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04 Dec 2008 - 21:008182
The Gay, Lesbian and bisexual Society in the british cosplay scene?
Title changed to make it more of a dissucsion ^^

i am Bisexual, and im NOT one of the people that will just say it cause it makes me emo or somthing stupid, no, i havent got a girlfriend, but... the flings REALLY do pile up to a big number :/

So what do you guys think about Bi, Gay and lesbian people in cosplay?

Theres a A now Miiol

Also, this what mocara sudgested, its basicaly copy/pasted from her post ^^ thankyou for your help

Did you find that the openness and acceptance of the cosplay crowd helped bring you out of the closet or did you find that cosplay interested you as someone who was already out? Would you say it affects your costumes or cosplay aspirations at all? Probably your sexuality has nothing to do with your cosplay at all, I'm just interested in seeing if there's a link up ^^. Would also be interested in hearing opinions from Transgender or GenderDisphorics, hetro or gay.



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04 Dec 2008 - 21:158184
"So what do you guys think about Bi, Gay and lesbien people in cosplay?"

Makes no difference to me. I dont see how if could effect cosplay

I dont think anyone would really care on ones preference, *if they did and it was an issue then its their problem"*

Im bi myself but I dont really tend to tell people in my er..crowds? hobbies?, I think that if they find out or not, its not their real need to know, its my thing xD.

And like I said, if they dont like it, then meh to them.


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:208185
Seconded, I don't see how this is related to cosplay. The other discussions were about gender and how it can effect your choice of costume, people's attitudes etc.

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no, i havent got a girlfriend, but... the flings REALLY do pile up to a big number :/


I'm not sure that's the kind of thing you really need to mention on a public forum ^^



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04 Dec 2008 - 21:248186
About as related as 'How does your religion affect cosplay'



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04 Dec 2008 - 21:258188
It doesn't matter to me, and I don't see why it would or should. My sexuality doesn't impact on which characters I cosplay, or how I behave when I'm in costume, or how I construct my costumes.

The one thing that does annoy me is when people - not just cosplayers - flaunt their "sexuality" to draw extra attention to themselves (and I put "sexuality" in quote marks because often it isn't actually an expression of sexuality, it's just attention-seeking). Maybe it's because I'm old enough to have long outgrown that sort of thing, but it just seems very crass and childish to me.


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:268189
Quote firedaemon:
About as related as 'How does your religion affect cosplay'



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Oh you I agree.


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:278190
Meh this is general chat, anything goes!

I think this person is just trying to find out what the queer community is like within the cosplay community.

I think it general you will find a lot of bisexual people, mainly because we are very accepting, so maybe more people are comfortable with loving both genders. Meh, made sense in my head.

Personally I have a huge stream of labels attached to my sexuality, but they are just labels and don't really mean much on their own. But I'm in a trio- I have two partners in the same relationship (instead of seperately dating two people). One is a genderqueer and the other a man.

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04 Dec 2008 - 21:278191
Quote Sillabub:

The one thing that does annoy me is when people - not just cosplayers - flaunt their "sexuality" to draw extra attention to themselves (and I put "sexuality" in quote marks because often it isn't actually an expression of sexuality, it's just attention-seeking). Maybe it's because I'm old enough to have long outgrown that sort of thing, but it just seems very crass and childish to me.


Yeah I agree. Thats why I dont tend to tell people unless they specifially ask. To me if you flaunt your sexuality, are you really feeling that way, or is it just a way as you put for attention.

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I remeber at Amecon me and my partner did a Deathnote thing, now I am a yaoi fan, I doubt I can be a fangirl lol, so we did some close shots that were for my...personal collection?? lol.

Anyway, me and my partner just casually were hugging and stuff in cosplay, the amount of girls who wanted pics of us just hugging and stuff, this is what we do out of costume, just cause we were deathnote they wanted pics. Urgh.

Also, last year me and Miiol were DMC, Dante and Vergil, all people wanted was pics of us kissing and hugging and yaoi-ing which we refused to do!


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:288192
Quote Sillabub:

The one thing that does annoy me is when people - not just cosplayers - flaunt their "sexuality" to draw extra attention to themselves (and I put "sexuality" in quote marks because often it isn't actually an expression of sexuality, it's just attention-seeking). Maybe it's because I'm old enough to have long outgrown that sort of thing, but it just seems very crass and childish to me.


I agree. The yaoi scene tends to do that a lot, I've see it less with yuri though.

At the end of the day your sexual preference should be a personal thing and I don't see how it should or would effect any aspects cosplay.


04 Dec 2008 - 21:288193
@ Kazz's first comment

no, it doesnt affect your costumes, but when your in costume it can, for example, when i was at mcm in may, some one came over to me with a ''yaoi please'' sign, and seeing as she refused to move till i kissed her, i did, and then noticing the amount of discusted faces about was pretty outstanding :/
also, when i was on a light and L shoot, we did a few shots with L pinning me, and you could tell we were girls [editing to fix that! ] and people's faces as they walked past were once more in discust... there seems to be a fairly big community of people that wount acsept it... which is what im saying about cosplay, as in costumes, people to go on shoots and there are yuri/yaoi animes, which people will make out when there in them costumes so it sorta does affect who you cosplay, Were you wear it, and also if peoples harsh comments can get to you...



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04 Dec 2008 - 21:318194
Well, in that case it's more of a tolerance thing than a cosplay thing. Not everyone will be comfortable with people being outwardly gay in public.

I guess you could relate it to how people unfamiliar with cosplay would react towards someone running around as a chocobo



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04 Dec 2008 - 21:358195
I've got no problem with photoshoots of homosexual couples (as characters or otherwise) for fanservice purposes. That way I have the choice of looking at them or not.

But I don't want to walk around Expo to see female Roxas pinning female Sora to the middle of a wall where everyone can see, FOR everyone to see as some kind of statement of 'I am teh gay i r teh cool, look i r yaoi'


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:368196
Quote Kazz:
Well, in that case it's more of a tolerance thing than a cosplay thing. Not everyone will be comfortable with people being outwardly gay in public.

I guess you could relate it to how people unfamiliar with cosplay would react towards someone running around as a chocobo


I guess it is all down to tolerance
and no not everyone, but is it necessary to throw harsh comments at it?
and i think theres more gay bi and lesbien people than chocobo's xD


04 Dec 2008 - 21:398197
Quote firedaemon:
I've got no problem with photoshoots of homosexual couples (as characters or otherwise) for fanservice purposes. That way I have the choice of looking at them or not.


Yeah, if you are cosplaying a yaoi maybe, its kinda....expected? I dunno. I would be willing to do yaoi pics if I was cosplaying a yaoi anime whatever, the same way I walked around as a perv as Murdoc. Thats just me getting into character lol xD


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:398198
What's a lesbien? A good lesbian?? LMAO.

I wasn't going to post as I said to D on MSN because I'd be rude but... I don't think it affects cosplay at all. Seriously who cares. I agree with Sillabub's points of attention seeking (like those stupid "will yaoi for pocky" signs).

Quote Neko-Chan:
@when i was at mcm in may, some one came over to me with a ''yaoi please'' sign, and seeing as she refused to move till i kissed her, i did, and then noticing the amount of discusted faces about was pretty outstanding :/
That's BS. Do what my friend does when confronted with "free hugs" - offer them a "free punch in the face". LOL. Also bear in mind some people don't like PDA in any form.

Quote firedaemon:
But I don't want to walk around Expo to see female Roxas pinning female Sora to the middle of a wall where everyone can see, FOR everyone to see as some kind of statement of 'I am teh gay i r teh cool, look i r yaoi'
I don't want to see male Roxas pinning male Sora either LMAO!! But I know what you mean Jodie, I think this is all that attention whore BS, "look at me I'm a yaoi brother!!!" in the wonderful words of Tenkawa. XD


04 Dec 2008 - 21:418199
Quote firedaemon:
I've got no problem with photoshoots of homosexual couples (as characters or otherwise) for fanservice purposes. That way I have the choice of looking at them or not.

But I don't want to walk around Expo to see female Roxas pinning female Sora to the middle of a wall where everyone can see, FOR everyone to see as some kind of statement of 'I am teh gay i r teh cool, look i r yaoi'


I Hate it when people flaunt it in public, totaly open to draw attention.
as a joke, when i cosplayed roxas i did have a yaoi related sign [cant remeber what it said] and holly who was axel, as a joke also stuck a sign to my back saying ''property of axel, got it memorised'' which i didnt notice till the end of the day...
But when your aproched by a compleatly random saix cosplayer who's seen your sign, and then throws you to the floor and is on top of you, there isnt much you can do :/
but at may, there was a akuroku couple who were... praticaly having sex with clothes on outside excel, but it didnt actuly start as fan service, they... just started to like randomly do that outside on the floor? and then you get the croud taking photos, and some strange pervy men taking photos O_o''


04 Dec 2008 - 21:428200
Quote Neko-Chan:
praticaly having sex with clothes on outside excel, but it didnt actuly start as fan service, they... just started to like randomly do that outside on the floor? and then you get the croud taking photos, and some strange pervy men taking photos O_o''


Where the hell were security >>...taking pics no doubt xD


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:438202
Quote miiol:
Do what my friend does when confronted with "free hugs" - offer them a "free punch in the face". LOL.


Actually someone told me there were some people at Expo offering to let you slap them in the face for 20p... I think her friend had a go and said it was rather rewarding.
Still quite as stupid as free hugs, but more novel I feel.


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:448203
Quote Neko-Chan:

but at may, there was a akuroku couple who were... praticaly having sex with clothes on outside excel, but it didnt actuly start as fan service, they... just started to like randomly do that outside on the floor? and then you get the croud taking photos, and some strange pervy men taking photos O_o''


That's not communicating your sexuality, that's being attention seeking and socially retarded XD



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04 Dec 2008 - 21:468204
Quote Kazz:
Quote Neko-Chan:

but at may, there was a akuroku couple who were... praticaly having sex with clothes on outside excel, but it didnt actuly start as fan service, they... just started to like randomly do that outside on the floor? and then you get the croud taking photos, and some strange pervy men taking photos O_o''


That's not sexuality, that's being attention seeking and socially retarded XD


LOL xD well, seeing as they were both female, and i do know one of them and they were going out at the time, i spose it is?





@ miiol - sorry, i fail at spelling, and using spell check. ^^;


04 Dec 2008 - 21:488206
Quote Neko-Chan:

LOL xD well, seeing as they were both female, and i do know one of them and they were going out at the time, i spose it is?


Does that mean I can dry-hump my boyfriend at the next event and not get arrested since I'm "asserting my sexuality"? SCORE! XD


04 Dec 2008 - 21:488207
Quote Neko-Chan:
and no not everyone, but is it necessary to throw harsh comments at it? and i think theres more gay bi and lesbien people than chocobo's xD

True, but it's amazing what some people can and will consider to be alien concepts. I identify with a few ideologies and social groups, most of which are quite large and long-established, but they're nonetheless considered outside societal norms so a lot of people think of them as being weird and alien.

Everyone responds differently to things that unsettle them, and some people's natural response is to make disparaging comments, whether that thing is someone dressing up as a Chocobo, or a gay couple seeking a legal marriage, or a woman saying she doesn't want to have children. The fact that it's a natural response doesn't legitimise it by any means, but that's all there is to it.


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:498208
I've had people often assuming myself (and more often than not with Nocturnal) are a couple because of the fact we often cosplay couply characters and so on. Firstly, I am completely straight, but I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality that I don't mind playing around a bit to be in character or just to have a bit of a laugh. As for other peopele's sexuality? Doesn't bother me at all, I have so many friends who are all types that it doesn't come into question to me. Why should it anyway? Haha.

I remember at Amecon though, everyone was pretty confused with which way we swung when we cosplayed Sailor Uranus and Neptune at Amecon. We really played up the couply-ness there. We're really close friends so getting close is what we do anyway, and we know enough about each other that it doesn't bother us at all if we really play it up. It wasn't attention seeking at all. Essentially, we were just playing up the characters a little. Most of the Moonies seemed to really enjoy it!

The amount of people who came up to us saying "Would it be possible if you could do some Shojo-Ai? Only as much as you're comfortable with, mind" We're always of the opinion of just going with it. If you're playing characters that are a couple, or could very easily be shipped we figure you might as well play up that side of things. No one's ever complained to us about it before.

In my opinion I don't think it should matter at all with stuff like that as long as its feesable (Girl Roxas and Girl Sora is a no-no!) and 'Will do Yaoi for <insert item/GP/whatever>' are just irritating too. Now *that* seems like attention seeking. (But then again, I'm a little annoyed by people with signs unless actually prop-related anyay.)

Generally, I'm of the opinion: If you don't like it, just don't look! But that's my preferance, I know everyone is different with that kind of stuff. ^^


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:508209
Quote Neko-Chan:
But when your aproched by a compleatly random saix cosplayer who's seen your sign, and then throws you to the floor and is on top of you, there isnt much you can do :/

Erm... that's assault and you should report them.


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04 Dec 2008 - 21:568210
Quote firedaemon:
Actually someone told me there were some people at Expo offering to let you slap them in the face for 20p...


I will actually be attending next expo with a 'Free Slaps' sign, and shoving it in all the 'Free Hugs' peoples faces. I'm sure I'll get a few saying yes thinking it's a joke

But to the point. What the hell is this topic about? The opening post has nothing to do with cosplay so why bring it up?

If you're bisexual that's all well and good, but the only reason you seem to have posted this topic is to tell everyone that as there was no reason to go on about yourself in the opening post otherwise O_o

And the subject of people doing stupid things in public areas? The 'free hugs' signs are stupid and will get 'free justice' from me next expo. 'Will yaoi for xxx' is what a lot of attention seeking people do, and I don't know why other than they're just pretty stupid?

I've got nothing against gay or bisexual people myself, but if you're going to go around making public displays of 'affection', then don't be surprised if people mock you or call you names. If a normal straight couple go at eachother with tongues in the street people will look disapprovingly on them, and this is worse than that. People look down on PDA it as it should be a private thing, so when a bunch of fangirls/boys re-enact even worse things they should expect to be mocked for being the retards they are.


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