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04 Dec 2008 - 22:008211
Quote Sillabub:
Quote Neko-Chan:
But when your aproched by a compleatly random saix cosplayer who's seen your sign, and then throws you to the floor and is on top of you, there isnt much you can do :/

Erm... that's assault and you should report them.


i guess i could of, but i didnt want to start anymore trouble that had already been caused by them...


04 Dec 2008 - 22:008212
Quote Monkey:
The amount of people who came up to us saying "Would it be possible if you could do some Shojo-Ai? Only as much as you're comfortable with, mind" We're always of the opinion of just going with it. If you're playing characters that are a couple, or could very easily be shipped we figure you might as well play up that side of things. No one's ever complained to us about it before.



That's different and in my opinion, acceptable since you're not flaunting it in other peoples faces like the free yaoi people do. If you're cosplaying 2 characters who make a popular couple, and are willing to pose for some light yaoi/yuri (like a hug, or maybe a kiss or something) that's fairly tasteful and unobtrusive. It's the people who hump eachother and re-enact sex, or the ones who will pretend to kiss in such a rediculously loud and attention grabbing manner that grind my gears.

I'm looking again at you, yaoi sign carrying people. -snarls-



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04 Dec 2008 - 22:268213
@Neko: No need to apologise to me, I just love puns.

Quote firedaemon:
Actually someone told me there were some people at Expo offering to let you slap them in the face for 20p... I think her friend had a go and said it was rather rewarding.
Still quite as stupid as free hugs, but more novel I feel.
I suddenly want to attent next EXPO! *packs knight gauntlet*

@Monkey: YOUR WHOLE POST IS CUTE GODDAMN!! :3

I think also, this is getting off the topic of "what sexuality are you" if that was the intended topic? I mean, now it's more of "attention seeking in costume" haha. I think whatever sexuality/gender you and your partner are, you are still a couple - so what does it really matter who you are dressed up as? You will still want to do couple-y things.

Cosplaying a couple and having appropriate poses/photos taken is another thing also. It's quite different if it's you and a friend pretend to be naruto yaoi brothers and gay it up everywhere with the sole purpose of gaining attention?! XD

@Wighty: you are a very eloquent 9 year old. Please make sure your sign is clear on WHO will be giving out the free slaps! LOL


04 Dec 2008 - 22:488217
Quote miiol:
@Wighty: you are a very eloquent 9 year old. Please make sure your sign is clear on WHO will be giving out the free slaps! LOL


I've been reading the Artemis Fowl books since age 5. A great inspiration that boy is!


04 Dec 2008 - 23:038218
Quote Kazz:

I agree. The yaoi scene tends to do that a lot, I've see it less with yuri though.


I always thought there was less yuri because 2 girls kissing means they're obviously sluts but 2 boys kissing is omg kawaiiiiiii. This means that if 2 girls want to kiss for attention they dress up like boys so it's ok, am I there yet?

Well no... it's still attention seeking and annoying because this way they get the guys thinking 'omg 2 girls kissing, this is hot' *takes pictures* AND they get the yaoi fangirls 'OMG! YAOI!' *joins in/takes pics*


miiol & 1000014: I just looked at your virgil and dante, you both looked great


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04 Dec 2008 - 23:078219
Quote Hypnic_Jerk:

I always thought there was less yuri because 2 girls kissing means they're obviously sluts but 2 boys kissing is omg kawaiiiiiii. This means that if 2 girls want to kiss for attention they dress up like boys so it's ok, am I there yet?


Hit the nail on the head there ma'dear! Also I think there's this strange culture of Yaoi fandom being a "cool" thing to be part of in the community. It definitely over shadows the Yuri fandom quite considerably.


04 Dec 2008 - 23:108220
lol, thanks


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04 Dec 2008 - 23:218221
i'd have to agree with the viewpoint that it doesn't matter what sexuality you are. nor does it matter which gender character you cosplay as.

i'd have to agree that doing something overly explicit will draw all kinds of attention, good and bad. britain is still a largely backwards nation in sexual terms. so you have only yourself to blame for disparaging comments drawn on by extreme public displays.

and i'd also have to agree that there are limits in good taste. i doubt we'd ever see L and Light kissing (for example) so for that reason i'd say yaoi between the two was less agreeable than between two more obviously viable characters.

but that shouldn't stop you having fun, either!



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04 Dec 2008 - 23:418222
Quote behind_you:

and i'd also have to agree that there are limits in good taste. i doubt we'd ever see L and Light kissing (for example) so for that reason i'd say yaoi between the two was less agreeable than between two more obviously viable characters.


This! Some things you get gay vibes from (lol) like Final Fantasy, I can understand yaoi from that. But yaoi from Legend of Zelda when there is NO attractive male character besides Link in most series... it's trying too hard to show off how cool yaoi is. I think that's when it starts getting annoying.


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04 Dec 2008 - 23:458223
Quote Hypnic_Jerk:

This! Some things you get gay vibes from (lol) like Final Fantasy, I can understand yaoi from that. But yaoi from Legend of Zelda when there is NO attractive male character besides Link in most series... it's trying too hard to show off how cool yaoi is. I think that's when it starts getting annoying.


I am fine with people wanting to ship unusual pairings, but it gets frustrating when it becomes something that's thrown in your face at every convention. :S


04 Dec 2008 - 23:488224
Quote Kazz:
Hit the nail on the head there ma'dear! Also I think there's this strange culture of Yaoi fandom being a "cool" thing to be part of in the community. It definitely over shadows the Yuri fandom quite considerably.


I love the crazy British Yaoi fans. Where people use Yaoi to mean boylove and if u show them something involving genitals an arse or even a nice whiteout/mosaic they think you're a perverted freak.

Also what's the deal with boys marching around Expo shouting Yaoi for no apparent reason. Are they saying they are gay? That they watch Yaoi or am I just missing something?
It's like if I walk around shouting 'lesbian porn' for no good reason.

Tho I was so glad the word Yaoi is foreign and the religious people at the convention on the other side of the Excel centre had no idea what they were saying.


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04 Dec 2008 - 23:568225
Quote firedaemon:

Also what's the deal with boys marching around Expo shouting Yaoi for no apparent reason. Are they saying they are gay? That they watch Yaoi or am I just missing something?


Mating call?

I guess they like shouting out 'naughty' words. But you're right, most of them don't get how hardcore yaoi can get


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05 Dec 2008 - 09:428233
Quote Kazz:


Does that mean I can dry-hump my boyfriend at the next event and not get arrested since I'm "asserting my sexuality"? SCORE! XD


I tried that one, it doesn't work unless you're crossplaying too. >> 'Cos then the yaoi fangirls stick up for you.

For the record, I'm pansexual, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump someone just for fanservice. Just before people think that all non-hets will kiss anyone.


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05 Dec 2008 - 10:068234
Quote Hypnic_Jerk:



I always thought there was less yuri because 2 girls kissing means they're obviously sluts


How does 2 girls kissing make them sluts? if they're going out then they shouldnt kiss each other? just hug? ^^;
There are less yuri cosplayers about, mainly cause theres a very small minority of guys [that minority is growing] that will crossplay,and girls that watch yuri, i do admire crossdressing guys though for there confidence to do that, but i think theres more guys that will watch yuri than girls, so less girls will cosplay as yuri charatures
atleast thats what my over all veiw on that is, Although i have a yuri cosplay underway, and im afraid, that if asked me and my friend whos going as my partner, will do a little fan service and if that makes me a slut because theres 2 girls kissing, Hey ho, ima slut!



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05 Dec 2008 - 10:148235
Quote Neko-Chan:
Quote Hypnic_Jerk:



I always thought there was less yuri because 2 girls kissing means they're obviously sluts


How does 2 girls kissing make them sluts? if they're going out then they shouldnt kiss each other? just hug? ^^;

I think Hypnic was being ironic to make a point on the contradictory standards of society. Or of anime fandom, take your pick.


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05 Dec 2008 - 10:268236
Quote Sillabub:
Quote Neko-Chan:
Quote Hypnic_Jerk:



I always thought there was less yuri because 2 girls kissing means they're obviously sluts


How does 2 girls kissing make them sluts? if they're going out then they shouldnt kiss each other? just hug? ^^;

I think Hypnic was being ironic to make a point on the contradictory standards of society. Or of anime fandom, take your pick.



oh.. xD
i didnt pick up on that, sorry hypnic! >__<


05 Dec 2008 - 16:428255
Wow, this thread has become filled with Yaoi hate!

(I do not blame you guys, I'd just forgotten how annoying the yaoi fans/attention seekers could be, so I didn't even think about it in connection to queer cosplayers. Also, I don't really consider those people to be gay, so that may be another reason why I forgot about them)

Tab


05 Dec 2008 - 19:528261
Hmm, this is actually quite an interesting topic. I'm straight, have been with my girlfriend for 7 years now.

My main question is...how acceptable is it if I'm cosplaying a male and she's crossplaying a male if we kiss? Because we did it just as a coupley thing and a lot of people saw and thought we were doing it for fanservice...

But then, we took that an incorporated it into a skit (Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Dancing/Battling skit that ended in Orochimaru kissing Jiraiya and walking off).

One of the reasons I ask is that we'll be cosplaying as Angeal and Zack who are very close and we've already been asked if we'd do any fanservicey poses. I don't mind doing it if requested, but I'd rather not have a bunch of people turning around later and saying "Oh, they're just attention seeking" etc.

In regards to sexual preferences, I don't see how it affects cosplay other than the fact that you and your partner just being close can suddenly turn into a rabid fangirl squee'ing session.

Which, by the way, I don't get LMAO


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05 Dec 2008 - 20:358262
@sjbonnar: There's nothing wrong with kissing your gf as two male cosplayers, with the presumption that you're not waving a figurative 'I am so cool look yaoi' banner, which presumably you wouldn't be.
I'd treat it the same as if two girls were kissing. Kiss as a RL couple, not going to watch you since it's personal, kiss for show as characters, probably not going to watch because I'm not interested.

@Neko-chan: I think the lack of Yuri couples is less to do with fewer crossplaying guys and more to do with Yaoi being 'cool'
I imagine if Yaoi didn't have such a following or fanbase, girls would cosplay Yuri more to be 'hurr hurr we are two girls kissing' we are totally sexually aware


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05 Dec 2008 - 21:018263
There's an annoying wiggly line in cosplay at the moment, where its impossible to tell whats 'fun' and what's 'slutty'. A friend and I want to do a Blaire/Mizune shoot with the whole boob-grabbing sequence, but were going to have to prepare grumpy, non moe expressions and angles so it doesn't look like we're getting off on it. To be honest, its in character and a hilarious part of the anime, it would be nice to just not have to care about all that, ne?

But at the end of the day, the shoot will be in private and and risque ones will be put behind an adult block on our own cosplay galleries. Mostly its to surprise our boyfriends and for a bit of a giggle - we want to see if you really can nosebleed with such force you get propelled backwards

I personally blame the bad rep on all the poorly shot 'yaoi' and 'shojo-ai' that gets stuck on DA after expos. I don't want to see a Sora pinning a Roxas to the wall in public, but I also don't want to see a Cloud pinning a Aeris to the wall or a normally dressed woman pinning a normally dressed bloke to a wall. There's a time and a place people, at least use your hotel room's rather than the cold Excell flooring.


05 Dec 2008 - 21:438265
@sjbonnar: Tbh, i woulndt shun against that, seeing as you two are genuinly going out, pluss, your not shouting ''HEY LOOK YAOI IF YOU GIVE US POCKY'' or have something like that on a sign.

@Firedaemon: your right, but the lack is proberly helped along with the amount of guys that flatly refues to crossplay. Also, going into the yuri scene a bit, Eheh. some of my costumes from yuri animes which i havent bothered to upload here, Well, i do that cause i actuly think like some of the girls in the actual yuri animes [not the ott 18+ ones though...] so its not like im doing it to just pull guys being all like ''oh yeah, im from a yuri, my charature kissed girls and grabbed there tits, admire me!'' im doing it because i like the anime and if i did a pair, and some one asked for fanservice, heck i'd give it but not to the extent of sex with cloths on. xD



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05 Dec 2008 - 22:418268
HIYA GUYS IM A BIG ATTENTION SEEKER WHO POSTS THINGS TO GET PEOPLES ATTENTION LIKE THE FACT THAT IM BI SO DUDES THINK I KISS GIRLS AND THEN THINK ABOUT IT AND WANT TO CHAT TO ME AND I MIGHT NOT EVEN BE BI AND THAT MIGHT EVEN BE AN ATTENTION SEEKING ACT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE MY MUMMY AND DADDY DID NOT HUG ME ENOUGH SO I FEEL THE NEED TO POST ON FORUMS LIKE THIS ONE (*frandan*) TEE HEE HEE

Oh no wait, sorry, I mixed myself and the opening poster up there.

I think my point was "What the hell does this have to do with anything? I like drinking Coca Cola, but that doesn't give me any prerogative to cosplay a specific person. This thread makes about as much sense as suggesting that I can't cosplay the Fable hero because I drink Pepsi. There's really nothing to "think about"."



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05 Dec 2008 - 23:368270
okay im gonna rant
well im a bi cosplayer...and i love to dress as boys and yaoi, because its fun, and there a lots of fangirls/boys who love it 2 lol me being one of them,
and i hate it then people say nasty or unaproperate things about gay/lesbian/bi cosplayers or when people act out yaoi or yuri
i see nothing wrong with it to be completly honest i mean if you dont like it, then dont look and anyway if a cosplayer want to do that, or find it fun 2 do that, who the hell is anyone eles to tell them its wrong? well the fact of the matter is cosplay at the end of the day is a hobby for everyone and there sexuality has near to nothing to do with it and if there gay, lesbian or bi, what does it matter?

sorry about i could rant on about this all day because being one myself i get alot of nasty messages and things about this and i just want to say my part on the subject xD


05 Dec 2008 - 23:518272
Quote BadAssUke:
okay im gonna rant
well im a bi cosplayer...and i love to dress as boys and yaoi, because its fun, and there a lots of fangirls/boys who love it 2 lol me being one of them,
and i hate it then people say nasty or unaproperate things about gay/lesbian/bi cosplayers or when people act out yaoi or yuri
i see nothing wrong with it to be completly honest i mean if you dont like it, then dont look and anyway if a cosplayer want to do that, or find it fun 2 do that, who the hell is anyone eles to tell them its wrong? well the fact of the matter is cosplay at the end of the day is a hobby for everyone and there sexuality has near to nothing to do with it and if there gay, lesbian or bi, what does it matter?

sorry about i could rant on about this all day because being one myself i get alot of nasty messages and things about this and i just want to say my part on the subject xD


If they are acting our a yuri/yaoi scene for a skit, or posing for a photo (within reason) then there's nothing wrong with it. It's just like any heterosexual couples in shows.

On the other side of the coin, the people who would say nasty things about bi/gay cosplayers would say the same bad things about bi/gay non-cosplayers, in which case this is perhaps not the best place to discuss matters of homophobia.

At the end of the day, this thread is at worst flammable. I would suggest it be ignored if it were my say (but it's not, so maybe ignore me instead)



Last edited by Oz (05 Dec 2008 - 23:52)
06 Dec 2008 - 00:038274
Whoooo, try not to miss the point here. As far as I can make out, no ones said 'omg gay people are so gay and like, should totally be euthanised - bring back Hitler yo'.

People are more trying to point out that things aren't always appropriate. Yeah, go ahead and kiss your girlfriend but do it like you would in public, not all over a bench with a wooden oar in an event full of minors. If you want to do the stuff you would do in private in cosplay, go ahead, but in private please?

I think its great that so many cosplayers have such open sexualities. So what if they are merely experimenting or attention seeking, at least they're not suppressing themselves, leading to sad emotional consequence. Cosplay does attract a more open type of person so I think it is quite relevant, even if its just a support issue.


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