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05 Jun 2011 - 15:2358684
Not Allowed To Cosplay Because Your Not Perfect? Wut?
A dear friend of mine has been trolled. Not on 4chan but via e-mail. The e-mail suggested for her to quit cosplaying for not being attractive enough. He told her not to cosplay again, not even crossplay. And she puts shame to cosplaying by going out and doing it the way she looks.

This has really hurt her. Both her feelings and passion for cosplay.

I personally think it's quite horrid how some people see cosplayers not as a bunch of people having fun with a hobby, but as something that needs to be serious and spot on. If your not good looking enough to do the cosplay, then you should stay away from it.

Before anyone says anything. Yes, I do understand people take cosplay to the next level and want to be spot on and look fantastic. But things like that is get going way over the top. =/

What do you guys feel about this? Should cosplay only be for people who have the perfect body? Or should it be open to everyone no matter what you look? Show this horrible person that he's wrong.


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05 Jun 2011 - 15:4858689
Seriously gaiz ¬_¬ why do people enjoy drama so much. Especially when it's just people standing up for other peoples feelings! What is wrong with being nice =/.

Anyway yeah removed my post as somebody on /cgl/ spotted the thread and hopes it turns into drama.

I don't think anyone will take any notice anyway but still.

Sucks when you can't even voice your opinions especially when trying to make someone feel better!

I hope your friend ignores the nasty comments and keeps enjoying themselves =).


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05 Jun 2011 - 16:3958696
This has been something that has been bothering me for quite a while. Personally I see it as more of a hobby that should be enjoyed regardless who you are rather than an excuse to be a **** towards others. I hate it when people treat it like a beauty contest as we all are different.

I like being in the UK as a cosplayer. Despite having a slightly relaxed mindset about it (we do it for fun, also to make new friends and learn costuming), we are rather passionate for what we do and passion for cosplay is more important than being pretty IMO.

Yes, I do like a challenge, I sometimes edit photos for fun (but ALWAYS post unedited photos) and like to give it my all every now and then but a person's physical appearance should never determine whether or not they should cosplay.


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05 Jun 2011 - 19:1158719
I agree! There are lots of us out there who don't have the 'perfect' body that the characters we try to portray do and that shouldn't matter. It's good to cosplay characters you really love and enjoy yourself.

However, if you are on the larger side or can;t pull off something skimpy and VERY revealing then why do it? There are plenty of people out there who will not hold back with their nasty comments and by wearing something revealing you are just making yourself a target.

Personally I am not happy parts of my body as I feel overweight and so I don't cosplay certain people I would like to because I know that it's not going to look good!!

Overall: cosplay who you want as no one has the perfect anime/manga girl body. However don;t be silly and make yourself a target by wearing something that is going to attract unpleasant comments from idiots!


05 Jun 2011 - 19:4258725
Quote Ashika:

Overall: cosplay who you want as no one has the perfect anime/manga girl body. However don;t be silly and make yourself a target by wearing something that is going to attract unpleasant comments from idiots!


Not really fair tbh. I think as long as you're aware that the likelihood of being insulted when you're a larger cosplayer then do whichever character you want. Just don't be surprised when someone slags you off.

I don't really give a damn what size someone is when they cosplay. Or what they look like. Hey, maybe I'm biased cause I'm size 16 and not that pretty.

But I've known a girl who've said that anyone over size 10 shouldn't cosplay. Really angered me. Especially since her cosplays were terrible (the sort that would simple cosplays, but not get them correct in the slightest).

I'm an odd person. If a brilliant cosplayer said the same thing, I wouldn't be as angry, more upset.


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06 Jun 2011 - 10:2358773
People who say such horrible things don't deserve the time of day. No-one can decide who can and can't cosplay. It's about having fun and a good hobby. Everyone has the right to cosplay whoever they like! I really don't think anyone has the perfect "anime body" anyway because a lot of the characters are proportionally impossible XD

My friends and I have recieved harsh comments as a result of photos coming out of May Expo. I was called fat (which I really don't think can be justified XD) and unattractive but these people are just trolling and for every negative comment there are loads of people around that will defend you and give you positive feedback

It is a shame that people can't just keep their negative thoughts to themselves but unfortunetly I don't think this will ever be the case The best thing to do is just be aware that there will always be people who will be negative no matter how amazing your costume looks and learn to ignore them =/

If your having fun with your cosplay then ultimately that is all that matters!


06 Jun 2011 - 10:5558776
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Ashika:

Overall: cosplay who you want as no one has the perfect anime/manga girl body. However don;t be silly and make yourself a target by wearing something that is going to attract unpleasant comments from idiots!


Not really fair tbh. I think as long as you're aware that the likelihood of being insulted when you're a larger cosplayer then do whichever character you want. Just don't be surprised when someone slags you off.


I am the same size as you and wouldn't really consider a size 16 as big. By large I meant really quite large as in the pictures you see online of massive women cosplaying something like Rikku with just a bikini top and tiny skirt. And I guess I phrased it a bit wrong but I meant the same as you.. be aware that if you are cosplaying something revealing then you are going to attract the attention of nasty people and unfortunately there seems to be plenty of them out there.


06 Jun 2011 - 11:1058777
I swear this thread should get bullet pointed and then summarised in another thread that summarises every subject that's ever been talked about.

I'll list a few things.

- Anything anyone says, or types, or implies cannot physically stop you from doing what you want. If they could then it's witchcraft and according to tradition they should be burned at the stake.

- The person who says stuff like that is either jealous that your friend has the confidence to cosplay, or in some way is unhappy with their life enough to make someone else feel bad.

- A lot of cosplayers cosplay to their strengths, I know I do. However it's about having fun and for a moment feeling like your idol.

- Descrimination based on weight is a grey area. I'm not sure if your friend was called unnattractive due to this. It's a grey area because weight is one area where you can change your situation, it's something you can help therefore to rally sympathy is difficult.

- If your friend is deemed unnattractive, I'm sure there's someone out there who'd find her stunning. I for example don't find girls attractive unless they're crazy in the noggin, highlights or crazy colour hair, an outroverted introvert and somewhat hellbent to do unspeakable things to me. (<3 you, darling).

- All of you gals shouldn't think of yourselves in terms of binary pretty/not pretty. It doesn't work like that, base it on the rule of how well you rock the outfit. It's not who you are, or what you wear, its how you wear it. Little bit of chutzpah never hurt anyone.


Also, Ashika, don't change that bust. Good gravy, if I was able to blush, I would.


06 Jun 2011 - 11:1058778
nobody is perfect. be it your skinny or big. Short or tall. Have boobs or have none at all etcetc. As human beings we are not graced with the exact body proportions as a fictional cartoon or game character.

As long your happy then love the moment, love your costume and most of all love yourself.

Everyone gets haters, no matter what. Just mentally turn your middle finger up at the them. Or just picture this image:



These are the reasons why I do my make-up workshops. Not to dictate to people what they should do, but to actually give people the confidence they want/need. If you feel you look good on the outside no matter what anyone says it won't break you.


06 Jun 2011 - 11:2258779
What if someone cosplays as, say, a power puff girl... because I've never met anyone with the same physical build of a power puff girl but I've seen people cosplay as them.

I think of cosplaying as mainly some fun you can have with your friends. It gives you a project to work on in your free time. I feel it shouldn't have to be 100% spot on and does it matter if you look like the character? It is essential fancy dress on a bigger scale.
I think it's really cool when people do the really detailed costumes and am always impressed with the more impressive costumes.
But it's wrong to say someone should be barred from doing it based on physical appearance.
The problem with the internet is that because it grants so much anonymity people think they can say whatever they want.
Your friend should ignore this idiot and do whatever she feels happy doing.


06 Jun 2011 - 11:4258781
Personally i cosplay because its really fun and if people wanna criticise they can. to be honest if i dont look perfect to the character im cosplaying well i dont care, i cosplay for me no one else. Just tell them to take there criticism somewere else if there really harsh like that . HATERS GUNNA HATE


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06 Jun 2011 - 16:5458809
Quote JaeXD:
- Anything anyone says, or types, or implies cannot physically stop you from doing what you want. If they could then it's witchcraft and according to tradition they should be burned at the stake.

- The person who says stuff like that is either jealous that your friend has the confidence to cosplay, or in some way is unhappy with their life enough to make someone else feel bad.

- A lot of cosplayers cosplay to their strengths, I know I do. However it's about having fun and for a moment feeling like your idol.

- Descrimination based on weight is a grey area. I'm not sure if your friend was called unnattractive due to this. It's a grey area because weight is one area where you can change your situation, it's something you can help therefore to rally sympathy is difficult.

- If your friend is deemed unnattractive, I'm sure there's someone out there who'd find her stunning. I for example don't find girls attractive unless they're crazy in the noggin, highlights or crazy colour hair, an outroverted introvert and somewhat hellbent to do unspeakable things to me. (<3 you, darling).

- All of you gals shouldn't think of yourselves in terms of binary pretty/not pretty. It doesn't work like that, base it on the rule of how well you rock the outfit. It's not who you are, or what you wear, its how you wear it. Little bit of chutzpah never hurt anyone.


Sir, I like the way you think.


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06 Jun 2011 - 17:1158814
geez loise - if u love cosplay it shouldent matter what others think - it all comes down to self confidence if u like the way u look than thats all that matters plus cosplay is just for fun x


06 Jun 2011 - 17:5558826
Oh god i hear this far to often!!! >__<

I so agree with this too, quite frankly getting sick of cosplayers trying to outdo one and other, and of trolls/bullys and other cosplayers putting you down for your own outfits..., its just a bit of fun for fuck sake, cosplay should bring people together not tear them apart, and i love saying nice things to other people. Cosplay is just... its just full of so much jealousy and hate now, and its really hard to see, hard to take..i can't even comprehend what goes through peoples mind when they say nasty things to one and other , out of order. And completley prejustice.

I think its ok to take it to a certain level - i mean, self satisfaction wise, for me i cosplay to self satisfy myself with my costumes, i couldn't give a crap if anyone ever said that they were crap or whatever, so long as i was happy with them, who cares what anyone else thinks.

Still, i know it is as much an art as a hobby, people and trolls do need to fuck of and find something better to do then bully others over what they think is not 'upto standered' don't listen to anyone else, just to whatever you wanna do, and if your enjoying it then great! your probably haveing a lot more fun with it then someone who takes themself too seriously.


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06 Jun 2011 - 18:5358849
Cosplaying is something to do because you want to because it's a fab hobby.
If we only dressed as things we looked like, I would have to dress as Velma Dinkley.

FFS, it's just stupid that people have to feel the need to insult others who are having fun. This guy is obviously an idiot.


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06 Jun 2011 - 19:5358872
My friend had the same problem. This dude said on one of her Maylene cosplays photos on dA saying bad stuff about her weight (even though she looked fantastic in the cosplay). Being my husband (best friend ever!) I replied with a snotty comment back, and the inbred loser never replied ¬_¬ Coward. Not because it was a chance to get bitchy, because I don't like to have to do it, but because his hurtful comments insulted me and hurt me too. I'm really sorry to hear to the extent of the harassment your friend got I hope she's not disheartened by it. Besides, no-one is perfect. but still EVERYONE can cosplay D:


06 Jun 2011 - 20:0458877
Oh I hear this kind of thing all the time. I almost quit cosplay in the early stages because of it when I was weaker in my mindset.

It's the nature of the hobby unfortunately. Not nice, but if you're going to be a cosplayer, you have to get used to it. I've seen plenty of drop-dead stunning people getting slammed for their looks so...just let it wash over you and move on.

I would have been crushed ages ago if I took on everything people said.


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06 Jun 2011 - 22:3758901
Quote Han Hyuga:


Sir, I like the way you think.


*tip of the hat*

If Everyone listened to me we'd all be a lot happier.

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Yet filled with a bit of shame.


07 Jun 2011 - 10:4558960
I was told I shouldnt cosplay by someone I thought was my friend a few years ago when I first started. But it didnt stop me.

Fair enough some of the outfits I want to do are not really for my body type. If you have seen me around then you know how big I am!

I dont really care, trolls are just bots that are bored, Ive been botted and trolled, even had someone hack my CI account calling me fat and all that jazz, but I find it funny at the fact people have to go so low as to make someone else feel bad so they can feel good about something.

I say sod them all! Just enjoy cosplay and make sure you feel good and dont care about what anyone else says.


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10 Jun 2011 - 18:4159356
People like that aren't worth bothering about. Just ignore them and enjoy doing what you love.


11 Jun 2011 - 17:5659430
Seems I'm a bit late to the party, but can I just say that your friend hasn't been "trolled" because this person said she can't cosplay for whatever reason. Thats just being an arse, trolling is actually more complex than simply insulting a person. And no, I'm not a troll, but I know a fair amount of them. Trolling is more being a wind-up merchant for personal amusement than just insulting a person for the sake of it. The definition seems to have been distorted though its time on the internet. /rant

Anyway, yes, as others here are saying, do just ignore people like that. If your friend wants to cosplay then she has every right to do so. If she is happy with herself, then nothing anybody says to her should make her want to stop.


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11 Jun 2011 - 20:1159458
Nobodies perfect... just sayin'! Haha, we cosplayers are though lol. People who insult others when they have no basis to insult amuse me.


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15 Jun 2011 - 13:5960034
Gods, I hate it when people think cosplay is Serius Bizniz. The clue is in the name, costume-play. It is supposed to be for fun.

Only insecure people will do something like that in order to make themselves feel better and they are not worth the time of day. As others have said, they cannot physically stop your friend from cosplaying unless the somehow magically jump through the computer screen, chain you up and practice cosplay aversion therapy on you. They may wish they were from Tron, but they are not. And anyway, you ain't made it til you've been called fat on the internet.

I've been called fat both online and to my face when I was only a size 12 in trousers (bigger on top, but that's due to stupid boobs). I also know someone who was called fat on 4chan, even though she was a UK size 4-6 and seriously underweight due to illness.

Size 16 is not fat, it is the UK average for women. As long as you are healthy and happy, then size shouldn't matter. As long as you enjoy what you're doing and are happily running around like a shiney spanner with your friends, then who cares that you're bigger than the character or that you're only 5ft and female, but crossplaying a 6ft manri man? Have fun and don't let others put you down. As angelaiko said, haters gonna hate and you shouldn't ever let it stop you from doing what you love.

I've seen people in some seriously, I'm not gonna lie, badly made costumes (and have made some myself), but they were having fun and that's all that matters. I've also seen people in some amazing costumes who looked like their faces were tripping them and you really didn't even want to approach them. Tbh, I would much rather see people in something that, hey, yeah it only took them 5-secs to throw together out of stuff they already had in their closet and they can't really sew yet anyway than a spectacularly hand-crafted masterpiece that took them 5 years and £700 to make, but they're having an absoluetely rubbish time and spend the whole con telling others that their efforts are crap. Everyone has to start somewhere and more experienced cosplayers should help out the less expierienced ones to improve and encourage them, not discourage them. Unless they have free hugs signs. In which case you can kill them with fire and it's perfectly legal.

Live and let live. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all those other clichees. Don't be a drama llama and all will be well.


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