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31 May 2011 - 17:3058073
Quote Ice-climber:
Quote nert:
Quote Tiduus227:
i have no intention to go back to mcm because of everything, they are clearly clueless..


Once again, this has nothing to do with Expo, taking it out on them is only making us all look worse.


I have been saying this for the last two days.

What worse is it seems that Mike Towers is behind the Facebook thing. And we all he doesn't have alterior motives...


MCM still have those posts to make them look like a***holes to those affected, and can't show respect or sympathy

and about the mike towers behind that facebook thing, i couldn't agree more to be honest, especially with that AL related PM that everyone was sent ¬¬


31 May 2011 - 17:5458075
Quote nert:

The News of the World and Take A Break were there too, do you think they should've been refused entry too?


I actually felt sorry for the News of the world guy. He was wandering around with a union jack zentai on and was feeling more than a little bit self conscious (he asked at the cosplay desk if we had any spare bits of costume he could borrow ). Shortly after speaking to him he tried to ask a small group of girls in cosplay a couple of questions, he had his badge showing and it said news of the world on his mic but I heard the girls decline and say "that must be big brother" as they walked off

This whole situation has been blown out of proportion by the reaction and while I feel sorry for you Rain that your picture has been used, the article only really states what their readership actually thinks and is actually more polite than some of the comments about cosplayers I overheard on my way to excel several times over the course of weekend. We need to rise above stuff like this because some people will never understand our hobby. Besides do you think anyone other than this community is still thinking about that tiny article?



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31 May 2011 - 18:5658080
Quote Tiduus227:
MCM still have those posts to make them look like a***holes to those affected, and can't show respect or sympathy


What are you expecting from them? There is nothing they can about this. There is also a fine line that has to be treaded.

Right now they are getting nothing but Whiny internet bitches.


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31 May 2011 - 19:1158082
Can I just say I dont blame mcm for this and I was not behind the facebook group thing. I posted this thread because I knew sooner or later someone else was going to and I wanted some clear advice/suggestions on what to do.


31 May 2011 - 19:2158088
Quote Rain:
Can I just say I dont blame mcm for this and I was not behind the facebook group thing. I posted this thread because I knew sooner or later someone else was going to and I wanted some clear advice/suggestions on what to do.


Fair enough, it looks like there are alot of people who are. Really the best thing you can do is make a complaint to the Press Complaints commisssion.

Showmasters are being really optertunistic over the whole thing. I never expected that from them but I guess they've been hanging around Mike Towers for too long.


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31 May 2011 - 19:3158091
i'm not gonna really bother with saying anymore cause i know i'm not gonna go anywhere with it

and about that facebook thing, the admins of that page are all associated with AL, i know them and talked to them before, so i know you have nothing to do with it.

but yeah as ice climber said, thats pretty much the only thing you could do

and regarding to mcm, all i would like to see is them apologizing for everything happened towards those affected, thats all i want to see if its not too much to ask


31 May 2011 - 19:4758092
Quote agi:
Quote nert:

The News of the World and Take A Break were there too, do you think they should've been refused entry too?


I actually felt sorry for the News of the world guy. He was wandering around with a union jack zentai on and was feeling more than a little bit self conscious (he asked at the cosplay desk if we had any spare bits of costume he could borrow ). Shortly after speaking to him he tried to ask a small group of girls in cosplay a couple of questions, he had his badge showing and it said news of the world on his mic but I heard the girls decline and say "that must be big brother" as they walked off.


The News of the World guy actually sounds quite sweet, and if he was wearing what could maybe be classed as cosplay, there wouldn't be a bad article written. Or would that be a case of wolf in sheep's clothing?


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31 May 2011 - 20:3758102
Quote Tiduus227:
and regarding to mcm, all i would like to see is them apologizing for everything happened towards those affected, thats all i want to see if its not too much to ask


Yes, it is. They have done nothing wrong here.


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31 May 2011 - 22:3758126
mcm isn't at any fault. denying the DS and BB goons access could have damaged their rep far more than giving them the opportunity to act responsibly.

and in the grand scheme of things, at least the DS and BB goons acted MORE honestly than the surreptitious AL goons that camped on the DLR bridge, handing out pamphlets for their convention. the simple fact that AL goons are propping up this supposed "uprising/boycott against mcm for betraying our community" enhances the comedic nature of the whole incident.

i don't like what DS and BB are doing, but it's in their individual natures to make facets of our society look foolish to their target audiences who generally have little imagination, and find anyone with even a remote degree of creativity a threat. poo attracts flies and all that stuff.

BB in the past, right from the start infact, has picked out something to ridicule by bringing in an extremist of a selected demographic. whether it's a vegan who wouldn't eat anything but tofu, or a defiant punk. whatever they do, our community won't be affected. infact, if it backfires like the DS mocking of the furry fandom, where that particular fandom had a massive surge in interest, it's actually likely that there will be even more positive interest in our fandom from people who maybe in the past would feel somehow embarrassed about involving themselves.

at the end of the day, anyone who actually seriously watches BB, or reads the DS like it's a reliable commentary on our society are pretty much unlikely to ever have any interest in the events BB and DS are trying so hard to make look bad. morons already make fun of "geeks" and "nerds", trust me, i've had more than my fair share of people trying (too) hard to make fun of me. it's upsetting and annoying to the point where you realise that simple minded people will attack whatever the more unreliable media sources say is bad. the fact you're the one being attacked means you're capable of individual thought. that's why in the end, people like those in our community are far more likely to fill roles in management, while the "hive mind" that try hard to attack us are more likely to be stacking shelves.


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31 May 2011 - 23:2258131
Going back to the first poster, you agreed to the photo and yes you should have asked them to delete it after. You might be able to request it be deleted under not signing a release form but their argument could be by entering expo you acknowledged people could and would use your image if wanted, so you could be pretty screwed there, your only real option is the PCC as people have said in the hope they give them a spanking, but don't hope for much.

As for the AL Goons, as much as I disprove of some of the things MCM say and do sometimes, AL will always do and say worse in my opinion, even if MCM completely pissed me off, I still wouldn't attend an AL event, attacking another event doesn't sadly make yours any better and it's this behavior that puts me off frankly, that and getting verbally raped every time I say something negative about AL. I wish them luck but it seems too immature for me.

Frankly for a moment there I was getting some respect back for AL for not being so petty and in people's faces, seems that was misplaced.

IN B4 AL!


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31 May 2011 - 23:5358136
Quote Ryzy-San:

Frankly for a moment there I was getting some respect back for AL for not being so petty and in people's faces, seems that was misplaced.


you're not the first person that this has happened to. the reality of the matter is that AL propaganda is more tabloidistic than the tabloids who are supposedly causing the upset. it's getting to a sad stage where the very last straws are certainly being grasped for, and i feel sorry for the people who are probably being encouraged to hop on the bandwagon, only to find that it's got an ALcon ticket booth inside.

in all probability, very little will come of it, and this time next year, it will all be forgotten about.

i've been doing a little research into the DS and found this definition of the publication:

'Red-top' tabloid launched in 1978. The first new national for 75 years, it tried to take on the Sun with colour centre spreads of topless 'Star Birds'. Sister to the Express. Lack of investment meant failure as mass-market title. Now a niche paper aimed at 'lads' with frivolous, sports-based approach.

is it really worth being offended by anything they say or do?


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01 Jun 2011 - 09:2458147
and since i forgot last night when i was tired, please stop playing the "itz da law" thing. you only have to get a consent release if you intend to make profit from the actual photo (eg, cosplay fever). since people buy newspapers to read news (well... mostly) they can print whatever they want, and as long as no one's character is seriously damaged, they can spin and twist however they want.

the only way to prevent newspapers from reporting on you like this is by getting a super injunction (i'm sure you recognise that name).

knowing the star's previous actions, i'm sure if they had been denied access, they would have gone with another article with lines like "we were run out of the event by masses of angry geeks". reacting in the way people are is literally what they wanted.

and going over the MCM thing again, back when the telegraph did a terrible story with far worse misrepresentation on ayacon, no one blamed ayacon. stop blaming an event for taking the chance of free publicity.


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01 Jun 2011 - 09:4458148
Quote xaerael:
and going over the MCM thing again, back when the telegraph did a terrible story with far worse misrepresentation on ayacon, no one blamed ayacon. stop blaming an event for taking the chance of free publicity.


QFT

Same went for what people like Eurogamer and Computer and Video Games wrote about the FFXII launch. No one was having a go a HMV or Square-Enix. I don't didn't and I was one of those affected by it.

One of biggest problems now is that some people are stirring this drama up. Towers I expected but Showmasters...


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01 Jun 2011 - 10:3258152
the guy who started that showmasters thread states that he experienced bad press in the past, and therefore chose not to allow the press as a result. expo hasn't had bad press, so why would they default to a refusal of press entry? MCM can't run every little detail by the attendees for approval, literally nothing would happen if that was the case.

people really need to look at the whole picture.

this one tiny blip in judgement is dwarfed by all the phenomenal work that the MCM crew do.


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01 Jun 2011 - 11:3158155
Well I didn't go to MCM due to lack of funds but it's like I have said to all of my friends.

BB and DS are obviously trying to create media attention to the return of BB and as it's now on a different TV station and the fact that their ratings have been dropping year after year they want to get people angry and complaining about this so it is picked up on websites, forums and other papers in order to try and get people tuning in.
As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

I think the best thing to do is ignore this and not talk about boycotts etc as in the long room we're just cutting noses to spite our faces and missing out on oppotunities to have fun and meet up with friends. This ultimatly lets them win as it's creates a fuss gets people talking about it and people will tune in to the stupid show.

As for using photos etc im not sure but i'm pretty sure they have to have your permission to use a picture but you'd be better looking in to privacy laws etc i think


01 Jun 2011 - 16:3658189
Quote xaerael:
the guy who started that showmasters thread states that he experienced bad press in the past, and therefore chose not to allow the press as a result. expo hasn't had bad press, so why would they default to a refusal of press entry? MCM can't run every little detail by the attendees for approval, literally nothing would happen if that was the case.

people really need to look at the whole picture.

this one tiny blip in judgement is dwarfed by all the phenomenal work that the MCM crew do.


I am really disapointed with Showmasters. I'd heard very good things about the from friends that used to work with them. I was concerned when they got involved with Towers, but I thought they would keep him in check. Now it just looks like they've sunk to his level taking jibes and feeding of the drama like this.


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01 Jun 2011 - 16:5758191
Quote maraudernumber5:
Well I didn't go to MCM due to lack of funds but it's like I have said to all of my friends.

BB and DS are obviously trying to create media attention to the return of BB and as it's now on a different TV station and the fact that their ratings have been dropping year after year they want to get people angry and complaining about this so it is picked up on websites, forums and other papers in order to try and get people tuning in.
As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

I think the best thing to do is ignore this and not talk about boycotts etc as in the long room we're just cutting noses to spite our faces and missing out on oppotunities to have fun and meet up with friends. This ultimatly lets them win as it's creates a fuss gets people talking about it and people will tune in to the stupid show.

As for using photos etc im not sure but i'm pretty sure they have to have your permission to use a picture but you'd be better looking in to privacy laws etc i think




100 percentr agree with you - the last thing we want is to say something that could be used against cosplay and make the situation worse and compleatly ruin the reputaion


01 Jun 2011 - 17:0158192
its animeleague trying to make us boycott the expo now, if anyone seen that facebook group, i have complete proof that michael towers and his lot is behind it, and now i just want to put them back in their space and say i will come back, because there is no way i want to side with them, never.

sorry ice climber and that for arguing with you, and hope we can get together on good terms about this. i accept you are right about this whole thing, but it will still annoy me on the whole with the DS and BB


01 Jun 2011 - 17:0758194
Quote Tiduus227:
its animeleague trying to make us boycott the expo now, if anyone seen that facebook group, i have complete proof that michael towers and his lot is behind it, and now i just want to put them back in their space and say i will come back, because there is no way i want to side with them, never.

sorry ice climber and that for arguing with you, and hope we can get together on good terms about this. i accept you are right about this whole thing, but it will still annoy me on the whole with the DS and BB


No problem. The fact that The Star and BB did what they did is wrong. Not denying that in the least. I don't like that at all. What was gettign me angry was the massive overreaction and the undeserved rap getting thrown MCM's way.

Towers loves using drama to his own ends. It's pathetic really.


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01 Jun 2011 - 17:0758195
Quote agi:

I actually felt sorry for the News of the world guy. He was wandering around with a union jack zentai on and was feeling more than a little bit self conscious (he asked at the cosplay desk if we had any spare bits of costume he could borrow ). Shortly after speaking to him he tried to ask a small group of girls in cosplay a couple of questions, he had his badge showing and it said news of the world on his mic but I heard the girls decline and say "that must be big brother" as they walked off


This just strengthens the need for each press pass to be more clearly set out for people to see and know who they're dealing with.

The news of the world guy did come up to me and shoved his Mic in my face and tried to ask me questions with not so little as an introduction of himself. Which if you ask me was kinda rude so naturally I declined answering any of his questions. With all the hype there was with big brother I doubt many cosplayers would be willing to be interviewed by a guy who doesn't introduce himself (I certainly wasn't cause I suspected BB would try something sneaky - much like the tactics they have used to get pics and fuel for their horrid article - after all the hype cause just by the rumours of their attendance) or ask you nicely if you'd like to be interviewed tbh.

And as for this business with BB I've already had my rant about it else where and truly hope that they F@CK OFF, take the hint that they aren't welcomed at events like MCM and allow their horrid programme to die a much needed painful death so the country can get back to a world without such drivel-some, mind numbing and darn right stupid entertainment.


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01 Jun 2011 - 17:2058197
Quote Ice-climber:
Quote Tiduus227:
its animeleague trying to make us boycott the expo now, if anyone seen that facebook group, i have complete proof that michael towers and his lot is behind it, and now i just want to put them back in their space and say i will come back, because there is no way i want to side with them, never.

sorry ice climber and that for arguing with you, and hope we can get together on good terms about this. i accept you are right about this whole thing, but it will still annoy me on the whole with the DS and BB


No problem. The fact that The Star and BB did what they did is wrong. Not denying that in the least. I don't like that at all. What was gettign me angry was the massive overreaction and the undeserved rap getting thrown MCM's way.

Towers loves using drama to his own ends. It's pathetic really.


if you seen the facebook group, someone posted a link to the fAiL forum and it said there by towers himself that he and his group is working with it, i have an account used for trolling, i might just stick it up him for once and tell him to stay out of it =_=


01 Jun 2011 - 19:0058207
I have seen the group. I have also been expressing my opposition to it. I've been trying to say a few things and get people to realise that it's a Towers Sceme. I think they've banned me now. LOL


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01 Jun 2011 - 19:0658208
the facebook page owners are now deleting any posts that don't fit their agendas. they really couldn't be more AL-goon if they tried.


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01 Jun 2011 - 19:5758213
aaaand they banned me. haha. i guess reality didn't fit their agenda.


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