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09 Dec 2008 - 22:448456
i agree with Silver.

99% of me loaths signs because over 3/4 of them were just scraps of paper done at the artist alley in about 30 seconds.
some, although taken time over still look a bit crap.

but 1% of me really admires the time some people take over their signs. some of them a beautifully drawn and look really good.

but otherwise, yes, ban them forever. and while we're at it can we ban glompers and free huggers too?


maybe it should be a rule to apply if you're planning on carying a sign so no crappy sheets of paper can be carried around.
like advance applying to the masquerade. >w<


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09 Dec 2008 - 22:488459
Fist expo, free hugs were the best idea all year, get to the next con, and the next, and they REALLYY have started to drive me insane.
like most people, if some one asks for a hug, i have no problem with that, but at one point in october, there was litraly a isle of people with ''free....'' signs, but if they stay out your way, and dont stand in frount of you and refuse to move, then i dont mind it.
But on another note, the totaly out of order signs, such as some one who came over to me with a free hug sign and asked nicely, i hugged him, and then he flipped the sign over [it was a paper one...] and it said ''Free sex'' and tbh, i was totaly discused, and so were my 2 friends who were with me.

so if there gonna have signs, i think they should be made properly, and peices of paper with free what ever should be taken away, but the ones that are made properly should be veiwed by some one before being able to be taken in, and the aproved ones, stamped? so if some ones sign isnt aproved, then they can have it taken away if its somthing out ragious as i always thought expo was for a family audience? and i dont think kids should be seeing some of the stuff i saw on signs :/


09 Dec 2008 - 22:568462
Quote Neko-Chan:

But on another note, the totaly out of order signs, such as some one who came over to me with a free hug sign and asked nicely, i hugged him, and then he flipped the sign over [it was a paper one...] and it said ''Free sex'' and tbh, i was totaly discused, and so were my 2 friends who were with me.

:/


Yes agreed that dude needs a kick to the head for that sign.

Alot of people seemed to be against the use of hand made signs at the expo. This makes me wonder who would we talk to with in the expo about this issue? After all the expo is a family event.

As a person of the media and press it begs me to ask the question?

Are handmade signs an over all good thing or should they go the way of the dinosaurs?


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Last edited by nadesico81 (09 Dec 2008 - 22:57)
09 Dec 2008 - 22:598464
i think the offensive signs should be taken away and people who shove free hug signs in your face should...

cant expo just have a section just for free huggers? so then they dont smoosh your face with them


09 Dec 2008 - 23:128467
Quote angel aiko:
cant expo just have a section just for free huggers? so then they dont smoosh your face with them
Yes please! Outside, in the Thames!! haha j/k.

It's nice to see the other side of things here, like Monkey's sister's experience. That is so lovely to read, I honestly didn't realise what a big deal it could be, and how much it could mean! I'm personally not a huggy person so I do not like anyone touching me really at all (unless it is a friend) so I do not understand this, it's good for me to learn!!


10 Dec 2008 - 00:298473
Quote nadesico81:
Quote Neko-Chan:

But on another note, the totaly out of order signs, such as some one who came over to me with a free hug sign and asked nicely, i hugged him, and then he flipped the sign over [it was a paper one...] and it said ''Free sex'' and tbh, i was totaly discused, and so were my 2 friends who were with me.

:/


Yes agreed that dude needs a kick to the head for that sign.

Alot of people seemed to be against the use of hand made signs at the expo. This makes me wonder who would we talk to with in the expo about this issue? After all the expo is a family event.


There have been threads asking for their banning for the last three or four events now. Same goes for glompers and free huggers. They've said that they've seen them but like most things, it's just not going in.

To them, money is money and kicking someone out might be bad for publicity.


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10 Dec 2008 - 08:468481
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote nadesico81:
Quote Neko-Chan:

But on another note, the totaly out of order signs, such as some one who came over to me with a free hug sign and asked nicely, i hugged him, and then he flipped the sign over [it was a paper one...] and it said ''Free sex'' and tbh, i was totaly discused, and so were my 2 friends who were with me.

:/


Yes agreed that dude needs a kick to the head for that sign.

Alot of people seemed to be against the use of hand made signs at the expo. This makes me wonder who would we talk to with in the expo about this issue? After all the expo is a family event.


There have been threads asking for their banning for the last three or four events now. Same goes for glompers and free huggers. They've said that they've seen them but like most things, it's just not going in.

To them, money is money and kicking someone out might be bad for publicity.



I do not see money as a core issue here. As an event, they should provide a level of customer service that includes taking care of issues like this one.

It is simple if you brake English law for instance like Shoplifting, fighting or violence you should be kicked out.

Who says they have to kick people out over signs that just silly. 99.9% of people holding signs are harmless. However it is the image and UN comfortableness they project into everyone else with those signs that the issue here.

All it would take is a few staffers to nicely go around and inform people and the problem will go away. This has been done at other events with good success.

Many Conventions and Events have rules and guideline for people attending the event. For some reason the Expo lacks simple rules and guidelines regarding key issues. If you look at their web site, there are no guidelines for attendees.

In contrast if you look at Anime Boston they openly post there rules and guidelines.
See here- http://animeboston.com/about/conrules/

Alternatively, if you look here at Anime South- http://www.animesouth.com/roc.htm#signs this policy is quite good, I know because I wrote it.

"Signs

Any convention members holding, making, wearing, or giving out any signs that are adult in nature are unauthorized for showing and use at Anime South. In addition, anyone possessing a sign that solicits a service for money or competes with our Dealers Room and/or any service provided by the hotel, the convention is prohibited. We are enacting this policy in an effort to keep any and all signs to be family-friendly in nature. If a person is seen with a questionable sign, they will be asked to put it away or throw it away promptly. The Chief of Information and Chairman have final say on any and all signs."


I think most events should have this sort of policy on their books. However, it would be up to event staffers to enforce it.


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10 Dec 2008 - 08:498482
Quote nert:
The free hugs stuff is a little out of control, I actually think it was better this expo than previously so I'm not *as* concerned but, yeah.. What did annoy me was the number of "lost the game" signs, both around the floor and in every. other. skit. Not as personally intrusive but good god that joke was old about 5 years ago


Yeah, to be honest, the free hugs wasnt as bad this october, it just seemed the numbers were even higher then before.
I remember the october expo last year, where I got attacked a few times by free huggers. I say 'attacked', I mean they just ran up and hugged me randomly, no warning or anything.
But it was annoying for 2 reasons, 1 because I was trying to take a picture of some cosplayers at the time, and 2 because I was working on a stall that expo and that had wasted part of my break.

Quote Sands:
Iv been hugged inappropriately at every expo, at this October one I had 2 girls just come up to me and hug me when I quite clearly said no to them. I find this to be just plain rude and inconsiderate behaviour!Its also quite horrible when you have rather pervey old men ask for a hug when your in a revealing or skin tight costume!


Yeah, that seems to be another issue, people not understanding the meaning of 'NO!'.
When I'm looking at the cosplayers, I never go to hug them, unless they want a hug after having a picture (Its happened once or twice)
Generally, Im happy with taking the picture then givng a cosplayer a nod of thanks, or at the most a hand-shake.

Thats the main problem I have with free huggers, and some huggers in general. Its ok if they ask for a hug, but its the ones who try and force you to hug them, or just hug you by surprise.
Going back to last year again, when I did an Inuyasha cosplay, I was trying to catch up with my friends for a group photo when someone just grabbed me for a hug. I didnt loose any time, but when they grab you while your on the move to something, it can be a pain.

Quote CrystalNeko:
Am I right in thinking that signs are only a problem at expos?


I think youd be right actually. As you say, at the expo, there isnt alot do to most of the time outside of shopping, so alot of folks will find stuff to keep them occupied, but its shame they cant do something more normal, like talk to friends, or for the shyer types (Like I myself was) just sit down and read some of the new manga you bought or something.

I do think its more control then anything thats needed. I still stand firm though that they should at least be stopped from going around inside the expo while waving the free hug-signs about, where people are busy trying to shop/take pictures.

But I do agree that 'dodgy' signs at the least should be banned, especially as we are getting alot of younger folks being taken to these shows.


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10 Dec 2008 - 09:048484
Quote MattDark:


I do think its more control then anything thats needed. I still stand firm though that they should at least be stopped from going around inside the expo while waving the free hug-signs about, where people are busy trying to shop/take pictures.

But I do agree that 'dodgy' signs at the least should be banned, especially as we are getting alot of younger folks being taken to these shows.


Indeed so and I agree. When you have a high level of young people at an event this tends to happen. At State Side events, this use to be a large problem. Though careful planning and informing the masses they were able to make the issue go away.

I know the Expo is making good money from this event. I have to give them credit where credit due honestly. Each time they have put on an expo they have gotten better. For instance, last time they had a dedicated pressroom, which they never had. The first expo I went to they had no one for line control. The past few expos have been much better for this. In the past the room has been stupid small, recent expos have been in much bigger rooms.

I feel they have the staff and people in place now to bring out simple rules and guidelines for attendees to include signs.


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10 Dec 2008 - 11:458487
I just wanted to add a second post (concerning only the huggers), mainly so people don't think I'm a judgmental evil person!

My main problems come from personal experience, my Leblanc costume was attacked in October just before the masquerade because I asked some boys to give me a little space and stop trying to touch me. That upset me greatly. Thankfully I found Granny Gurtrude who contacted security and had them booted out for attacking my costume.

The second comes from the numerous nasty looks I've had from people that don't understand 'no sorry I'm not in a hug proof costume' Most people understood, and the ones that were nice about it got a stoke on the arm (about as much as I can usually do in my costumes) and a smile, which they seemed to appreciate (especially the X-2 fans!) but some people gave me the kind of look you'd give someone who just spat on your grandmother. They are the ones that bug me the most. (oh and the ones that try and hug you anyway)

If the majority of huggers (and only huggers, everything else should be banned for decency's sake) just understood no means no, and respected personal space I wouldn't have a problem.

I've had some requests from very lovely looking guys who I would have loved to hug if I could


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10 Dec 2008 - 12:528491
Quote GunstarVixen:
I just wanted to add a second post (concerning only the huggers), mainly so people don't think I'm a judgmental evil person!

My main problems come from personal experience, my Leblanc costume was attacked in October just before the masquerade because I asked some boys to give me a little space and stop trying to touch me. That upset me greatly. Thankfully I found Granny Gurtrude who contacted security and had them booted out for attacking my costume.





That is too bad some people just don't get it.

One of the UN written rules about cosplaying, is that you can look and take pictures if you ask. BUT DONT TOUCH the person!!!!!

Many people don’t understand when I say NO to hugs and Glomps there is a reason. While wherein Optimus Prime. I made sure to put speakers in it so I can play music to help disperse the crowd while walking around. It also helped having a friend there to guide me though the masses.

We even put a nicely made sign on my cosplay saying; "please don’t touch" yet people did not understand or care to read it? Some people were trying to put signs on my cosplays backside to see if we would notice. I was walking around with a 30% off at TokyoToys sign on my back unbeknown to me for 1/2 hour until someone took it off.


However, people still try and glomp me or hug me not realizing that the cosplay is fragile. One young teenager nearly knocked me and the guy next over running up to me for a picture. All though funny, at the time, it knocked my helmet to the side and one of the smoke stacks off. Thank god for duct tape and super glue.

I am fine with little kids hugging me since they have small arms. However when grown men want to hug me I have to draw the line.


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Last edited by nadesico81 (10 Dec 2008 - 13:01)
10 Dec 2008 - 13:008493
my first real experience with glomping etc was at october expo 07, the thing is tho most people where nice about it and asked if they could hug/glomp which was really nice, although there where signs and such i barely noticed any.

i can udnerstand that the "rude *insert sexual act here*" can be off putting for a lot of people especially when there are REALLY young children around.

speaking of which i had the best experience at the same expo when a family asked if their son could pose wiht me for a photo when iwas cosplaying jiraiya i thought it was sweet

i think rude signs should be banned free hugs and glomping should also be toned down or at least have a bit more common sense to ask before you attack.


10 Dec 2008 - 13:048494
we should petition.....


i vote to have the first page of the expo guide as an "ettiquette at expo" page.

1~ when asking for hugs, if the cosplayer in question says no, respect their wishes.

etc etc.

during may, i was in a very glomp/hug proof cosplay and i got glomped from behind buy an idiot. my boyfriend even yelled "don't glomp her!" when he saw him running up to me.
i have a bad back anyway but it hurt for the rest of the day and also snapped part of my cotume off.

back on topic. i don't think this would have happened if there were some kind of outlines to what is acceptable behaviour..... underwhich free hug/free anything else signs should be. *nod*


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10 Dec 2008 - 13:188495
Quote nadesico81:
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote nadesico81:
Quote Neko-Chan:

But on another note, the totaly out of order signs, such as some one who came over to me with a free hug sign and asked nicely, i hugged him, and then he flipped the sign over [it was a paper one...] and it said ''Free sex'' and tbh, i was totaly discused, and so were my 2 friends who were with me.

:/


Yes agreed that dude needs a kick to the head for that sign.

Alot of people seemed to be against the use of hand made signs at the expo. This makes me wonder who would we talk to with in the expo about this issue? After all the expo is a family event.


There have been threads asking for their banning for the last three or four events now. Same goes for glompers and free huggers. They've said that they've seen them but like most things, it's just not going in.

To them, money is money and kicking someone out might be bad for publicity.



I do not see money as a core issue here. As an event, they should provide a level of customer service that includes taking care of issues like this one.

It is simple if you brake English law for instance like Shoplifting, fighting or violence you should be kicked out.

Who says they have to kick people out over signs that just silly. 99.9% of people holding signs are harmless. However it is the image and UN comfortableness they project into everyone else with those signs that the issue here.


Ok, so what if they are asked to put the signs away and outright refuse to do so? What then?

Trust me, the expo is 100% about making money and EVERYTHING they do is money-orientated which is understandable as it's a business to them and that's what businesses are for. However, you have to understand that seriously EVERYTHING for expo is motivated by money. There are people who have attempted sexual assault and have been reported to the organisers more than once and are still allowed to come and go freely from the event.


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10 Dec 2008 - 14:088498
Quote GunstarVixen:
I just wanted to add a second post (concerning only the huggers), mainly so people don't think I'm a judgmental evil person!

My main problems come from personal experience, my Leblanc costume was attacked in October just before the masquerade because I asked some boys to give me a little space and stop trying to touch me. That upset me greatly. Thankfully I found Granny Gurtrude who contacted security and had them booted out for attacking my costume.


Yeah, some people seem to have such a hard time understanding, they think that they dont need to ask, or that because someone is in costume, they somehow give up the right to refuse hugs or something.

Quote nadesico81:
One of the UN written rules about cosplaying, is that you can look and take pictures if you ask. BUT DONT TOUCH the person!!!!!


Unless they give you permission of course.

I have to agree that with those who have said you wouldnt see these people acting like this normally. Yet something about the expo seems to set them off for some reason.

It is a real pain, because these are the folks that give a bad name to things, not so much the expo, but possibly anime fans.

Then again, Ive seen people do similar things at the cons and never have anything happen.
At this years Amecon, someone had been making some comments about one of my friends costumes, because she had cosplayed Amechan. Yet she wasnt in cosplay, and didnt seem to put much effort into anything (And was quite a heckler if the auction was anything to go by) but nothing seemed to be done there...

Sean is right when he says that nothing really gets done about this sort of stuff, its a shame nothing happens, but its something we have to deal with right now...


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10 Dec 2008 - 14:408499
Quote MattDark:


It is a real pain, because these are the folks that give a bad name to things, not so much the expo, but possibly anime fans.

Then again, Ive seen people do similar things at the cons and never have anything happen.
At this years Amecon, someone had been making some comments about one of my friends costumes, because she had cosplayed Amechan. Yet she wasnt in cosplay, and didnt seem to put much effort into anything (And was quite a heckler if the auction was anything to go by) but nothing seemed to be done there...

Sean is right when he says that nothing really gets done about this sort of stuff, its a shame nothing happens, but its something we have to deal with right now...


No matter what event you put on Anime Convention, ScFi convention, Fetish Show, Teen Model Convention etc etc etc. Whenever you have the mix of Pre Teens, Students, young kids and grown adults, the sort of things we are talking about will happen.

I have staffed and or attended many different of the above events. The issues we are talking about are not isolated to just the Expo or any single event. Many conventions deal with these issues. I have seen Conventions fall on their head when they don’t address these issues and problems.

Yea I know its low down dirty shame that the expo is motivated by money, as it seems. However until I hear that from the Expo I won’t 100% believe it. I do like the Expo alot however there is always room for improvement.

The events that tend to do deal with these problems stand out from the rest. They are the ones that provide good customer service while dealing with problems and with balancing profits/money. The events that can do this will be around for a very long time. The ones that can't or will not will go by the way side.


The Expo does a fantastic job of handling people’s tickets and entry. They are stellar in promoting Anime, Films, events etc etc etc. However they should start, address these issues.

As the old saying goes "Treat your customer’s right and they will treat you right”, we are all customers of the London Expo.

*Does anyone think that this Expo topic needs its own thread? If yal say yes then let’s make one.*


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10 Dec 2008 - 14:458501
To be honest, I think we need a seperate thread for each issue, as this is really branching out into multiple topics of things that annoy us at shows now.


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10 Dec 2008 - 14:478502
Quote MattDark:
To be honest, I think we need a seperate thread for each issue, as this is really branching out into multiple topics of things that annoy us at shows now.


*To all powerfull MOD*

Are we able to move the topics from this thread into a new one/ start a new one? Or is that beyond your Magical MOD Powers?


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10 Dec 2008 - 18:288508
Quote Silver:

I don't know if anyone else saw this guy (or even if I just imagined him because I only saw him briefly over someone's shoulder) at October Expo, but he had an A3 sized sign, all cut out beauitfully and mounted on card, with a really detailed manga drawing and Free Hugs on it.
He wasn't shoving the sign in people's faces. He was just carrying it around and talking to his friends. I actually liked his sign; so banning them would mean people who actually put effort into their signs (few and far between as they are) would loose something they enjoy.



I think I know who your talking about I think I singed it cause he wanted everyone who gave him a hug to sign it and he was rather polite about it just asked didn't shout or push it in my face or anything.

I noticed in a few posts (as I havn't read all them yet)people are asking why people think this is ok at a expo. well in my opinion it's likely cause it's not a normal thing they do in there everyday lives and it's not (for lack of a better term) "a normal event" so they'll believe they can act differently or do stuff they wouldn't normally do. That being said a few years back there were people with free hug signs up princes street (Edinburgh) think it was encouraged by the government as a way to try and get people to come closer together or something by "hugging a stranger" (lost my train of thought and forgot where I was going with this so I'll leave it here)


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10 Dec 2008 - 18:358509
Signs saying "Free hugs" or anything inappropriate should be banned.

Anything else should be OK and if it actually is a prop for a costume (I can only think Wil E Cyote atm) then make it.


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I think there should be
rules on signs,
but banning them would be a bit
harsh In my opinion ^ . ^


10 Dec 2008 - 20:398515
Quote nadesico81:
Quote MattDark:
To be honest, I think we need a seperate thread for each issue, as this is really branching out into multiple topics of things that annoy us at shows now.


*To all powerfull MOD*

Are we able to move the topics from this thread into a new one/ start a new one? Or is that beyond your Magical MOD Powers?


I could, but it'd take hours splitting the posts up. So go ahead and start an expo one. Considering I was one of the staff there who interacted with the organisers often, I should be able to answer a few questions from the very heart of the matter.


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11 Dec 2008 - 13:188540
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote nadesico81:
Quote MattDark:
To be honest, I think we need a seperate thread for each issue, as this is really branching out into multiple topics of things that annoy us at shows now.


*To all powerfull MOD*

Are we able to move the topics from this thread into a new one/ start a new one? Or is that beyond your Magical MOD Powers?


I could, but it'd take hours splitting the posts up. So go ahead and start an expo one. Considering I was one of the staff there who interacted with the organisers often, I should be able to answer a few questions from the very heart of the matter.


Ok job done thread made


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12 Dec 2008 - 15:458642
BAN THEM! BAN THEM ALLLL!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

But seriously... Theyre avoidable. I really dont like free huggers, but hey, if theyre rude to you BE RUDE BACK!
Im getting way up in arms about it. I WILL tell people where to shove their crappy piece of paper, and Im looking forward to it already xD

Itd be tricky to ban signs altogether, poor expo can never win no matter what they do!


12 Dec 2008 - 17:588652
Quote stripey_dani:
But seriously... Theyre avoidable. I really dont like free huggers, but hey, if theyre rude to you BE RUDE BACK!
Im getting way up in arms about it. I WILL tell people where to shove their crappy piece of paper, and Im looking forward to it already xD


Lol, that makes sense. You should be allowed to be rude back ;D

I say next expo we write numerous signs saying "Free paper" and shove them in their faces for payback ;P [Joking joking, that's killing treeees... even more >_<]

Erm, I have nothing else to say. What a useless post xD; *hides back under a rock*


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