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05 Jun 2012 - 19:1485536
what you make your weapons out of?
Mainly guns but swords too.

What do you make them out of?

My first big project Iam doing is Gears of war.
The Lancer will have sounds, lights and the chainsaw part will move......here's to hoping it will have all these and please don't ask how yet cause I have no idea lol but want to see what others make their weapons out of.

Thanks


06 Jun 2012 - 21:4385630
A lot of people use wood, which is ok for something like Expo where the rules appear to be not as strict but if you are going to a con e.g. Ame, Aya, Kita etc then I doubt you would be allowed a wooden lancer as they are huge, so most people make their weapons out of foam.

Tab has a tutorial on how to make a Katana sword out of foam here.

I made my buster sword for Zack out of balsa wood but I wouldn't recommend it as it can be broken easily and can get quite costly getting thick large pieces.

A person in our Gears group made her lancer out of foam I believe but it didn't move like your one is going to though but there's no reason you can't make it out of something like foam and reinforce it with bits of plastic to hold the motors etc in place.

I'm not sure if the con rules apply as much to guns though as you're less likely to be waving it around like you would a sword. So wood might be an option. I've seen some people use PVC pipe (e.g. toilet drainage etc) as a base for the likes of sniper rifles and then use foam and cardboard to build up the rest, like the stock etc.


06 Jun 2012 - 22:0185632
Quote Kata-san:
A lot of people use wood, which is ok for something like Expo where the rules appear to be not as strict but if you are going to a con e.g. Ame, Aya, Kita etc then I doubt you would be allowed a wooden lancer as they are huge, so most people make their weapons out of foam.

Tab has a tutorial on how to make a Katana sword out of foam here.

I made my buster sword for Zack out of balsa wood but I wouldn't recommend it as it can be broken easily and can get quite costly getting thick large pieces.

A person in our Gears group made her lancer out of foam I believe but it didn't move like your one is going to though but there's no reason you can't make it out of something like foam and reinforce it with bits of plastic to hold the motors etc in place.

I'm not sure if the con rules apply as much to guns though as you're less likely to be waving it around like you would a sword. So wood might be an option. I've seen some people use PVC pipe (e.g. toilet drainage etc) as a base for the likes of sniper rifles and then use foam and cardboard to build up the rest, like the stock etc.


Thank you Kata-san.

Foam sounds good, not to sure about wood tbh, not for a gun anyway....just me I guess lol.
As for cons and Expo's, it be bit money consuming to go, maybe next year at some point....I bet this is going to take me awhile and alot of money lol.

I so hope I can pull it off and make everything how I want it to go lol.....I sometimes wonder if I got myself in a deep hole with this one lol. Other half really has got me on the ropes with this.My first big costume and prop weapons and I am so clueless right now lol.

Good idea's, thank you again.I will take nots and see how it all plans out.Hopefully it will all go to plan lol.....I hope.

Thank you again and lets hope I can pull this off......be a miracle if I can lol

Thanks again


07 Jun 2012 - 00:2485645
No problem at all, that's what we're here for. It's a great place to bounce ideas off people that have most likely made a lot of the mistakes themselves already

So yeah, when you come to start making it, the communities here to help I'm sure a lot of other people with have other ideas on how best to go about it.


07 Jun 2012 - 09:2785653
^_^ thank you. I know I keep saying it and prob getting annoying lol.

Working on idea's for the armour too so its all getting there with ideas, just when I start to get my money back to normal it be getting everything and then working on it from there.

Can't wait to dig in to making this ^_^



Last edited by FangGirl (07 Jun 2012 - 09:27)
07 Jun 2012 - 10:1785655
Where on earth do people get the idea that Expo is less strict? o.O

The rules are pretty universal across most cons, as they're mostly just common sense + law + venue restrictions.

Anything primarily wood or metal is masquerade-only - they make for sturdier stuff but even fake weapons made out of them have a tendency to fall under the offensive weapons laws and can't be waved around in public.

If you want to be able to walk around with your prop/weapon, it's got to be out of softer stuff. So yeah, plastic, foam, rubber, card, papier mache, etc. Thin balsa wood is about the limit usually..

If you want moving parts it's trickier, as you need stuff that'll withstand whatever's moving, though for similar projects I've heard of plans to use bike chain or a plastic equivalent to mimic a chainsaw?


07 Jun 2012 - 10:4185657
Thanks for that.
Was planing either to use bike chain or a belt for the chainsaw part.Still working on ideas for it while Iam waiting for money to come through.

Expo and Cons at the minute aren't going to happen because of money. I still have to complete my motorcycle licence so I be really short on money with this and the motorcycle stuff so it be some time before I even attempt to go to one.I have plenty of time to figure it all out

Thinking foam and plastic to reinforce it all, with all the motor's etc going in to this. Either way I get it done and I hope I can pull it off
It will keep me busy, busy lol



Last edited by FangGirl (07 Jun 2012 - 10:41)
07 Jun 2012 - 10:5085658
Swords I've made I've used foam. They didn't have moving parts though so this may not be of any use to you but for the sake of giving you options I'll briefly explain what we did. We basically used a cut down broom handle to give it a sturdy base. We then glued strips of foam over the top to make the blade. We used camping mats for the foam. If you did it this way you'd probably want some kind of sander as the edges would need smoothing out. Foam weapons are fun because you can bash people with them without hurting them but they'll always be chunkier than something made with other materials so other props will potentially look better. But a foam weapon will also be lighter then alot of others.

A friend of mine made her sword out of fibreglass. It wasn't up to duelling but it's another route you could take... not sure about whether it's suitable for working parts but a different friend of mine intends to use it for an Iron Man costume so it may be worth looking into if you are doing armour but I can't really advice on that as I've never used it.

You can also get polymorphic plastic which comes in granules that you heat up and mould into shape. It goes solid when it cools but gets pretty heavy and you'll probably need a heat gun to get it looking smooth.


07 Jun 2012 - 11:0585659
Quote Cobranose:
Swords I've made I've used foam. They didn't have moving parts though so this may not be of any use to you but for the sake of giving you options I'll briefly explain what we did. We basically used a cut down broom handle to give it a sturdy base. We then glued strips of foam over the top to make the blade. We used camping mats for the foam. If you did it this way you'd probably want some kind of sander as the edges would need smoothing out. Foam weapons are fun because you can bash people with them without hurting them but they'll always be chunkier than something made with other materials so other props will potentially look better. But a foam weapon will also be lighter then alot of others.

A friend of mine made her sword out of fibreglass. It wasn't up to duelling but it's another route you could take... not sure about whether it's suitable for working parts but a different friend of mine intends to use it for an Iron Man costume so it may be worth looking into if you are doing armour but I can't really advice on that as I've never used it.

You can also get polymorphic plastic which comes in granules that you heat up and mould into shape. It goes solid when it cools but gets pretty heavy and you'll probably need a heat gun to get it looking smooth.


Thank you for this
Hey any suggestions are good with me all helps in the end and like the ideas with the sword too

I have been looking at Pepakura which some have used Fiberglass to harden it but Iam not sure if I would.A thread on a forum I have just been reading suggested Aqua Resin. Something I will looking in to at a later date.
I have seen and have thought of doing Pepakura before for Kat's armour from Halo but then I sort of turned away....Maybe I give it a go but it does mean getting another printer and tons of ink.

Think I have had a sample of polymorphic plastic before, had fun with it, just messing around with it.I know there is also wonderflex but the price is something I would have to save up for if I did go down that route.
I will look in to the Aqua Resin though, see what that is like, its non toxic so it should be good.


The joys of my challenge.....I wonder what I have got myself into though lol. How much blood, sweat and tears....oh and hair will I lose? lol



Last edited by FangGirl (07 Jun 2012 - 11:06)
07 Jun 2012 - 11:3285660
I havent made any massive weapons before, but when i make little axes and sizz i just use cardboard and paper mache xD
When i made my Soul Eater sythe, i got a broom pole and spray painted it gray, and got some thin cardboard for the blade ~


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07 Jun 2012 - 13:0185664
Quote nert:
Where on earth do people get the idea that Expo is less strict? o.O

The rules are pretty universal across most cons, as they're mostly just common sense + law + venue restrictions.


The reason I said that was that MCMs rules for this year say that wooden melee weapons are allowed as long as it's not easy for someone to grab it off you and if this is not possible you can carry it around in a bag. I've also seen people walk around with large, mainly wooden, oversized swords etc (which might not be allowed but is also not enforced) where as the likes of Amecon say specifically "Do not use Metal, solid wood, solid plastic, plaster etc" and you also need to get all props etc checked but yeah I'm purely sticking up for what I said but I do agree you should use common sense and not make stuff out dangerous materials anyway, especially for an event when you are going to be in a mass of people.


07 Jun 2012 - 23:0585697
To you guys talking about the strictness thing... I don't know about other conventions but I do agree that MCM only really enforce this stuff if people are being blatantly retarded.
In either case I don't think it's a huge issue in this case. Having looked at the intended prop it's essentially a gun with a chainsaw on the front so I'm sure, should she one day take it to a convention, it should be ok.


07 Jun 2012 - 23:0885698
Additionally to what I said above. I've not played Gears of War but having seen what your talking about making, it does look like a cool prop and I wish you all the best luck in putting it together. Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.


07 Jun 2012 - 23:3585702
Quote Cobranose:
To you guys talking about the strictness thing... I don't know about other conventions but I do agree that MCM only really enforce this stuff if people are being blatantly retarded.


That's mostly due to lack of staff, can't cover all 60,000 attendees with just a handful of cosplay crew who're already busy, but got-away-with-it-on-the-day isn't the same as things being actively allowed!

I'm mostly trying to avoid bad advice being given out - especially when the general consensus seems to be 'anything goes', while actually there's a strict set of rules continually being worked on, and the police have been in touch about them :/


This isn't particularly relevant to this thread so much as the point's already been made but mostly replying for lurkers' benefit; at the end of the day I'd rather people know about the restrictions before they start making a prop so they can go down con-safe construction routes, rather than waste months of work then becoming part of the massive influx of inquiries in the week before the event complaining they only just read the rules so can they just bring their 8ft rusty-yet-sharpened saw blade anyway?

T_T


08 Jun 2012 - 06:3885709
Quote Cobranose:
Additionally to what I said above. I've not played Gears of War but having seen what your talking about making, it does look like a cool prop and I wish you all the best luck in putting it together. Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.


Thanks ^_^ Hoping it goes well lol. Always loved Gears since playing the first one and can't wait for the new one.


Like to also thank about the rule thing, hey if anyone comes here and even for me its an eye opener so its ok.

Might have thought up something else I can use but I need to go see the art group I use to go to, to find out what the stuff is called.


08 Jun 2012 - 08:4185711
I'm mostly trying to avoid bad advice being given out - especially when the general consensus seems to be 'anything goes', while actually there's a strict set of rules continually being worked on, and the police have been in touch about them :/


T_T



Fair enough. I'm not saying the rules aren't there I'm just agreeing on the enforcement issue. But you're right, its better to know them then to have put time into a prop you won't be allowed to show off. This said if you use common sense chances are you won't fall foul of them.

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