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20 Jul 2011 - 16:2963676
Photos keep disappearing

Today I uploaded a costume photo for my Rinoa, for some reason it disapearred from the photos tab after a while. I also uploaded a photo for my Jane and now that's gone as well.

The pictures are both on my costumes but have disappeared from the main photos screen and I'm not sure why @_@

Anyone else have this problem?

20 Jul 2011 - 16:4163679
I believe the photos you're refering to have been moderated and changed to reference images due to being a sellers photo of something you've bought, not what you are working on.

The photos are still on the costume pages, they just aren't relevent to the front page or photo searches.

If these aren't the photos in question please let me know

20 Jul 2011 - 16:5163682
Oh okay. That's just very odd coz I've always uploaded pictures of things i've bought such as wigs, shoes, outfits etc and they've never been edited before. My friends do it as well - has something in the rules changed?

20 Jul 2011 - 16:5663683
This is how it's always been. They can appear to stay for a while because the moderation system is manual and we only have so much time to go through the images for the day.

The photos are still shown in the usual places and recorded on your friends feed, they're just excluded from the front page and the photos search only.

Think of it this way; if you search photos for a costume do you want to see a page of ebay listings or do you actually want to see cosplayers and their work?

Edit: These kind of 'sourcing' photos are more suited to journals, but I know not everyone likes to use that feature.

Last edited by Amy-Lou (20 Jul 2011 - 17:06)
20 Jul 2011 - 17:0463685
Well as said I've always seen people's wigs or bought items in the photos tab and I've never minded it because I see that as part of their costume even if it's not something they made or a manual photo.

I was only enquiring as I've never seen the pictures edited to reference before I've gone back days after and as i'm browsing through seen bought photos from 3 or 4 days before so I never saw it as a problem.

The way I see it if I've bought (e.g) the parasol for my costume and decided to put the ebay listing photo as it hasn't arrived yet there's no difference to if I posted a picture I took from my own camera. It's still the same item showing the same thing the only difference would be who took the photo.

It's not a huge deal but seeming as it never happened before I was just curious as to why XD

20 Jul 2011 - 17:0863686
I totally understand why you'd be confused when they happen to be moderated just as you've loaded them.

I hope you understand why we take this stance on it

20 Jul 2011 - 17:1463687
I understand to an extent But a question I do have is if I took a photo of my bought item myself and uploaded it would that be moved to reference as well? If not, than what's the difference?

Sorry for sounding so picky xD I'm just trying to get my head around it

21 Jul 2011 - 09:1163811
We have to draw the line somewhere and whilst other cosplay sites don't allow references or photos of bought items at all, we decided to be more lenient.

Once you have an item in your posession it is part of the costume, there's no telling before hand if what you'll get will even match the photo and they tend to be watermarked all over with advertising, which again we don't want all over the front page

21 Jul 2011 - 10:0663813
Maybe we could have another tab then? Such as we'll have "photos" for complete and progress photos and then an "items" tab (or maybe a tick box in the photos thing) for things people have bought?

So on the photos tab people can see just complete costumes, or Complete and WIP photos and if they want they have the decision to see the 'items' as well? Sorry that doesn't make much sense xD

21 Jul 2011 - 10:1463814
Just to add to this. Sometimes people have reference images that are brilliant. Would it be possible to have a search function that allows you to browse people's reference images? I know I've stumbled on some really good ones here that I can't find myself online.

I dunno if that makes sense lol

Ayacon Plans
21 Jul 2011 - 11:5563825
BabemRose: I tend to make photos references if they're obviously from a website. If you have it in your possession. I don't tend to. It makes sense in my head LOL

Nixie: Can't you just search for the costumes and then look through people's images that way for references? Like, if you wanted Belle reference pictures, you could search for Belle cosplays and then go through each person's photos.

CosplayIsland Staff Member

21 Jul 2011 - 15:3463854
Quote sjbonnar:
BabemRose: I tend to make photos references if they're obviously from a website. If you have it in your possession. I don't tend to. It makes sense in my head LOL

It makes sense in a way like as Amy-Lou said you don't know what something looks like til it arrives. But still it's part of your costume. It's not a reference to what the costume looks like. What I'm getting at is that I could buy a pair of shoes from ebay and the photo could look like I took it but it won't be edited coz it looks like a "normal" photo. But then a "studio photo" of something I've bought will be edited to reference. That doesn't make sense to me because both items I've bought, and just coz one looks 'proffesional' I suppose it'll be edited - yet both are still pictures of something I've bought for my outfit - not a reference to the outfit.

21 Jul 2011 - 16:1363858
But also loads of people use these kinds of items (wigs, shoes, full outfits) as references for something they plan to make.

I know lots of people who will put up a full costume from ebay as a reference photo because they use it to plan their own.

When we moderate photos, we just get the picture and two tickboxes. One says reference, one says delete. We don't know whether the costume or item is being used as a reference, being used as an in-progress because it's just been bought or if it's just up because they couldn't get any photos at home.

The point is, we don't know when looking at them. So as a blanket rule...if it's from a website, it's reference. Did that make any more sense? ^_^'

CosplayIsland Staff Member

21 Jul 2011 - 16:2163860
Edited because SJ basicly said what I did and I just searched in the photos section and saw there was a tick box for showing only completed photos....now I'm confused.

Pictures of your Belle do show up though, I agree that it's nicer for completed stuff to show and the way it does now is pretty cool.

Clicking on the images to see the costume profile is a better way to see wip and in progress images tbh.

Last edited by Lulu Rose (21 Jul 2011 - 16:24)
21 Jul 2011 - 16:2863861
Yup, this is the thin line we tread as mods.

As mentioned previously we have to draw the line somewhere and anything with a shop watermark is an instant no for advertising reasons.

When we get to less clear cut images it's easy to pick out studio photos of items and ones that have been photoshopped heavily to look good on a shop listing.

Home shot images generally slip through because that image of a normal looking blue shoe could actually be a white shoe that someone has carefully dyed themselves to be perfect for their costume.
If in doubt I would rather let through the odd ebay photo than remove someones hard work.

Using the term 'reference' in these cases refers more to how the image is treated on site, rather than literal content. We'll look at changing the wording on the photo upload page if this will help.

21 Jul 2011 - 18:3463873
Ahh xD I get it now lol

The stuff about the advertising due to water marks and "is it/isn't it?" a ref photo makes sense I was looking at it the wrong way xD Sorry for being a pain

I think a wording change would be easier to understand =] or maybe a "bought items" choice XD Either way thanks for explaining it to me =]


Last edited by BabemRoze (21 Jul 2011 - 18:36)
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