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31 Jul 2011 - 18:1464837
Quote LiteDuo:
Ahh well first was Mcm been to 3-4 so far, Hyper Japan last year, London film con (thattt was boring lol went twice cause of mates 2nd time).
And LAC (anime league) went last year and this year so this be 2nd time.


Age applies massively as well. I checked your profile first to make sure before spectacularly putting my foot in it.

MCM and anything run by AL is okay when you're starting out on that quest for anime/cosplay events because a lot of others do have an age limit until you can attend. However when you begin to get old enough to go to these conventions, you start to realise where the good stuff really is. I hit that last year when I attended my first Amecon. I would have jumped at the chance for more events which I could do those things back then. But since being at a con as good as Ame, everything now seems to pale in comparison - even expo.
You can cover the stalls which are usually overrun by fake goods in very little time and then wait for any other events which are set up at their discretion. Whereas at Aya/Ame/Kita/Minami there is ALWAYS something going on as people volunteer to run panels. Futhermore it is run by the fans and for the fans rather than being something commercialised.

If you are old enough to attend one of these events, I would highly recommend that you do. You get your moneys worth for everything, and don't worry if you're not, just take the time to find out what the layouts of these cons are and take the time to decide which one your first one will be - you'll love it.


01 Aug 2011 - 02:0064912
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote LiteDuo:
Ahh well first was Mcm been to 3-4 so far, Hyper Japan last year, London film con (thattt was boring lol went twice cause of mates 2nd time).
And LAC (anime league) went last year and this year so this be 2nd time.


No, I mean a proper animé convention. Amecon, Ayacon, Kitacon, Minamicon etc. Can't really judge unless you do that.

Quote LiteDuo:
Oooo maybe not sure on that i just know he's been inside mcm so not banned , maybe joining mcm team no idea (as for anime league staff i know ppl who worked last year for mcm).


He's definitely been banned from anything MCM related.

I'm sorry, I'm generally quite neutral about the events themselves, but everything you've described thus far just sounds like a poorly organised piece of garbage and I'm trying to be open minded. I have friends that go, mostly the ones that get in free, and they enjoy hanging out with their friends in cosplay, but I've not heard a single person who isn't an AL lackie say that it's a great con.

I was kinda hoping you'd enlighten me.


ah sorry i forgot kita my bad, been to one but like said each to there own opinion as for hating lac= its fun for some ppl may not ur style but hey alot like with plus and down sides. *to help out im agreeing on overpriced stuff, not fun/boring (but for this im agreeing ifffff u do crap all there or even bother watching events or do anythinggg... if just stand there maybe for music u may as well quit now lol= speaking of exp here)

if u hating just cause of mike ? no offence some dont like him others do, he seems fine to me nor hate nor like, and as for mcm lol if u know reason y he's banned then pretty stupid.
bringing more customers for mcm expo <.<
p.s there areeeeee other ppl at lac u know so decent staff.

ahh well i like mixed so to be honest you guys have made good points which i do agree, but to say stuff that has been mentioned sounds badly or organised piece of garbage= cant agree with it.
first time i did crap all and was bored/shy, second time had most fun ever just cause joined events or gaming or clubbing, watched most the events but did join 1-2

One thing they have bands that are famous (some even jap), largeee gaming section (no offence even neo empire attend), the events sorry but not been to a con or expo (i know they diff but hey i like both so) with this much events = mcm had what masquadade+few tournies ? (do correct me if u know a expo oon with alot i may be mistaken)

anyways just agree to disagree lol im just saying my opinion cant say its shitt till u try it once !!= i know ppl who thought same thing till got them come 2nd time (since 1st i went by self lol...so dull since bit shy to even do events or anything by self... even gaming section)


01 Aug 2011 - 02:0864913
Quote Angel Tear:
Quote LiteDuo:
Ahh well first was Mcm been to 3-4 so far, Hyper Japan last year, London film con (thattt was boring lol went twice cause of mates 2nd time).
And LAC (anime league) went last year and this year so this be 2nd time.


Age applies massively as well. I checked your profile first to make sure before spectacularly putting my foot in it.

MCM and anything run by AL is okay when you're starting out on that quest for anime/cosplay events because a lot of others do have an age limit until you can attend. However when you begin to get old enough to go to these conventions, you start to realise where the good stuff really is. I hit that last year when I attended my first Amecon. I would have jumped at the chance for more events which I could do those things back then. But since being at a con as good as Ame, everything now seems to pale in comparison - even expo.
You can cover the stalls which are usually overrun by fake goods in very little time and then wait for any other events which are set up at their discretion. Whereas at Aya/Ame/Kita/Minami there is ALWAYS something going on as people volunteer to run panels. Futhermore it is run by the fans and for the fans rather than being something commercialised.

If you are old enough to attend one of these events, I would highly recommend that you do. You get your moneys worth for everything, and don't worry if you're not, just take the time to find out what the layouts of these cons are and take the time to decide which one your first one will be - you'll love it.


Totally agree with u on this i found out today that age limit was like 18- i think 30-40 ? or i dont know till what but got few mates who couldnt go since 17 .= it is more different experience though with clubbing at 7pm onwards with anime music etc and freestyle djs doing remixes of gaming songs. (may explain the age limit since bar i guess but still meh 18).
But yes try it before you hate it and do not hate a con cause of a single person i find that so stupiddd, so many ppl get scared off cause ppl talk crap about mike... its one person!!! out whole teams.

Btw, im not saying anime league is best lol sorry (though its fun in its own way) but for me its easier to go to cons in london and ones i know mcm = well doesnt come soon enough for me... hyper japan i kinda did get bored no offence cosplayers and such and stolls but i always compare it to mcm lol <.< which has crap load inside keep busy.
Besides that anime league least a different experience and fun again if u do stuff lol.

Basically sum it up in two says= Try the con before you hate it where you actually do something so prevents the boredom kicking in.
Quit hating Al for one person!! lol i mean really so many nice ppl in the teams.

P.s sorry to have such long messages, friend didnt want come with me cause they heard it sucks on this forum and im like well... biased really you cant say till you try, then it maybe not everyones cup of tea , and alot ppl hate al from what im seeing mike, mike, mike lol mostly or mcm banned them they must suck... till u get full story thats bit stupid.



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01 Aug 2011 - 12:2764938
I don't dislike the AL for one person. I know people IN the AL who hate him too. I dislike the AL for their aggressive tactics and often scary underage members and the fact that if you mention in certain places that you dislike Mike Towers you get a bunch of people attacking you.

You haven't actually...disproved anything I said or given any reasons against. Believe me, I would be happy if LAC was good, it would mean a local, cheap event for me to attend (as I'm in London).

I'm just waiting to hear any good reasons for it as I still haven't.

Plus, you can't really say "OMG THERE WERE SO MANY EVENTS GOING ON!" and then not say what they were. I'm actually genuinely curious about this, not attacking in any way.

At the same time, you can't say that other cons don't have better and I can say this without even hearing the events for one reason...this was one day. Most conventions are three days so while they won't have as many on each day, they'll have loads more over a weekend. Hell, the big cons will have panels, animé you can go watch, karaoke, a party, a big cosplay event, professional photographers, video games room, video games tournaments, a dealers room and a bring and buy sale all on ONE day.


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01 Aug 2011 - 12:3864942
Ok from what I can make out from your typing... You are saying Anime Con is great because of the events and bands? From what I heard (and saw at Anime League) the events are poorly organised and compared to the events and panels I've attended at other cons just downright boring. Their judging system for masquerades sound like a joke as well. As for "famous" bands, well the other cons get these to attend also so it doesn't really sell it for me.

Also to mention what everyone else is prob thinking... You joined this site yesterday, have put nothing on your profile, haven't uploaded costumes and the only thread you have posted in is this one. Makes me think you're only here to "defend" this poor excuse for a con.

EDIT- And let's not forget they think birth certificates are an acceptable form of ID to get into their events. I emailed them to question this and didn't get a response. No surprise.


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01 Aug 2011 - 13:1864950
Quote Leonie Heartilly:
Also to mention what everyone else is prob thinking... You joined this site yesterday, have put nothing on your profile, haven't uploaded costumes and the only thread you have posted in is this one. Makes me think you're only here to "defend" this poor excuse for a con.
I was curious about this too.
4 posts all on a LAC thread is a little bit suspicious.


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01 Aug 2011 - 16:4164976
Mike Towers isn't "just one person". He's the ORGANISER. The profits made from AL-events go straight into his bank account, unlike most other events where the profits go to charity. The "by fans for fans" thing is bullcrap. It's "by fans, for Mike's benefit."

Mike Towers is like the Rupert Murdoch of the UK anime scene. He's trash. He's underhanded. He's exploitative. He's greedy. I'd never pay the Murdoch clan for Sky TV, likewise, I'd never pay Towers for AL-events.

He's been offered a number of times by different people to explain himself to the people and organisations that he's abused in the past, and he's never shown the backbone to take the offer. He's ostracised himself from two major UK forums, been banned from the biggest events in the UK, he's a liar, a manipulator, he's been accused of sexual predation NUMEROUS times. No one single ounce of my being could let someone like that profit from my money. EVER. I like my conscience clean.


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01 Aug 2011 - 18:2164993
Quote xaerael:
The "by fans for fans" thing is bullcrap. It's "by fans, for Mike's benefit."


I meant the proper cons have this ethos. Trust me, I know one of the organisers of Ame and I'm fully aware of the work they put in to it and why they do it. I'm certainly anti-AL. I was trying to explain the major differences between the two types of events.


01 Aug 2011 - 18:2764994
Oh, I know. It was no sleight against you at all, it was a comment against how AL portrays itself. AL is a business, which is rare (if not unique) in the UK anime con scene. I don't think any other convention has staff who draw a "wage" from their events proceeds.

There's nothing wrong with it, but it irks me that it's something that isn't made clear.


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01 Aug 2011 - 18:5564995
That's fine, I just wanted to make sure since the views of AL are very...mixed.

I sure hope that this isn't a troll though. I'd hate to think I actually wasted my time writing something we all pretty much know D:


01 Aug 2011 - 19:1064997
Quote Ice-climber:
Anyway, just remember; You can't spell fail without AL.


Nice to see my little slogan is still doing the rounds


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01 Aug 2011 - 19:1264999
Quote tomaki-suoh:
Quote Ice-climber:
Anyway, just remember; You can't spell fail without AL.


Nice to see my little slogan is still doing the rounds


I think it's safe to say that it is truely immortal.


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01 Aug 2011 - 20:0665008
Quote sjbonnar:
I don't dislike the AL for one person. I know people IN the AL who hate him too. I dislike the AL for their aggressive tactics and often scary underage members and the fact that if you mention in certain places that you dislike Mike Towers you get a bunch of people attacking you.

You haven't actually...disproved anything I said or given any reasons against. Believe me, I would be happy if LAC was good, it would mean a local, cheap event for me to attend (as I'm in London).

I'm just waiting to hear any good reasons for it as I still haven't.

Plus, you can't really say "OMG THERE WERE SO MANY EVENTS GOING ON!" and then not say what they were. I'm actually genuinely curious about this, not attacking in any way.

At the same time, you can't say that other cons don't have better and I can say this without even hearing the events for one reason...this was one day. Most conventions are three days so while they won't have as many on each day, they'll have loads more over a weekend. Hell, the big cons will have panels, animé you can go watch, karaoke, a party, a big cosplay event, professional photographers, video games room, video games tournaments, a dealers room and a bring and buy sale all on ONE day.




cause theres too many just check site out ?
i dont know them all i mainly join either genral quiz since the answers ppl give always a laugh, game tournies, or upstairs mainly like the dub that anime which is fun, or cosplay showings. (didnt have time to go to all events this time so i cant really remember them)

umm have u even gone once ? if so and didnt like then fair enough i wont say anything ur entittled to ur opinion since some like it some dont.
if u havent well -_- this waste of time.

Hell, the big cons will have panels, animé you can go watch, karaoke, a party, a big cosplay event, professional photographers, video games room, video games tournaments, a dealers room and a bring and buy sale all on ONE day.

= umm big cons name me some, not seen karaoke in any o.o. or party ? huh unless mcm well yeah mcm has that hotel party fair do but hear so much crap from going with overpriced drinks lol.= game tournies well card games/or ds, but yeah they got video section but with amount of ppl and the fewwww games they have, o.o bring and buy is in any con lol

01 Aug 2011 - 20:0965009
Quote Leonie Heartilly:
Ok from what I can make out from your typing... You are saying Anime Con is great because of the events and bands? From what I heard (and saw at Anime League) the events are poorly organised and compared to the events and panels I've attended at other cons just downright boring. Their judging system for masquerades sound like a joke as well. As for "famous" bands, well the other cons get these to attend also so it doesn't really sell it for me.

Also to mention what everyone else is prob thinking... You joined this site yesterday, have put nothing on your profile, haven't uploaded costumes and the only thread you have posted in is this one. Makes me think you're only here to "defend" this poor excuse for a con.

EDIT- And let's not forget they think birth certificates are an acceptable form of ID to get into their events. I emailed them to question this and didn't get a response. No surprise.


o.0 cause i got better stuff do then go on forums sorry,
i just came on to say dont judge till try it basically.
its fun for some its not for others simple as, just annoys me saying its shit when alot of u havent even gone to one= it puts ppl off with so much crap.
had drag a mate lol and he even had fun even after hearing all this bad publicity from u guys.
(anyways im not going repeat those main things so pointless continueing)

= i just replied because of a friend that is only reason i joined, i rather cosplay and get feedback on day instead foruming, or meet ppl on day/fb chats if need. help.

but fair do if gone and dislike it i really dont think its for everyone.



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01 Aug 2011 - 20:4065017
Quote LiteDuo:

= umm big cons name me some, not seen karaoke in any o.o. or party ? huh unless mcm well yeah mcm has that hotel party fair do


Ayacon, Amecon and Kitacon all do karaoke and parties. Most will have a party every night of the con. I haven't been to Minamicon personally but I'm sure they do the same.
MCM Expo is NOT a convention, don't confuse them.


Quote LiteDuo:

i just came on to say dont judge till try it basically.
i just replied because of a friend that is only reason i joined


My point proven.


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01 Aug 2011 - 20:5365018
Quote xaerael:
Mike Towers isn't "just one person". He's the ORGANISER. The profits made from AL-events go straight into his bank account, unlike most other events where the profits go to charity. The "by fans for fans" thing is bullcrap. It's "by fans, for Mike's benefit."


I am so glad I caught this thread before it got locked because:

THIS! this this this a thousand times this!

THIS IS TRUE!

DON'T belive anyone who says otherwise, people know it's true, he's been called on it several times and alot of us have first hand experience with said information about this.

Mine is:

I went to the first Alcon which might I add was a shambles, it would be an essay for me to recite it all so I'll just say this:

On the Sunday, I tried to find Mike to tell him that I'd finished and tidied away my impromptu bring and buy stall because we were promised that there would be one, then there wasn't so I was like "fffff that! I'll open one!"

I was directed to the committee ops room, where I was about to knock when I heard this from Mikes mouth:

"We made alot of money on this, I'll split it between us"

That might not be the exact quote but that is pretty much what he said.

I'd previously only informed other convention committee of this because they needed to know, but now it's apparent and theres a convienient thread. I just thought I'd pop that in there.

Also.......he tried to get a very good friend of mine drunk and followed them back to their hotel room at a previous expo.....they were all under age at the time and Mike appaently boasted about how he was the "oldest" there.

Said close friend is basicly my step sister, needless to say I would like my foot to meet his face, then crotch, then face again whilst wearing diamond shoes!


01 Aug 2011 - 21:1165027
I will admit the first AL event i went to i really enjoyed however i wouldn't put that down to the event itself but by the people i was with.

I went to LAC last june hoping it would be good as the first one i went to but it was horribly ran, i sat outside near enough the whole time and couldn't even get a drink because of the ridiculous prices.

Then I went to Alcon and again the only parts i enjoyed were spending time with friends which to be honest i could have done anywhere. The events at cons i normally like were awful - the masquerade for example was ran poorly. There was no serious to it at all.

"ok we are going to leave the judges to make their decision... in the meantime.... err... err everyone come on stage and dance stupidly for no apparent reason"

I can say i did not find out who won because I left straight away.

Don't get me wrong i love a bit of fun, but when the entire organisation of a convention is ran like this I feel i was sort of cheated out of the money I gave to go there.

The parties - well don't get me started.

I enjoyed a panel with Tab that was there and a bit og the games room, but you can find games rooms and panels by tab and many much better cons.

I will agree with you some of the staff at AL are generally lovely and caring people and I don't really like mike, (not however because of rumours as i don't tend to believe something unless i have hard evidence) but because he's pestering and annoying and i believe he actually had the nerve to hack into the expo page on facebook and sent a message about LAC.

He's like a pestering child and needs to grow up.

I am perfectly happy with Expo, it may not have parties but if every cosplay event were the same it would be rather boring. I also loved Amecon and Kitacon a lot better than Alcon.

Just my opinion though x.


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01 Aug 2011 - 21:5165030
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LiteDuo=umm big cons name me some, not seen karaoke in any o.o. or party ? huh unless mcm well yeah mcm has that hotel party fair do but hear so much crap from going with overpriced drinks lol.= game tournies well card games/or ds, but yeah they got video section but with amount of ppl and the fewwww games they have, o.o bring and buy is in any con lol


Ok ame aya kita and minami con all have karaoke with big list of anime, j pop and video game songs, from what I herd lac karaoke dose not have any anime, j pop or game songs makeing it pointless in my eyes I can sing nomal song in the karaoke bar I go to anytime. I have been to LAC I went last year it was the wost con I ever been to as said befor ealyer in this therd.



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01 Aug 2011 - 22:5865035
Hitman: might want to edit your post and put the quote in italics and quotation marks, to avoid people thinking you originally said that (because I had to scroll back up and make sure it was that you were quoting something. I also can't spell quoting :B but yeah)

Just to avoid some sort of backlash.

But yeah, Ame, aya, kita, minami, auchinawa and whatever ones I missed out that are proper conventions and not anything run by anime league or MT or are EXPOS run by MCM and the like always have had parties of some sort and karaeoke....which I also can't spell but screw it.

You really can't judge UK events properly if you havn't been to a convention like the ones listed above.


01 Aug 2011 - 23:0665037
sorry I edited my post



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02 Aug 2011 - 18:4465109
Quote LiteDuo:
i just came on to say dont judge till try it basically.
its fun for some its not for others simple as, just annoys me saying its shit when alot of u havent even gone to one= it puts ppl off with so much crap.

But quite a few people said they have been to ALcon or LAC, Or whatever the heck the convention's name is.

And the people who have gone, we generally tend to trust the opinion of. Provided we know that they know what they're talking about...

Damn... I lost the point that I was making... :/
And possibly ended up being rude. Crap.


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02 Aug 2011 - 19:3865126
Quote Perry:

But quite a few people said they have been to ALcon or LAC, Or whatever the heck the convention's name is.

And the people who have gone, we generally tend to trust the opinion of. Provided we know that they know what they're talking about...

Damn... I lost the point that I was making... :/
And possibly ended up being rude. Crap.


But still oh so true.


02 Aug 2011 - 20:2465142
Quote Lulu Rose:

Also.......he tried to get a very good friend of mine drunk and followed them back to their hotel room at a previous expo.....they were all under age at the time and Mike appaently boasted about how he was the "oldest" there.

Said close friend is basicly my step sister, needless to say I would like my foot to meet his face, then crotch, then face again whilst wearing diamond shoes!


Hello everyone, Jae here.

Now, I may not be a well known person, many of you have only "seen me around" or on the edges.

I've been doing this anime event thing for a while now and I've learned quite a bit from several hundred people I've spoken to regarding AL (No, really).

- I don't have enough fingers on my hands to count how many girls have told me stories of how he is a lech/creep/perv/dirty old man and how low he will stoop to get some ass. And trust me when I say I didn't like to play chicken with the bonfire night fireworks.

- Poor organisation is the paper maché foundation of an overweight unhealthy enterprise. The result is an ugly crumbling mess held together with a gimmicky and tacky veneer that calls out to those who have such little social ability it's almost quite pitiful upon them.

- Alcohol is the hidden cornerstone of AL, be it bought in bulk or snuck in. There seems to be no rules about how this is regulated. In fact it seems to be the only thing to do, unless you're a girl then you've got to stay sober. Unless you want to wake up with a Mike Towers in your bed (That, sadly was not a joke. I'll give you a second to fetch a bucket for your lunch).

- Elitism, enough to choke on. More elitism than the entire Tory Party at a Miner's Conference in Doncaster. Holy Shit there's elitism, and then there's the kind you can pay for. Because, hey, if you got money, you're better than everyone else at AL.


I gotta go eat. More later.

Stay tuned!



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03 Aug 2011 - 15:0365284
towers is nothing more than a greedy, backstabbing **** i've ever heard off.

It was a laugh at kitacon 2, anyone remember the artist room and towers had a fit basically? xDD

not to mention, when i was a beginner into conventions, AL was my first in 2009, it was my last AL, it was nothing much but a drinking gatheround, rather use my money for a £100 battery.

i've seen the photos, there was nothing good there, and most of the attendees in the masquerade, i don't want to be mean, but awful, only stating opinion, not saying names, so can't sue me, and not to mention, i got people in london telling me AL is good and whatnot, when i personally say that i have no interest and such, they shunned me, well its not my fault that you have to try and promote a dying convention, seriously, AL is basically losing customers, towers is offering tickets on the door, shows how much he needs people to come and sit around doing eff all and drink, i can simply do that in the comfort off my own home with friends i know well and have a better laugh and do things without issues.

but yeah, can't get any better than watching AL gets slammed and have pathetic fans trying to convince people otherwise, with the old statement ''BUT ITS BETTER THIS TIME'' i want my proof that its going to be better this time, i want a number of how many tickets were sold and how appreciated the event was in the past year, i've seen posts about nothing of how AL was the most pile of **** they've seen

not to mention towers has over 3k friends on facebook, he likes to attention seek then, real people don't need more than 500 friends on facebook, i'd rather have people i know close and those i'd like to talk to have me on my facebook


03 Aug 2011 - 15:2065289
Quote Tiduus227:

It was a laugh at kitacon 2, anyone remember the artist room and towers had a fit basically? xDD


*grins*
Tell me more...


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