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09 Dec 2008 - 02:328398
I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier, to be honest I cannot be bothered reading the big long posts right now. It's 1.20am, not late for me but for a lot of others so lets pretend I'm ridiculously tired.

Am I the only person that sees such behaviour as attention-seeking? I say this because I actually recognise it. I used to an absolute dick as a teenager. For those that know manchester I was one of the mosher rats that hung around on picadilly gardens, the triangle and urbis. And we used to scream and shout and sing and dance and show off in public all the time because there were loads of us. I used to have a new favourite word every week which I would make fashionable and shout at everyone whilst getting high on mcflurries. I never talked I shouted and whenever there was someone else nearby I would shout "HI! *insert sentence containing new fav word* I don't know you so I don't know why I said that hahahahaha" then the exchange would normally end in a hug. It's a strange system where you show off to strangers and peers to show how friendly and interesting and individual you are by being really extravagant and ott. You comment loudly on everything irrelevant and laugh at everything or slag everything off. Showing off would inevitably cross the line onto things more crude and vulgar even if I didn't know what I was going on about. It's a cockiness that is forced out to make yourself stand out and you often come off as pretentious... well because it is! But interesting thing is, I never acted like that on my own! As an ex-mosher you see very little difference between them and chavs.

So, I see it as bad behaviour that is encouraged in large numbers in an attempt to come across as being more original and more individual and more popular than the next person!


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09 Dec 2008 - 09:018403
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i guess at conventions rather than expos its less common because there are ACTUALLY THINGS TO DO RATHER THAN WANDER ROUND AIMLESSLY WAITING FOR THE MASQUERADE!!!


This. GOD DAMMIT THIS >_<

I honestly never even considered that, but it's true. For cosplayers, you walk into expo, sign up for the masquerade, disappear, come back at 1ish for pre-judging, disappear, come back for the masquerade, go home.

I think a lot of people need more experience of real conventions TBH. Until I went to Amecon I had NO IDEA and now I'm thinking of missing out expos alltogether after May.



Agreed if you been to one Expo you have been to them all. Nothing changes with this event absolutely anything at all. There are better events out there in my opinion then the Expo. London really needs its own Anime Convention, It surprises me that a city as big as London does not have its convention?!?!?!

In addition, when it comes to Glomping ASK FIRST! One of my cosplays was severely damaged from a Glomper even though I said NO!

NO MEANS NO!


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Last edited by nadesico81 (09 Dec 2008 - 09:04)
09 Dec 2008 - 09:198404
Man, I'm only 18 and I'm already like "fucking kids these days!"

I think becoming a cosplayer has matured me a lot. My first expo I was like "wow- free huggers!" but at the next expo (this one actually) I was like "GTFO- no touch my costume."

I think the masquerade makes me take expo more seriously than other people. Or I'm just more considerate to other cosplayers because I know what it's like.

(example, one of my friends saw the cat bus, ran and glomped her. I ripped my friend off her, and appologised profusely. I was kinda embarrassed that she'd actually done that.)


09 Dec 2008 - 12:188411
Quote nadesico81:


In addition, when it comes to Glomping ASK FIRST! One of my cosplays was severely damaged from a Glomper even though I said NO!

NO MEANS NO!



I had this kind of problem at my first Expo. To be fair the girl did ask me if she could glomp me but I didn't know what it meant so I asked. She replied with 'THIS!' and ended up glomping me and damaging my cosplay.
I was polite and laughed it off but I was a bit upset at the time lol


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09 Dec 2008 - 17:408431
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Agreed if you been to one Expo you have been to them all. Nothing changes with this event absolutely anything at all. There are better events out there in my opinion then the Expo. London really needs its own Anime Convention, It surprises me that a city as big as London does not have its convention?!?!?!

In addition, when it comes to Glomping ASK FIRST! One of my cosplays was severely damaged from a Glomper even though I said NO!

NO MEANS NO!


I think that's a bit of a sad thing to say too be honest Expo was my first 'convention' so to speak (I've come across plenty of people who are of the opinion of "Expo doesn't count as a *real* convention" ) and I didn't go to my 'real' convention until the end of last year. Even so, I still get really excited about going to Expos and in cosplay and whatnot. I never compete in the competitions, but I've gone on stage once and one year (I think it was our second time going) myself, Nocturnal and a few of our other friends got invited onto stage while they were judging the other entries!

That's the thing about Expo, although it is all very 'samey' the same stalls, merchandise, competitions and whatnot, there's still a huge amount of fun, intresting and new things that can happen at Expos! Everyone is focusing on the negatives (which I guess is kinda down to the original post and the title and whatnot) but if Expos are all negative, why do people bother going at all and not just go to the 'real' anime conventions?

I know people get annoyed with glompers and free huggers and things, but you can always ignore them, or say no. Expo is a chance just to chill, observe some of the merch or see some of your favourite actors and so on. I'm sorry, but I know for a fact that you wouldn't get to see Christopher Lee at a 'real' anime convention ^^ (I saw him at my very first Expo!) Expo isn't just about anime and video-games after all, its about all aspects of the media. I was so happy at October Expo when I saw a Kevin Smith look-alike that I practically squeed with delight. Again, not something you'd readily see at a typical anime convention.

So although Expos aren't great for those who can't tolerate the lack of maturity about, I for one know I'm still going to go to them and enjoy them and know that a few weeks before hand I will once again get ridiculously excited about going. So please, before you throw all the negative stuff and complain, saying:

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...if you been to one Expo you have been to them all. Nothing changes with this event absolutely anything at all. There are better events out there in my opinion then the Expo.


Please think about the variety and the entertainment that Expo holds. There is more to it than just milling around, its just a shame not everyone seems to see it that way ^^;.


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09 Dec 2008 - 22:458457
Yes the Expo changes voice actors, guests etc. However the general setup and format does not change hardly. There is not much variety between the expos. They tend to hold the same events each time. You ask Is the expo getting better yes however they have a long way to go.

I have been to Anime, Manga and ScFi events the world over. I have been to just about every expo since Oct 06 and not much changes. I do enjoy the expo however other Anime events have more to do.

As I said before Anime fans and cosplayers show up to the Expo since London Lacks its own Anime Convention.


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Last edited by nadesico81 (09 Dec 2008 - 22:46)
09 Dec 2008 - 23:368469
Does that matter if the general set up does not change? Expo is pretty good at what it does - I mean if it gets 30,000 people to come to it surely something must be doing right! And yes, the events stay the same, though again, is that much of a problem? True, its mostly a big dealers room with a masquerade and so on at the end of the day, but there's still plenty to do, like the drawing area, seeing/greeting/autographing guests, DDR, playing on the games consoles just to name a few. Not to mention the time to go get lunch and hang out with friends. Its the same stuff, like I say, but there's still plenty of variety.

Also, if you've been to conventions the world over and seem so knowledgable on that fact, yet so desperately want a convention of that sort in London, why don't you try sorting out a convention yourself? ^^ It might work?

I think the only reason people are put off by it though is London prices. I know people were a bit iffy with the Grand Cosplay Ball, and that was just for an evening! I think London prices may be just a bit too much for a full Anime Convention!


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10 Dec 2008 - 00:268472
I will say this about expo, I met some great people through it. HOWEVER...

It's the same every time. The merchandise is even more expensive than on the dealer's own websites. I stand around all day waiting for the masquerade (and many others do as well). They treat cosplayers poorly.

That's not to say that the expo isn't fun. But I think after May, I won't be attending again. And that's not even the personal stuff I've been through with them.


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10 Dec 2008 - 01:538479
What I find interesting is this.

First expo - Had fun.
Second Expo - Had fun.
Expo's as part of Cosplay team - Don't Count.
Expo's up until the last one - Didn't enjoy.
Last expo - Thoroughly enjoyed!

As for Expo being the same, yes the stalls are the same but one thing I will say is that the Gaming section is really coming on now.

I didn't get a chance to, but at October they had playable versions of Dead Space, Prince of Persia (first playable demo!) and a bunch of other awesome top titles.

There *is* stuff to do at Expo, but you need to be able to take time to do it. As a cosplayer, it can be pretty hard to find that time sadly.

I was disappointed that Wizards of the Coast weren't there this year, I was hoping to sit down and play through a game of D&D. D:

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Expo is a commercial event, it's current formula makes a lot of money (which is what they are aiming to do). It isn't a fan made convention so they don't *need* to keep things fresh.

I think it's important to do these two things when going to Expo:

1) Don't have any expectations. Don't expect it to be awesome or crap, just go and see how it feels.

2) Make time to hang out with friends, browse the stalls and even take some R&R to play a game or two OUT OF COSTUME.

I watched the masquerade this year, on the Sunday, I just sat down in the audience and *watched it*. It was a refreshing change.

Maybe the event won't change, but you can change your own approach to it. Spend a day not cosplaying, watch the masquerade instead of being in it, play some games or go see one of the guests.

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One thing I desperately miss though is comparing for the masquerade.

I *reallllllyyyy* enjoyed doing that when I was part of the Cosplay Team. James was very tolerant with me as whilst I wasn't a bad compare, I was pretty bad at the organisational stuff. XD

I'm going to help out at the cosplay desk more in May, in-between doing some recording and promotion for the website.

(Speaking of which, we need to bug Perrin about sorting out the October video!)

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10 Dec 2008 - 09:348486
Quote Monkey:


Also, if you've been to conventions the world over and seem so knowledgable on that fact, yet so desperately want a convention of that sort in London, why don't you try sorting out a convention yourself? ^^ It might work?


Thanks for the nice words, however I am American as most of my friends know or if you read my profile. I only live here and work here at the request of your government. However, in response to your comment, yes the tides are turning for London to host an anime event. However, the details are in the infancy stages right now and it may be quite some time.

The British tax laws make an Anime event with no attendance cap very hard to do. That is one of the primary reasons why there are NO large scale Anime Conventions over 1,000 people here in the UK. Most large events have corporate/company backing and plenty of money to pay the VAT and fees that come with an event of that sort. In the states the tax rules and laws are diffrent.

--Anyways back on topic since this post could be a thread of its own.


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10 Dec 2008 - 12:078489
Personally I enjoy the Expos as a chance to wear more western film/TV/comic based costumes. These seem to be fighting back a bit more lately and it was wonderful to see enough western based entries to have their own category at the last Expo (end even original designs) It is a media, rather than anime, expo after all.

I did find the Expo format got old quickly after the first few, but since then I have worked on the cosplay stand so the days really fly by and there's hardly any free time. It was really different (and stress free XD) to watch the masquerade for once and I was able to enjoy it from a different angle!

I do always find I get home from an Expo and hear about all the events people went to...that I hadn't noticed at all. It's a very big room and not very clearly timetabled, so there's a lot more happening through the day than it first seems. There are also many many people to talk to

Can you imagine if they did the stage setup the peace conference had for the Expo masquerade? Now that would be the biggest show ever.

Edit: I seem to have followed the offtopic-ness, sorry



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10 Dec 2008 - 12:418490
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I've been brought up to be very quiet, respectful (to those that deserve it) and pay attention to my language.

Miiol, you are one of the most polite people I know!

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the only people i have ever had a problem with at expos are the free huggers, and that is only because i have had 2 costumes broken because of them even after i said no, at my first expo i was aware before hand that they was the whold free hug thing and wasnt too thrilled at the idea of being felt up by a complete stranger so i took a proactive approach and said that i would make stickers for those the were up for it and others for giving out when you got glomped, seemed lik a good idea so the stickers were made and everyone agreed not to glomp those without a target

sadly now i have a no tollerance attitude towards them, an agressive no get the hell away from me is given to everyone who asks now because after having my donald break beyond repair when i gave a polite no thankyou i dont want anymore cons or expos wrecked by people who are too rude to think about how some people have spent months making something and dont want it smached to smitherines

Oh, how frustrating! Thankfully my costumes haven't been so delicate but regardless of how much time and effort we may spend on a costume - or even if we're not in cosplay! - if we don't want to be hugged - just get the message and leave us alone!

I've only been to three Expos and at first I thought the free huggers were quite sweet. I didn't see many of them at first. But before long I realised that they're like ants and they're everywhere and I soon got irked by them because you couldn't move without a random stranger grabbing you and throwing their arms around you. Go away!!!

Now don't get me wrong, I love a hug - there is nothing quite like it. Mmmm! But honestly, the free huggers at these events are just not understanding the pleasure of it

To be honest I don't get what it's about. It isn't a competition. It isn't a case of who can see who gets the most hugs (I understand some placards had tally charts on the back of them!). Expo isn't about hugs! Neither is it about free snogs or even free rapes that were seen on placards at October! WTF?!??

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But my point is- would you ever even consider touching someone dressed up as a character if you'd just met them on the street?


Hm.. actually on that point I don't think it's so black and white - not in that it's fine to go around and molest people without permission or warning - but I don't think putting an arm around their shoulders for a single photo is that uncommon, expo-goers or not..

I do think people should ask first or at least make it obvious they'd like to - so you can stop them before they go ahead if you're uncomfortable with it - invasion of personal space is not fun, but I don't think people in general see it as any different from getting a photo with some giant mascot at disneyland.. They want a photo of them with your character, not a photo of them standing awkwardly at a respectful distance from them, essentially.. There are right and wrong ways to go about doing it though -_-


I figure the easiest way to dissuade if you're in a costume like Ivy is take the initiative when asked and pull off a pose that involves them but doesn't invite their touch XD Much like the Stormtrooper guys, mock-threaten them with weapons for the camera or something. Or if they're already moving in to get a photo with you, stand behind them rather than beside them and loom, no room for unwelcome hands there

That's my take anyway..

I'd agree. Despite the guy that Silver mentioned (who sounds genuine) I would like to encourage the total ban on free huggers - and their annoying placards which they often forget they're carrying and instead they run past you to glomp someone and you get doinked by their placard because they're waving it around like a mad person

Getting a photo of you in costume is fine, as long as the person is a fan of the character you are cosplaying.

Slightly connected : at October Expo I had a short skirt and cropped top on (as per Tifa Lockhart) and when I asked Greg Grunberg for a photo he instantly obliged and put his arm around me - what's different about that than a Disney mascot or a cosplayer. It's just a nice gesture to show friendliness for a photo. As long as [physical contact] doesn't damage the costume then it's fine. But then you'd assume that if the person is polite and genuine enough to ask for a photo, then they are kind enough to appreciate the work that's gone into your costume and hence they'd be careful with it.

Crikey. Long post.


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10 Dec 2008 - 13:248497
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Slightly connected : at October Expo I had a short skirt and cropped top on (as per Tifa Lockhart) and when I asked Greg Grunberg for a photo he instantly obliged and put his arm around me - what's different about that than a Disney mascot or a cosplayer. It's just a nice gesture to show friendliness for a photo. As long as [physical contact] doesn't damage the costume then it's fine. But then you'd assume that if the person is polite and genuine enough to ask for a photo, then they are kind enough to appreciate the work that's gone into your costume and hence they'd be careful with it.

Crikey. Long post.


I was kinda going for posing for a photo as being different to people coming over and asking for a hug. I have no problem people putting their arms around me for a photo, especially as most do it quite gently when there are delicate costumes involved. I think that's a lot different to someone randomly putting their arm around me as I'm walking along though LOL

And again, if someone wants to hug me, they can ask and almost always get a hug. Just don't wave a sign in my face, scream Free Hugs at me and then swear at me when I say no LOL

Or hug me and then turn to your friend and go "that's 257 hugs today! I'm beating you now!" ¬_¬ True story. LOL


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10 Dec 2008 - 19:448512
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Is this a reflection on the youth of today (lesser respect for those around them), the backlash of fans breaking away from the 'geek' name (overcompensation of extroversion to 'prove' that they are not antisocial) or is it just a new way for teens to display their sense of self?


I dont think
this reflects the youth of today.
there is only a small minority of people
that choose to act unappropriatly.

I think its just people trying to have a good time.


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Quote firedaemon:


Is this a reflection on the youth of today (lesser respect for those around them), the backlash of fans breaking away from the 'geek' name (overcompensation of extroversion to 'prove' that they are not antisocial) or is it just a new way for teens to display their sense of self?


I dont think
this reflects the youth of today.
there is only a small minority of people
that choose to act unappropriatly.

I think its just people trying to have a good time.


Isn't that the point? That young people have a completely different definition of fun than those who are more mature? (Damn it, I'm only 21 >_<

But then I have to admit that there are people my age and older who join them in their hyperactive shennanigans.


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10 Dec 2008 - 21:088519
Quote DeathGodsEatApples:
Quote firedaemon:


Is this a reflection on the youth of today (lesser respect for those around them), the backlash of fans breaking away from the 'geek' name (overcompensation of extroversion to 'prove' that they are not antisocial) or is it just a new way for teens to display their sense of self?


I dont think
this reflects the youth of today.
there is only a small minority of people
that choose to act unappropriatly.

I think its just people trying to have a good time.


There's having fun, and then there's a step too far.
Well you might find my example a bit extreme, but it can show how people would get a bad impression of fans:

I find that the DLR tends to be looked at by quite a few people as the 'Expo train'. You get a lot of cosplayers coming and going from expo via that route, so people feel they're in a safe environment to be a bit more... fan-ish. So you know to expect a bit of hyper-activity.
However, this one time when I was leaving Expo, there were a group of people who had also left, and they were mucking about with face paint, but it wasn't particularly bothering anyone.
Then one girl started jumping off and on the train at each station, which was rather annoying (and you kind of wished the doors would shut behind her).
Then (and I don't know what happened between her an her friends, whether it was a dare, or she was just an idiot) she started acting like she'd gone crazy and pretending to cry and knocking against the see-through panelling next to a foreign couple who looked really uncomfortable.
My friends and I were actually too shocked initially to do anything, since it seemed that nobody would actually be so ... weird in public for no good reason.

This might be an extreme case, but it still doesn't reflect well on other people in costume.

To be fair the number of unasked for glomps has (in my case) decreased, tho people do still come up asking for hugs and tell me they'll cry if I don't... as though I'm supposed to care.


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10 Dec 2008 - 23:498521
I always sound like an old woman when complaining about 'the youth of today at conventions' and I'm not that old either. Yes a lot of things bother me, but as long as it's not completely shoved in my face I'm fairly happy to just smile and nod and leave people to it.

One thing I think makes people's behaviour worse is definitely the idea of the 'common behaviour' at conventions.

When I first started going to conventions (oh here we go, "back in the day.." *shakes walking stick*) I was pretty much part of the youngest crowd and surrounded by a lot of older people. I would have felt odd doing something 'rowdy' because it would be completely out of place. Also free hugs/signs/glompers/everything that people now associate with Expo behaviour just wasn't part of the convention, so I wasn't exposed to it.

However, if one of the last Expo's had been my first convention I would have thought that the behaviour at those events was common - as in that's what people do at conventions. Okay I'm a pretty reserved character so I don't think I'd have gotten into the whole glomping/free hugs thing either, but I can see why people can easily get into it - if that's what everyone else is doing, it suddenly seems okay?

Of course it's not, and that's why we grumble about it on forums like this! As such I think it's less of an age/generation issue, but more of the idea of when people actually started going to conventions. (As it's pointed out, there are young fans horrified at certain behaviour, and older fans who join in!)

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11 Dec 2008 - 12:158531
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Man, I'm only 18 and I'm already like "fucking kids these days!"

I think becoming a cosplayer has matured me a lot. My first expo I was like "wow- free huggers!" but at the next expo (this one actually) I was like "GTFO- no touch my costume."

I think the masquerade makes me take expo more seriously than other people. Or I'm just more considerate to other cosplayers because I know what it's like.

(example, one of my friends saw the cat bus, ran and glomped her. I ripped my friend off her, and appologised profusely. I was kinda embarrassed that she'd actually done that.)


DUDE! totaly im 19 and when people are like GLOMP im like FALCON PUNCH!!! or...roy mustang punch!!! i guess going to many many many cons gives you a kind of rapid mature rate ^.^ i went to an american con and it was like mega over the top O_o i come back here to ame/fuyu and im saddened to see pretty much the same behaviour im all for having a good time (cromartie high quote right there) but you know everything in moderation


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Man, I'm only 18 and I'm already like "fucking kids these days!"

I think becoming a cosplayer has matured me a lot. My first expo I was like "wow- free huggers!" but at the next expo (this one actually) I was like "GTFO- no touch my costume."

I think the masquerade makes me take expo more seriously than other people. Or I'm just more considerate to other cosplayers because I know what it's like.

(example, one of my friends saw the cat bus, ran and glomped her. I ripped my friend off her, and appologised profusely. I was kinda embarrassed that she'd actually done that.)


DUDE! totaly im 19 and when people are like GLOMP im like FALCON PUNCH!!! or...roy mustang punch!!! i guess going to many many many cons gives you a kind of rapid mature rate ^.^ i went to an american con and it was like mega over the top O_o i come back here to ame/fuyu and im saddened to see pretty much the same behaviour im all for having a good time (cromartie high quote right there) but you know everything in moderation


Cool what American con did you go too?


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11 Dec 2008 - 14:298547
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Quote ryukredapples:
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Man, I'm only 18 and I'm already like "fucking kids these days!"

I think becoming a cosplayer has matured me a lot. My first expo I was like "wow- free huggers!" but at the next expo (this one actually) I was like "GTFO- no touch my costume."

I think the masquerade makes me take expo more seriously than other people. Or I'm just more considerate to other cosplayers because I know what it's like.

(example, one of my friends saw the cat bus, ran and glomped her. I ripped my friend off her, and appologised profusely. I was kinda embarrassed that she'd actually done that.)


DUDE! totaly im 19 and when people are like GLOMP im like FALCON PUNCH!!! or...roy mustang punch!!! i guess going to many many many cons gives you a kind of rapid mature rate ^.^ i went to an american con and it was like mega over the top O_o i come back here to ame/fuyu and im saddened to see pretty much the same behaviour im all for having a good time (cromartie high quote right there) but you know everything in moderation


Cool what American con did you go too?


it was a teeny tiny con in florida it was actually pretty fun ^.^ there where still like nearly 2 thousand peeps there


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11 Dec 2008 - 15:408553
Haha, I'm pretty sure that teens will eventually grow out of their irritating behaviour, only to be replaced with yet more teens/newbs who feel that being in a group of idiots gives them license to make a fool of themselves. It's the circle of life...

I think I remember talking to someone at a manga workshop I ran at a library last year, she told me that her little sister would have loved to attend, but their mum was really angry, because "anime changed her" XD LOL, you mean, being a teenager and finding just a common interest with others has not got anything to do with it?

Expo seems to get a pretty bad rap for this simply because it's a free-for-all event. If you've ever been to the younger age anime cons (Tokonatsu, for example), there is some pretty juvenile behaviour there too. And that's cause they're actually juvenile. Not an excuse to condone their behaviour, but a reason.

But yeah - I've been to Expos since they began the anime/manga element in May 2005. And I've had fun at all of them, particularly at the last one - they do listen to feedback and have done great things with layout and getting more games onboard and integration of genres.

But as with all events - you should enjoy it for what it is and be proactive about making sure you have fun ^^ Plan your day in advance, put together a shopping list, check out whose stalls you need to drop by and grab a timetable so you know what's happening and when. Do the same at any anime convention.

My experiences abroad (Anime Boston, AniMagic in Koblenz) is that even with age limits, there will be idiots with no personal space T_T;;

And practise your angry face / baleful glare to use on potential glompers. Or work behind a stall so they can't get too close, hehe.


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13 Dec 2008 - 05:578677
*post from the old fart point of view*

I've been attending events since 1992 and a lot has changed. I don't think its just to do with me moving from sci-fi conventions to anime conventions. You see when I first started I was one of the young crowd and I was well behaved. There was none of the loudness or mad behaviour. I only discovered the fangirl type of fan when I attened 'Buffy' evenst in the mid 90's. Even with the James Martsters screaming fan crowd there was still some manners. I'm now finding that the anime con scene unconfortable with all the 'free hugs' and glompers. I don't get why people find it fun. I for one prefer not to be glomped especially with my own personal bad history with a stalker.

I do think its possible to have fun without resorting to the free hug and glomp behaviour. I'm sure that there are some very nice teens out there who do have the good sense to know how to behave in a public event. Its a shame that so many can let the side down.

Princess Mark, I so would of joined you in a game of D&D if Wizards of the Coast where there. Then again I still ahve my orginal 80's copy of the game.


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14 Dec 2008 - 12:018699
I attended Expo as a Sci Fi fan and to hear people say about the cosplayers walking in, walking out and coming back solely for the masquerade is a shame - the format has changed a lot however I will say the guest list has gotten worse.

I bet if you really think abiut it, theres a lot there you havent seen or took part in. Personally its a glorified tradeshow similar to Collectormania, LFCC and Memoribilia (even moreso now >< and the main reason these young anime Yaoi addictives are running around like plebs is that expo was never designed to cater for them. It was aimed at serious collecters, fans, autograph hunters etc. The cosplay aspect when I first attended was mainly Sci Fi/TV based and now, theres more bright orange jumpsuits than you care for ><

Anime conventions mostly are for ages 16 and over so these youngsters have nowhere else to express this joy at seeing so many likeminded people and are so keen to make friends, they will follow the pack. Also, think about it - at 16 did you have the money to spend spend spend in these events as I know I didnt so they will loiter outside chosing to take part in free activities and will entertain themselves. If mum and dad drop you at 9 and pick you up at 5, thats a lot of time to fill.

Most of the younger anime gen will not stay at the hotels til 17 and then, shock horro, this sudden freedom!!!! When I got it at 17, I went off the rails and must have been so annoying.

Im not condoning it but saying have some understanding - most of us and them are/were social rejects - we now have our established groups of friends and they want the same so will be "displaying their plumage" to get attention and be accepted.

That said, glomps should be banned - had my nose fractured from a glomp O.o Fox McCloud does not want!!!


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14 Dec 2008 - 21:348715
Ive never been to an expo
1-not that many things to do
2-london
3-too many people

Ive havnt even considered going to an Expo since theres a ton of people who attend and no age limit.
The last under 16 event I went to was Wildercon '04 when I was 18. Tokonatsu is what its called now but Ive never been back there because of the teens that go ¬_¬ and....teens+alcohol=bad news.
I used to go out and do the whole underage drinking and being happy and hypyeractive that I was with people who were interested in the same things (posh all girls school girls dont like anime D< ) Now its all about seeing my friends, just enjoying the Con and maybe finding some random Sailor Moon/Gothic Lolita items XD


18 Dec 2008 - 16:198826
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This person probably stands up and proudly states how "different" they are, wearing their individuality like a suit of armour.


Sometimes, literally a suit of armour. XD


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