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07 Apr 2011 - 14:1353643
Help us Improve: Tutorials & Shops
With all the cosplay buzz after Minami and Kita this seems like the perfect time to get feedback from you all!
Going to keep it to Tutorials and Shops this time, but if you have any burning desire to tell us about something else please do pop up another thread!


So hopefully most of you have noticed the Tutorials and Shops sections of the site, we think they can be much better, but we need to know what you want from them and how you'd like to use them. This thread is for all your new ideas, views on the current setup and suggestions for improvement on Tutorials and Shops.

Tutorials
Found under the 'Articles' menu.
Tutorials are written by members and we'd love to share all your creative ideas, but we get very few submitted. We know this is partly because people don't like the system of sending an email off into the ether of the CI mailbox to then be approved.

How would you like to submit tutorials?
Would you like tutorials to be more closely connected to your profile?
Would you rather tutorials were presented on the site differently?

Shops
This section is just a basic list of shop details with a category search function. A lot of cosplay commissioners have their details up there as well as commercial shops recommended by members as tried and tested shops.

Do you currently use the Shops section?
Is there anything you wish you could do on the Shops section?

That's just to get you thinking, so don't feel limited to those example questions



Last edited by Amy-Lou (08 Apr 2011 - 10:05)
07 Apr 2011 - 14:3653650
When I click on the tutorial tab under the articles section, and try to get to page 2, the page goes back to the "latest articles" tab, and you have to click on the tutorial tab again to see that you have reached page 2 of the tutorials. It's a bit confusing. =/

Also, can the tutorials be separated from the articles? From the way people ask for help on stuff that's covered in the tutorials, it seems like some don't notice that they're there. If they have their own section it might be more obvious.


07 Apr 2011 - 14:4253652
This is sort of shop-related but not in the way you were asking about - about advertising on CI, commissioners are allowed to post to commissioners' corner, but shop owners like me have nowhere to go. I'm an active member on the site, my shop isn't my full time job, it just happens that I legally registered it and pay my taxes. For some, commissions might be their full time job and yet they can advertise... is there a way for someone like me or anyone else who are also active members and thinking of starting their own business to do some marketing on CI, or do I just have to accept that this is the way it is?


07 Apr 2011 - 14:5653653
Quote Pez:

Also, can the tutorials be separated from the articles? From the way people ask for help on stuff that's covered in the tutorials, it seems like some don't notice that they're there. If they have their own section it might be more obvious.


I was thinking the same thing as well. That way, The two things are clearly defined. Maybe, consider having a thread section in the forum that does look at feedback from the tutorials. Not only will it help people ask questions offer feedback but it might encourage members to view the tutorials section.

I would love to write some tutorials but have no idea/ not confident on what to write about.


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Last edited by Sephirayne (07 Apr 2011 - 14:56) Reason: spelling
07 Apr 2011 - 15:2153657
I would love to do some things, but I'm already putting tutorials up on my website, and I would want to have everything archived there. I'd be happy to have some mirrored sections where it could all be read on CI, as long as it linked to the article on my site at the end.

I currently update a tutorial on my website about once a week, so you would get a lot of content if you were happy to use me.


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07 Apr 2011 - 15:2153658
Yup, separating the tutorials from the articles is a great idea, and as Pez has mentioned, switching between the tabs when you go to the next page can get confusing.

For submitting them, the layout and presentation is already pretty organised, so perhaps there could be a preset page for people to fill in, such as "text here, pictures here" etc, if that makes any sense, but within the site, not via email.

As for connecting it to their profile, maybe there could be a link somewhere on the member's profile to the tutorials they've submitted? Just like on the overview it shows the latest forum posts, etc.


07 Apr 2011 - 16:5853666
I certainly think you should split the tutorials from the articles - I didn't know that were the tutorials were there.

Or at least, put a sticky on the costume help thing which says "TUTORIALS!" with links to tutorials; so you can put tutorials from other people and websites as well. If people want to add to it, then they could PM you mods with the link and what the tutorial is. If it becomes flooded with loads of different tutorials of one thing (IE wig styling) then you can pick the best, or rate them by how easy they are or how good they look


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08 Apr 2011 - 15:3553711
I'll do my usual thing of throwing in WILD and CRAZY ideas.

Seems to me there's nothing technically wrong with how they're done at the moment, but people don't really know to look for them..

One idea would be to make a new forum section purely for tutorials, moderated so crap or spam doesn't end up there, but it might encourage more views and more people to contribute since it's no more than starting a new thread, writing it out and waiting for it to get approved..

This largely depends on if the forum is a place many people look to first, and even a straw poll here is only going to be answered by people who do use the forums XD but that could also be fixed possibly with a link up the top that just redirects to that area..

Getting a Tutorials link at the top is probably the way forward at any rate, while I get that they'd be under Articles I guess maybe that isn't clear enough?


14 Apr 2011 - 15:1954078
Regarding tutorials, you could perhaps post and say what sort of tutorials you're looking for ("Wings specialists come forth!" "Armour fanatics, identify yourselves!" ), that might make those people stop and think, "hey, maybe I can help!" and write something.



Last edited by Pez (14 Apr 2011 - 15:19)
17 Apr 2011 - 21:1654305
Thank you to everyone who's replied so far, we do take all feedback into account when we plan any work on the site.


Quote Pez:
When I click on the tutorial tab under the articles section, and try to get to page 2, the page goes back to the "latest articles" tab, and you have to click on the tutorial tab again to see that you have reached page 2 of the tutorials. It's a bit confusing. =/

We are aware of this and it's on the to-do list. I know it's incredibly annoying, but I'm glad you noticed the page does change if you go back to the tab.


There's lots of suggestions for splitting out tutorials from the other articles, they are a bit hidden if you're not a site explorer. However, we don't think there's room for more options on that main menu and this also raises the question of whether to split event reports and videos etc. We would have to think of a different way to split them out or link to them...


Quote KhaosKreator:
I would love to do some things, but I'm already putting tutorials up on my website, and I would want to have everything archived there. I'd be happy to have some mirrored sections where it could all be read on CI, as long as it linked to the article on my site at the end.

That's a very kind offer. I think a lot of people have tutorials hidden around the internet so we have considered ways of including external tutorials in the list rather than duplicating everything unnecessarily. This is totally up for discussion, no plans in motion yet.


Quote Pez:
Is there a way for someone like me or anyone else who are also active members and thinking of starting their own business to do some marketing on CI, or do I just have to accept that this is the way it is?

As things are currently, anyone in this kind of situation is really stuck in CI rules limbo. It's something we are seriously thinking about at the moment and whilst we can't promise anything we hope to come up with something to benefit everyone.


Quote Sephirayne:
I would love to write some tutorials but have no idea/ not confident on what to write about.

I quite like the thought of combining this with Pez's reply about requesting tutorials, maybe a suggestions thread or a weekly forum poll! That does mean getting a new forum that can do polls though...


Quote r0cket:
For submitting them, the layout and presentation is already pretty organised, so perhaps there could be a preset page for people to fill in, such as "text here, pictures here"

That could be neat, you get more control over it, straight forward to submit and less work for us copying it up! That's assuming there are people out there who would have written one if they hadn't needed to email it to us.


Keep em coming!


25 Apr 2011 - 19:2754755
Quote nert:

One idea would be to make a new forum section purely for tutorials, moderated so crap or spam doesn't end up there, but it might encourage more views and more people to contribute since it's no more than starting a new thread, writing it out and waiting for it to get approved..


I totally agree with this, I mainly go straight to the forums and sometimes I forget that there is even an articles section (with some amazing tutorials) so when I'm looking for info I go on the forums and never remember to check out the Articles section.

Even as nert says, if it could be restricted, possibly if the forum at the moment allows it, so that you can't post a new topic until it's reviewed but people are free to reply to it, to give thanks, point out mistakes or even open a good general discussion on how to improve the methods in the tutorial I think you'd see it get used a lot more.


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