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06 Dec 2008 - 00:048275
@BadAssUke: I think you've missed the point of what everyone has been saying of YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION DOES NOT BEAR RELEVANCE ON YOUR COSPLAY

If people say bad things about homosexual cosplayers it is the same for if they are not cosplayers.
In regards to cosplay, people just dont want to have t9o watch people 'getting it on' with the excuse of 'it's for cosplay fun'.
People also dont want to see non-cosplay people groping each other in public.

If you have enough manners and common sense to not do it on a public bus, don't do it at an Expo and expect everyone to think you're awesome


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06 Dec 2008 - 00:498278
This board doesn't have a lock feature...so I must admit I'm tempted to delete this entire thread :-\ Some things are getting out of hand and TBH I'm expecting flaming soon.


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06 Dec 2008 - 01:388279
mmm, where I'm seeing the potential for healthy discussion.

Why not change the op to something along the lines of

'Hi, I'm bisexual and was just wondering what the L/B/G society is like in the British cosplay scene? Did you find that the openness and acceptance of the cosplay crowd helped bring you out of the closet or did you find that cosplay interested you as someone who was already out? Would you say it affects your costumes or cosplay aspirations at all? Probably your sexuality has nothing to do with your cosplay at all, I'm just interested in seeing if there's a link up ^^. Would also be interested in hearing opinions from Transgender or GenderDisphorics, hetro or gay.'

Or something as equally inquisitive and non-confrontational?


06 Dec 2008 - 18:148284
Quote Oz:
HIYA GUYS IM A BIG ATTENTION SEEKER WHO POSTS THINGS TO GET PEOPLES ATTENTION LIKE THE FACT THAT IM BI SO DUDES THINK I KISS GIRLS AND THEN THINK ABOUT IT AND WANT TO CHAT TO ME AND I MIGHT NOT EVEN BE BI AND THAT MIGHT EVEN BE AN ATTENTION SEEKING ACT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE MY MUMMY AND DADDY DID NOT HUG ME ENOUGH SO I FEEL THE NEED TO POST ON FORUMS LIKE THIS ONE (*frandan*) TEE HEE HEE


Yeah thanks for that.
i think you'd better get to know a person a bit better before you make statements like that.
for a start, i actuly have a very loving family and im quite well of thanks.
Next, going to your thing about how im hardly Bi, well actuly, no im not really bi. im actuly more lesbian, but i hid that fact seeing as i dont want to be looked down on. Also, The amount of girls ive kissed and so on towers over the amount of guys.
Im NOTand attention seeker, infact, im very very far from it, in person, im very shy when confrounted with new people, and at expo and so on, im one of them people that sticks with the few people i came with.

I actuly posted this because i wondered if i was the only person that was looked down on by people when in a costume and are with there partner, who is crossplaying to the same gender as you, or the same gender as you.
and obviously going by your misjudgement, some of us are very looked down on.


06 Dec 2008 - 18:168285
Quote Mocara:
mmm, where I'm seeing the potential for healthy discussion.

Why not change the op to something along the lines of

'Hi, I'm bisexual and was just wondering what the L/B/G society is like in the British cosplay scene? Did you find that the openness and acceptance of the cosplay crowd helped bring you out of the closet or did you find that cosplay interested you as someone who was already out? Would you say it affects your costumes or cosplay aspirations at all? Probably your sexuality has nothing to do with your cosplay at all, I'm just interested in seeing if there's a link up ^^. Would also be interested in hearing opinions from Transgender or GenderDisphorics, hetro or gay.'

Or something as equally inquisitive and non-confrontational?


if it makes life easyer for admins and people... less ofended [see post above] ill happily do that


06 Dec 2008 - 18:598287
Please do. That way it'll be more of an open discussion.


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06 Dec 2008 - 19:258289
i hope thats resolved it


06 Dec 2008 - 21:388296
@neko: I'm not meaning to flame you or anything, and I'm not offering you any advice that I expect you to take. However, I'd just like to point out something that other people may find to be attention seeking and thus put you at a disadvantage in this discussion:

"Im Takk, Cant spell,I Iz Bi , Over confident With an extreamly pervy and yaoi based mind."

Apart from the fact that in your cosplay bio you seem to have a reasonable level of spelling, saying I iz Bi looks like you're trying to make a statement.
Usually people don't announce their sexuality in their own profile, unless there's a specific field for it. This doesn't mean you can't write it, but people make an assumption that you want people to know it for a reason.
This is the internet, but it is also a public profile. So it's a bit like introducing yourself: "Hi, I'm xxx, I'm a heterosexual", just leaves people with a bit of a wtf was that for feeling


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06 Dec 2008 - 22:048298
Quote firedaemon:
@neko: I'm not meaning to flame you or anything, and I'm not offering you any advice that I expect you to take. However, I'd just like to point out something that other people may find to be attention seeking and thus put you at a disadvantage in this discussion:

"Im Takk, Cant spell,I Iz Bi , Over confident With an extreamly pervy and yaoi based mind."

Apart from the fact that in your cosplay bio you seem to have a reasonable level of spelling, saying I iz Bi looks like you're trying to make a statement.
Usually people don't announce their sexuality in their own profile, unless there's a specific field for it. This doesn't mean you can't write it, but people make an assumption that you want people to know it for a reason.
This is the internet, but it is also a public profile. So it's a bit like introducing yourself: "Hi, I'm xxx, I'm a heterosexual", just leaves people with a bit of a wtf was that for feeling


i know its like that... i just really cant be bothered to change it ^^;
i spose i really should... and ill do that in a mo,
but i did write it quite a while ago, and seeing as i dont remember writing it... well, drink posbily involved? anyways, im simply making up excuses for myself xD its been like that for ages, and the only reason its like that is cause i could be bothered to change it


07 Dec 2008 - 11:458308
Quote Neko-Chan:
and obviously going by your misjudgement, some of us are very looked down on.


Nope, just you. I'm making a judgement based entirely on the post you made and openly and obviously satirically stereotyping an attention seeker. Whether or not I'm correct about the reasons behind attention seeking is not the issue, I was mocking you... The only thing that rings true is that you're merely seeking attention. Why did I feel the need to explain that in detail?

This thread is pretty much a bad idea. It doesn't matter if you're an attention seeker in real life or not, this is the Internet, where you've got an audience, you've got the safety net, and you've got a *relative* level of anonymity in that people are likely to not actually find you and you cannot therefore be harmed. I point you towards John Gabriel's Greater Internet [...] Theory for an example.

It doesn't matter what sexuality you are. I care about as much as I care what cereal you had in the morning, in fact I probably care more about that since I could be like "OMG I like sugar puffs too", but I wouldn't say "OMG I'm hetero too!".

There should be a level of "I don't think that the 'civilians' [non-'otaku'] who go to anime cons are perhaps going to be ok with this if I kiss this guy/girl passionately for ages", but that really does not depend on your sexuality. Those are probably the disgusting looks you're getting. You're mistaking them for anything to do with your sexuality.

And regarding an earlier statement, if someone would not let you past until you kissed them, a forceful but non-damaging shove would have gone a long way there. Maybe you have assertiveness issues too if you let people sexually force themselves upon you in such ways. Or maybe you enjoy blatant sexual behaviour in the public eye so didn't fight the issue. *shrug*



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07 Dec 2008 - 12:228309
Quote Oz:
Quote Neko-Chan:
and obviously going by your misjudgement, some of us are very looked down on.


Nope, just you. I'm making a judgement based entirely on the post you made and openly and obviously satirically stereotyping an attention seeker. Whether or not I'm correct about the reasons behind attention seeking is not the issue, I was mocking you... The only thing that rings true is that you're merely seeking attention. Why did I feel the need to explain that in detail?

This thread is pretty much a bad idea. It doesn't matter if you're an attention seeker in real life or not, this is the Internet, where you've got an audience, you've got the safety net, and you've got a *relative* level of anonymity in that people are likely to not actually find you and you cannot therefore be harmed. I point you towards John Gabriel's Greater Internet [...] Theory for an example.

It doesn't matter what sexuality you are. I care about as much as I care what cereal you had in the morning, in fact I probably care more about that since I could be like "OMG I like sugar puffs too", but I wouldn't say "OMG I'm hetero too!".

There should be a level of "I don't think that the 'civilians' [non-'otaku'] who go to anime cons are perhaps going to be ok with this if I kiss this guy/girl passionately for ages", but that really does not depend on your sexuality. Those are probably the disgusting looks you're getting. You're mistaking them for anything to do with your sexuality.

And regarding an earlier statement, if someone would not let you past until you kissed them, a forceful but non-damaging shove would have gone a long way there. Maybe you have assertiveness issues too if you let people sexually force themselves upon you in such ways. Or maybe you enjoy blatant sexual behaviour in the public eye so didn't fight the issue. *shrug*


You know what, i cant actuly be bothered to make a resonse to that, because to be quite frank, i know myself that im not an attention seeker, and going by the attempt of a fight you seem to be putting across makes me think maybe its the other way round. and the reason i wanted to make this post was simply to see how people are affected by gender prefurences when in costume, i.e a girl going to expo with there girlfriend, but obiviously i should have made that a bit clearer.
How you can judge a person by a simple post i will never know, and going to the ''likely not to find you'' actuly, at mcm expo and so on, when im with friends who also come on this site, we will see people from this site and will be like ''oh hey! its that person from CI'' so with any luck ill meet you one day and prove my point. IN PERSON.


07 Dec 2008 - 12:518312
Quote BadAssUke:
i hate it then people say nasty or unaproperate things about gay/lesbian/bi cosplayers or when people act out yaoi or yuri
i see nothing wrong with it to be completly honest i mean if you dont like it, then dont look and anyway if a cosplayer want to do that, or find it fun 2 do that, who the hell is anyone eles to tell them its wrong?


As said before, no-one minds as long as it's not you doing anything that wouldn't usually be seen as acceptable in public. If you just pose kissing for a photo, there's nothing wrong with that. Anyone is entitled to tell them it's wrong though if it crosses the boundries of good taste, and what's considered acceptable in public. This includes but is not limited to: groping, kissing with tongues, humping, wrestling people to the floor for a kiss, free hugs. Take it back to the hotel room as there's no need to do it in public apart from for attention.

One such example I can think of was that rediculous thread about the planned public yaoi wedding a while back. I can't remember who suggested it but somehow there was a lot of interest in it. Now, gathering at a busy public train station on one of the busiest day of the weeks for a fake gay wedding between 2 fictional characters is a stupid idea at the best of times. Gay wedding or not, a bunch of people playing dress up in a busy place and pretending to get married is going to grind anyones gears. It's not because it's gay, it's because it's a stupid idea that should be done at your house, in your garden.

That's an extreme example yes, but it actually happened and as such is a good example of the kind of stupid things that we see. If the OTT anime fans learnt some social awareness then they'd not get looked down on and called names, and everyone would be happier.


TL;DR - It's not because of the sexuality of who you're cosplaying that you're getting called names, it's just because you're acting like socially unaware idiots.

Quote Neko-Chan's Profile:
For The Record, Im FAAAAAR From An Attention Seeker.
Im Easily Targeted By Harsh Comments, Cause I Take Most Things To Heart.


It's not 22 different sentances so less capital letters please. I'd remove the first bit though about not being an attention seeker as it doesn't help your case. I'm not flaming, I'm being sensible. Just write something normal about yourself like 'Hey guys, I like animes such as xxx, xxxx, and xx. I also do xxxxx in my spare time and go to x a lot. I go to xxxxxx a lot and maybe some of us can meet up!'

No need to write about your sexuality, or draw flames!



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07 Dec 2008 - 13:028314
Quote Wighty:


Quote Neko-Chan's Profile:
For The Record, Im FAAAAAR From An Attention Seeker.
Im Easily Targeted By Harsh Comments, Cause I Take Most Things To Heart.


It's not 22 different sentances so less capital letters please. I'd remove the first bit though about not being an attention seeker as it doesn't help your case. I'm not flaming, I'm being sensible. Just write something normal about yourself like 'Hey guys, I like animes such as xxx, xxxx, and xx. I also do xxxxx in my spare time and go to x a lot. I go to xxxxxx a lot and maybe some of us can meet up!'

No need to write about your sexuality, or draw flames!


i dont think much

maybe i should change it to that?
Hey! i will ^^


07 Dec 2008 - 14:438316
Quote Neko-Chan:
Quote Oz:
Quote Neko-Chan:
and obviously going by your misjudgement, some of us are very looked down on.


Nope, just you. I'm making a judgement based entirely on the post you made and openly and obviously satirically stereotyping an attention seeker. Whether or not I'm correct about the reasons behind attention seeking is not the issue, I was mocking you... The only thing that rings true is that you're merely seeking attention. Why did I feel the need to explain that in detail?

This thread is pretty much a bad idea. It doesn't matter if you're an attention seeker in real life or not, this is the Internet, where you've got an audience, you've got the safety net, and you've got a *relative* level of anonymity in that people are likely to not actually find you and you cannot therefore be harmed. I point you towards John Gabriel's Greater Internet [...] Theory for an example.

It doesn't matter what sexuality you are. I care about as much as I care what cereal you had in the morning, in fact I probably care more about that since I could be like "OMG I like sugar puffs too", but I wouldn't say "OMG I'm hetero too!".

There should be a level of "I don't think that the 'civilians' [non-'otaku'] who go to anime cons are perhaps going to be ok with this if I kiss this guy/girl passionately for ages", but that really does not depend on your sexuality. Those are probably the disgusting looks you're getting. You're mistaking them for anything to do with your sexuality.

And regarding an earlier statement, if someone would not let you past until you kissed them, a forceful but non-damaging shove would have gone a long way there. Maybe you have assertiveness issues too if you let people sexually force themselves upon you in such ways. Or maybe you enjoy blatant sexual behaviour in the public eye so didn't fight the issue. *shrug*


You know what, i cant actuly be bothered to make a resonse to that, because to be quite frank, i know myself that im not an attention seeker, and going by the attempt of a fight you seem to be putting across makes me think maybe its the other way round. and the reason i wanted to make this post was simply to see how people are affected by gender prefurences when in costume, i.e a girl going to expo with there girlfriend, but obiviously i should have made that a bit clearer.
How you can judge a person by a simple post i will never know, and going to the ''likely not to find you'' actuly, at mcm expo and so on, when im with friends who also come on this site, we will see people from this site and will be like ''oh hey! its that person from CI'' so with any luck ill meet you one day and prove my point. IN PERSON.


I can judge a person by a post because it's an action.

I'm not judging on looks, race, sexuality, colour, creed or roots, I'm judging you on your actions and statements through those actions.

Personally, I think that's best way to judge a person. If you judge a person a different way, then you end up being racist, sexist, or whatever.

I was basing my belief of your wish for attention off of the "online disinhibition effect" that was studied by John Suler (2004) in a Cyberpsychology and Behaviour journal (also colloquially known as John Gabriel's Greater Internet [...] Theory). I suggest you look it up. It really doesn't matter what you're like in real life, as the anonymity of a web pseudonym affects what you're like on the internet. Sure, your friends will see what you're saying, but they're your friends, they have context and know you, and can more easily parse statements made.

Please note: I am also probably being affected by the Online Disinhibition Effect by making these posts. It may be that I would be less harsh in reality, but my opinion would remain the same. I believe that you're (conciously or otherwise) displaying these signs and you should take a good look at how you display statements and threads like these.

1. Wearing a costume has zero affect on your sexuality.
2. Your sexuality might have an affect on the costumes you choose, but I'm not really sure.
3. In regards to overt displays of extreme sexual affection in public, howabout you don't do it because it's socially awkward for others around you, regardless of gender.
4. Get a spine when it comes to being bullied into performing sexual acts by others. This statement may be extreme, but it's what happens! This is not merely aimed at you. If someone wants you to "yaoi" them, or whatever, tell them to get a life and stop being the extraverted attention-seeking idiots they are.
5. I want to make this very clear! - I (and nearly everyone else here) don't give a shit about your sexuality.
6. This post is based on the original opening post, rather than the one now, which makes me seem like a bit of an arse if taken out of context.



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07 Dec 2008 - 15:178318
Quote Neko-Chan:
Theres a A now Miiol
But... I was enjoying the e! XD

Also, by your posts and interests, etc, I'm guessing you're about 13/14. I think a lot of people at this age feel that their sexuality defines them (I'm only saying this as a lot of your posts consist of "I'm bi" and "Don't shun me for watching yuri" and so on; a lot of my friends at that age were the same, especially when they just came out - something that helped some of them were attending local LGB youth groups. Maybe this will help you?) but by the time you are about 16 you will be able to realise that it's not the main and most important thing about you. It's your personality and hobbies and so on that draw people to you. Don't pigeonhole yourself so young!

As to the new topic, I think this community is much more accepting than many others, but I have no experiences with such, but I know that my friends in the "cosplay scene" that are gay/bi/whatever feel much more relaxed and accepted than some friends not involved.

Quote Hypnic_Jerk:
miiol & 1000014: I just looked at your virgil and dante, you both looked great
OMG, thank you so much sweetie! One of our friends even snapped an epic LOMANTIKU pose which we covered in diffuse glow and airbrushing for that X-(tra gay anime) FACTOR. But these girls kept asking us to "get close" wtf, Dante's one true love is PIZZA. Also himself. And his mum. And anything with boobs... LOL One girl told me Dante was "uke" and I replied "YEAH! ALLLLRIGHT! " and it took everyone 10 minutes to explain to me she didn't say "Dante was OKAY", damn, I thought she was admitting Dante was cool! Next time Gadget...! Hahaha!!

Quote firedaemon:
In regards to cosplay, people just dont want to have t9o watch people 'getting it on' with the excuse of 'it's for cosplay fun'.
People also dont want to see non-cosplay people groping each other in public.
I'm actually someone who really doesn't like PDA. My housemate and I got the nickname of "Victorians" because of how we'd find stuff like that so inappropriate and uncomfortable, our housemates kept it as a running joke and covered up table legs! Too sexual! LOL! And if you think I'm bad, one of my friends won't even hold hands with her boyfriend in public because she has been brought up strictly and traditionally, and in her culture it is rude and boastful to do so. Imagine her reaction to this kind of behaviour!! (I'm not that bad yet haha)


07 Dec 2008 - 16:468319
Can I just say, I once met Oz a while back, IRL, and he was a really nice guy. He's just really cold and confrontation on forums. I have no idea why. I said this to him at the time and he agreed.

Just as a point...


07 Dec 2008 - 17:108322
Quote Mocara:
Can I just say, I once met Oz a while back, IRL, and he was a really nice guy. He's just really cold and confrontation on forums. I have no idea why. I said this to him at the time and he agreed.

Just as a point...

It's the nature of the internet. The comparative anonymity makes people a lot more assertive/aggressive.

Case in point: put me on the internet and you can't shut me up. But just try getting a conversation out of me in real life, I dare you...


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07 Dec 2008 - 17:508323
Quote Mocara:
Can I just say, I once met Oz a while back, IRL, and he was a really nice guy. He's just really cold and confrontation on forums. I have no idea why. I said this to him at the time and he agreed.

Just as a point...


TBH I don't remember that at all.

Then again, give me a context. I have no idea where you mean and who you are. ^_^

I prefer to think that I have an ironically low tolerance for bullshit and stupidity, especially if it makes me or my friends look back. (This thread does not come under "especially"



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07 Dec 2008 - 17:558324
Woohoo! I figured out how to lock threads (thanks Amy-Lou LOL)

To be honest, I think that this thread COULD have led to some interesting discussions etc. about how people perceive others.

However, this thread has deteriorated and gone off topic too much so it'll be staying locked for now.


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