ though badly worded I will give you that

And as for the selling point ^.^ it all depends what your into for yaoi fans yes I would say it is, like Nadesico said they took alot of custom that day, im not particulaly a fan of what they where doing but it yeilded results, im not a big fan of mcdonalds "im loving it campaign" but im positive they made money.


Its not as simple as 'its what you like/what your into', its about whats appropriate at the time. For example, late night tv contains swear words/nudity and violence but in the morning/early afternoon you won't find any.

Sure, if the event was 16+ then it wouldn't be as bad but the event if for adults and children alike.


Oh and comparing 'Im loving it' to 'Anal stretching' is really pushing it .


25 Feb 2009 - 09:4411109
Lol that was purely because i couldnt think of a potent advertising campaign ^.^ LOL but your right its all about context, and I totaly agree it was a bit to much yaoi tends to sell itself O_o


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27 Feb 2009 - 19:0411194
I agree with both Kazz and SJ here. I think theres a line where it crosses from being funny to becoming obsecene. Sadly, it appears that the line is being crossed more.

I was fortunate not to hear the Yaoi seller but certainally if I had I would be shocked that he would be allowed to sell stuff whilst saying such things as 'anal strecthing'. You certainally wouldn't be allowed to say such things in the middle of the high street. Afterall the expo is a family event and the same can be said for any shopping event or any expo (unless is been stated as an adult event). As much as I am a yaoi fan I prefer to keep it subtle and not have it yelled into my face.

I agree that banning signs aright wouldn't help. Just restrict what is put on them.

The problem I have is more with the glompers. When is okay to attack someone even after they have said 'no'. In normal situations this is considered assult and is an arrestable offence. I nearly decked the guy who did it to me. Not because he broke my rather expensive Sephiroth armour, more becasue he didn't respect my wishes.

I think anyone who wishes to glomp/have 'free hug' signs should consider the reactions of others and respect peoples wishes.


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27 Feb 2009 - 19:4611198
Personally I think banning signs wont stop people bringing them. Its like large guns and swords. They are not supposed to be on the floor, they are meant to be handed in at the desk and used for masquerade only. (This could have changed, but last time I checked, this was policy. So if I'm wrong don't jump down my throat like a pack of wild animals please. ) But people still bring them and walk around with them. Most people who bring these weapons (from what I've seen) are very sensible with them though.
(Except the large Bleach group in premier inn who were fighting in reception...-_-)

Limiting whats put on signs would probably be more beneficial. I must admit it gets tiring when people run at you with free hug signs all the time, especially if you don't want to hug them, you're made out to be an utter [Insert name here]. Its also not nice seeing signs saying things like 'Rape me!' or 'Will rape/yaoi for money/food'. Personally I don't find rape a funny or as many say 'lolz worthy' subject. :/

I agree whole heartedly about glompers though. I'm with you on that, Sephirayne. People need to stop and think for a second about the person they want to glomp. Do you know them? Do you know if they have a medical ailment? Do you know how they will react? Most of the times the answer is no to all of these.
I've been glomped by people while wearing a steel boned corset, knocked down stairs by glompers and my friend nearly had a £400 camera destroyed when he was cosplaying Jigsaw, as someone took a running leap at him. The worst part was that she didn't even apologize, just shrugged and told him not to bring a camera. Hes a photography student so obviously, a con is rife with oppertunity and he didn't expect a /stranger/ to leap at him.

I don't think its ever okay to leap at a stranger, even more so if they say no. Glompers need to think for a second, because sometimes they really do hurt people. If you want to leap at your friends then do it, but be prepared for mates to get annoyed as well.

Also, the yaoi stall scared me. I like yaoi, but some of the stuff he was yelling actually kept me /away/ from his stall! That and the large masses of flailing girls. XD

I understand that con staff are volunteers and that they can't police everything all the time, nor can they chase after people who do violate rules or guidelines, but honestly, a con is not an excuse to act like an ass/five year old or brain dead and people should use their common sense regarding signs and the like. :3


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27 Feb 2009 - 22:0911202
Quote sjbonnar:
Everyone who backed up the yaoi seller either didn't hear what the guy was saying or are just being ridiculous.

When I walk past a stall, I do not expect to hear "gay incest! Anal stretching!" being shouted at me and I'm sure some parents would have something to say about that as well!


if it happens this year then i will not be bringing my son to expo next year.. i was going to but if ppl like that are going to be shouting that sort of stuff at expo then i will not be bringing him.

(also are u a friend of jade edgeworth??? shes mentiond u a few times)


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27 Feb 2009 - 23:5711205
Quote Rwylin:
Quote sjbonnar:
Everyone who backed up the yaoi seller either didn't hear what the guy was saying or are just being ridiculous.

When I walk past a stall, I do not expect to hear "gay incest! Anal stretching!" being shouted at me and I'm sure some parents would have something to say about that as well!


if it happens this year then i will not be bringing my son to expo next year.. i was going to but if ppl like that are going to be shouting that sort of stuff at expo then i will not be bringing him.

(also are u a friend of jade edgeworth??? shes mentiond u a few times)


I really wouldn't let something like this ruin your plans of having a great day/weekend, the best thing to do is look out for a huge multicoloured banner with yaoi on it, as its what he had behind him in oct and just steer clear of that area. In oct he was in a corner (so to speak), you will miss out on acouple of stalls but mcm really is worth going to if you can


28 Feb 2009 - 02:4311209
I don't mind certain signs if they're cosplay related. I remember a cross-dressing Ed at one con holding a peice of paper saying "I lost a bet with the Colonel". As for free hugs, it was ok to begin with as a mild joke, when there were only one or two people doing it. For example, one cosplayer at Fuyucon went around the con with one in an attempt to see how many hugs he would get (he lost count at 250) and even took it with him when he went to macdonalds. He was suprised that random people who knew nothing about anime and cosplay went up to him and hugged him.

That was ok because he wasn't annoying anyone, just joking around.

I think what's ruined what was once a joke is the amount of people who do it. I don't know what they're like at Expos since i've not been to any yet but judging from what some of you have said, it seems like a majority of the free hug people are annoying or just looking for attention. Seriously, someone standing around for most of the day expecting a hug rather than mingling with the other cosplayers? Why bother going to the Expo in the first place then?

As for making rubbish, I think whoever made/used the sign should at least take it with them or put it in the bin/recycling themselves rather than leave it to the con staff.

I think people should think before doing and consider the other con-folks feelings. The same with just yelling out "free hugs", you should at least find a suitable area where no one would get trampled, and also with the people who run toward said person, they should at least look where they're going. (I feel the same with conga lines, at Ame last year I remember the entire line accidently tripping over some poor person who was just relaxing in the hallway.)

A little consideration and common sense goes a long way.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that a friend of mine had the right idea with his wristbands. Green meant yes to glomps, yellow meant ask before glomping and red meant you don't want to be glomped at all. It just meant that there was no need for a free hugs sign since you could tell from the wristband if that person wanted a hug or not.

And about banning the signs: I think signs are ok if they're cosplay related or if they're not offensive or the person wielding it was considerate. With the free hugs ones, they're ok for mild humour and in moderation but I think cons should have a warning about the use of them, like if you annoy people too much or are blocking the way of a crowd then you get 3 warnings before the sign is confiscated (or you're banned or something.)



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