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18 Jul 2012 - 21:3087899
What conventions have YOU been to?

Sorry, but I think firstly, the way you worded that was ridiculously offensive. Especially as she is RIGHT.

Don't get me wrong, women do have it bad, but in the UK cosplay scene, it seems very evenly matched.


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18 Jul 2012 - 21:3387901
And...

*Moderator hat on*

I'll be monitoring this thread very closely. So far it's been great, but it's one of those threads that has the potential to turn into mud-slinging.

Keep to a healthy debate people?

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18 Jul 2012 - 21:4787903
Quote sjbonnar:
Especially as she is RIGHT.

Don't get me wrong, women do have it bad, but in the UK cosplay scene, it seems very evenly matched.


I think that's very subjective. Personally I don't think that there's a big problem of sexism at UK conventions but generally from what I have seen and heard its more likely to be directed at women. Not to say that I think it doesn't happen to men or that its okay when it does. I don't agree that its impossible for a woman to be sexist to a man but there is a difference in that one is built upon centuries of cultural prejudice and one sex having power over the other. Likewise racism can be directed from a non-white person towards a white person and although that is emphatically not okay it doesn't have the same cultural context.


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18 Jul 2012 - 21:4987905
Quote sjbonnar:
What conventions have YOU been to?

Sorry, but I think firstly, the way you worded that was ridiculously offensive. Especially as she is RIGHT.

Don't get me wrong, women do have it bad, but in the UK cosplay scene, it seems very evenly matched.


I'm sorry, but I did not know she was right. I've been going to Expos for a number of years, LFCC, Hyper Japan, Kapow and LSCC. I'm sorry I was offensive, I didn't mean to be. I just haven't seen that sort of behaviour. Maybe because I haven't been to the larger anime-based cons? Not many yaoi paddles at Kapow.

I'm only going on my experiences and I stated that. I've barely seen any offensive behaviour towards men. I don't know why that is.

I'm very sorry that I was offensive and I will rephrase myself. That wasn't my intention. I'm very sorry, I get very cranky about this - I don't mean to be some breast-beating man-hating radical and I'm sorry if I came off as that sort of person. I think it's best if I leave this thread. I'm very sorry.


18 Jul 2012 - 21:5687906
Wow...

Can, open.
Worms, everywhere.

*golf clap*


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18 Jul 2012 - 22:0487907
Quote quixoticschlemiel:


As far as I'm aware, sexism, much like racism, is usually defined as gender-based discrimination from a position of power/privilege. Men have that privilege and whilst misogynistic actions/a misogynistic society can have negative effects on men, you cannot be sexist towards a man because as a man he has privilege over women in general; higher wages, more of a chance of getting hired, far less threat of sexual harassment in general society. Such as, a person of colour cannot be racist towards a white person as that white person benefits from centuries of privilege and power. Your comment also completely erased those of non-binary genders and trans* people, but that's a whole different can of worms.


Unfortunately, this is where you are wrong. Racism is discrimination based on race - you discriminate against someone in some way due to racial origin. Likewise ageism - discrimination based on age. Sexism - discrimination based on sex. Do we see a pattern here yet?

This opinion of yours is unfortunately exactly what is wrong with the political correctness brigade and WHY these issues will always continue to exist - "it's only X-ism if its discriminating against ME!".

I have been on the receiving end of the screaming yaoi brigade on numerous occassions and they are frankly far far worse than most guys. I have also been harassed by women double my age while working that are some of the most disgusting things I have ever heard.

This DOES go both ways, in all "isms". Like back at my school years ago, a kid slammed a door in my face, my response was to tell him to get f&*(ed and I got the response of "you racist white b*&tard". If to you that is not racism against me, you clearly do not understand what these things actually are.

Expos are unfortunately also a poor example of conventions - having been going to many events that are 18+ since 2004 (like LuluRose), you see many other things, especially once alcohol becomes involved. The "bish hunters" and yaoi mobs (not always purely female, but certainly with a higher female to male ratio in them) are just creepy as a guy, something I haven't seen an equivalent pack of roaming drooling fanboys screaming at cosplaying women to tongue or dry hump each other while wielding wooden yuri paddles.

Creepy and rubbish people will always exist anywhere you go, its just a fact of life. I would suggest you learn to be debate subjects in a less 'rage' based manner, otherwise you are going to cause a lot of grief for yourself in the long run.



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18 Jul 2012 - 22:2287908
I've already apologised and said I'll leave. Again, I am very sorry.


18 Jul 2012 - 22:2487909
OK guys, I really don't see this going anywhere productive so I'm locking this. Yes, sexism exists in society (not just at cons) and yes it's experienced by both sexes. I really don't think that requires much discussion or argument concerning its existence.

I think we've gone slightly away from the content of the original post, and the article linked seems a very exaggerated opinion about a tweet. Discussions are encouraged, but please remember to keep arguments civil and balanced

Personal opinion - do I think Simon Pegg was being sexist? No, he's a geek surrounded by several hot Princess Leia's, he's probably been dreaming about that since he hit puberty. If I was surrounded by several hot topless male Spartan cosplayers, my tweet to my friends would probably be along the same lines.



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