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28 Mar 2011 - 13:2453064
Crap Rocket, a good friend of mine is in Middlesborough and he's told me how bad it can be up there.

As with everyone's.. well mostly everyone's suggestions here; common sense is best. Towns which generally accept diversity are such as London and Birmingham. Well, maybe not so Birmingham as we had a pre-kitacon meet there and the stick we got was crazy. Saying that, we were fine on high streets and such but parks and social areas weren't very nice.

London, hell, you get away with what the bloody hell you want in London. I walked round in full on Scar (FMA) cosplay and no-one batted an eyelid.

Big groups are the way to go, and body langauge. Avoidance is your first step, however should you find that a situation is unavoidable, don't whatever you do just stand there and hope they go away. Even a small group of chavs might wanna try their luck with a large group of cosplayers, sure there's safety in numbers but they'll target the weaker ones.

Stay in your group and make sure you have at least 2-3 alpha-male/females in your group. They usually take charge and divert attention, a good alpha will find a peaceful resolve and be able to explain the situation and/or find common ground with the phillestines.

If your group is a bunch of shy meek individuals who are cosplaying a Needless/Bleach shinigami/naruto group without common sense, I think you're pretty much asking for it.

If you need to find individuals who are able to take charge of unwanted situations, you'll need to meet and make friends with them, using your gut feeling on determining if they're of that kind of person. Physical appearance does not dictate an alpha; projection of oneself and control of a situation are the qualities you need to look out for. The good thing is that once you meet this kind of person, they usually know like-minded people. And they'll never turn down a chance to assist.

I think we've just about covered it here, right? We can talk about our personal experiences till the cows come home, or we can make a quick list summarising what we've discussed so far.

List time.
- Avoid chavs/chavvy areas/pubs/events like footballs/ places where chavs drink where possible. Tourist hotspots and busy areas are good as they're full of cameras and the authorities
- Change when there or take a jacket with you.
- Never respond, unless you are very VERY experienced in dealing with unwanted situations
- Take headphones when you're on the move. Half the time you'll never notice. If you're stationary, (i.e public transport) Don't listen to them, you're a sitting target. I'm unsure what the solution is, just be aware of the situation around you.
- Walk fast, walk brisk. Move like you've got some place to go. You'll be gone before they can think of another retort.
- Nearby shopping mall? They'll have onsite security, its worth knowing which ones have better security. Bullring at birmingham has ace security staff =D
- Know the right people. The term "its not what you know but who you know" could never be more apt, a quick text to a mate who has a car can have you away in a jiffy, or a mate who can bring several of his rugby playing mates with him.





Oh, and;


Quote sjbonnar:
Quote Jeff_Kamiki_Jurai:
Since the average student wears only cheap nasty indie clothes


TBH I agreed with everything except this.

This entire thread is about the negativity of groups judging the clothing that alternative dressers/cosplayers wear...but are you not judging the clothing of an "average student"?



There is no such thing, as an average "student look". Just a stereotype, as with most things.


28 Mar 2011 - 15:2053072
I'm not so worried about going OUT in cosplay once I start making a few more, it's about staying IN I'm more worried about. I'm used to getting abuse shouted to me or getting dirty looks and I'm confident about myself.

HOWEVER, I have a abusive person in my house (someone that the law and medical records call my "brother" ) Dx and he'll rip into me if he finds out (I've now moved back home) and he may even destroy some of my stuff in a rage. ¬_¬ quicker I get a job the better



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28 Mar 2011 - 15:2753073
Quote JaeXD:
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote Jeff_Kamiki_Jurai:
Since the average student wears only cheap nasty indie clothes


TBH I agreed with everything except this.

This entire thread is about the negativity of groups judging the clothing that alternative dressers/cosplayers wear...but are you not judging the clothing of an "average student"?



There is no such thing, as an average "student look". Just a stereotype, as with most things.


Hence the inverted commas around "average student" and Jeff's assumption about how they dress.

Quote JaeXD:
As with everyone's.. well mostly everyone's suggestions here; common sense is best. Towns which generally accept diversity are such as London and Birmingham. Well, maybe not so Birmingham as we had a pre-kitacon meet there and the stick we got was crazy. Saying that, we were fine on high streets and such but parks and social areas weren't very nice.

London, hell, you get away with what the bloody hell you want in London. I walked round in full on Scar (FMA) cosplay and no-one batted an eyelid.


Depends greatly on which part of London you're talking about. You can walk around Hyde Park and get a few looks at worst.

Going through Peckham, Brixton etc. (places I live near) in cosplay and you're looking at a far different story.


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28 Mar 2011 - 15:4053074
Quote sjbonnar:
Hence the inverted commas around "average student" and Jeff's assumption about how they dress.
Depends greatly on which part of London you're talking about. You can walk around Hyde Park and get a few looks at worst.


Yeah, it was in agreeance (is that a word?) with you.

Quote sjbonnar:

Going through Peckham, Brixton etc. (places I live near) in cosplay and you're looking at a far different story.


Ohshiz, yeah when I say London I tend not to think about the outlying districts. Thats like saying dinnington is a part of sheffield. Technically it is but quite far out. I just picture central London when someone mentions London.

I'd never suggest anyone walk around places like peckham, brixton, barking, beckton, stratford etc in cosplay. Hell, I'd suggest most people don't go there anyway unless you look intimidating enough anyway. One of the reasons why I don't stay at those hotels in the area for expo, I dislike the kind of people in the area. That and the hotels were poo, ages away, and we could do so much better for less money.



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28 Mar 2011 - 15:4553075
JaeXD's suggestion of headphones is a very good idea. If you wear big obvious ones, when people can tell that you won't be able to hear them, they often leave you alone because there's no fun in it for them. Something I found useful because I kept getting chatted up by older men during my commute. orz

But of course don't wear them if you're somewhere dodgey enough you need to listen out for danger, and pay more attention when you're crossing the road!


28 Mar 2011 - 15:5953076
Wasn't my original suggestion, gomen m(_ _)m

All I'm saying is be careful with them. They're good when you're on the move, but when you're waiting/stood still, knowing you can't hear them might spur them on and leave you wide open.

I find it digusting that such cretins are allowed to exist, that openly violate another person's right to live as they choose. If I had my own way they'd be sterilised as to not pass on their stupidity, they had a choice.



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28 Mar 2011 - 16:1353077
Quote Pez:
JaeXD's suggestion of headphones is a very good idea. If you wear big obvious ones, when people can tell that you won't be able to hear them, they often leave you alone because there's no fun in it for them. Something I found useful because I kept getting chatted up by older men during my commute. orz


Oh geez, I thought I was the only person that did that XD. My headphones broke on one journey but I still sat there with them in anyway. For some, if they think you can't hear them they won't bother.

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Stay in your group and make sure you have at least 2-3 alpha-male/females in your group. They usually take charge and divert attention, a good alpha will find a peaceful resolve and be able to explain the situation and/or find common ground with the phillestines.


Someone with a 'rough' accent helps too XD. 'Angry Geordie' has scared a few people in its time. It's a shame that the acquired Yorkshire dialect has just made my speech comical now .


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29 Mar 2011 - 20:5253138
Ah! Gotcha Jae ^_^

Yeah, most people think that about London LOL Peckham and that area was where I was raised so I'm kinda used to it.

Didn't make walking through there in Bleach robes very nice for my first ever cosplay...

^_^'


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30 Mar 2011 - 07:5453176
Ok, this happened the day before yesterday and I wasn't sure if I should post this because it didn't happen when I was in cosplay, I was in school uniform. I was walking home after school with a few friends and we saw these bunch of chavs (well, from their look and mannerisms), so we were cautious but we walked past them. They started talking to us and looking at our stuff so I sped up, until two girls grabbed me and tried to take my stuff (phone, iPod, etc.). My instinct was to get my stuff back which I tried to do, but then they got mad and one of them grabbed me by the neck and strangled me against a car. My friends didn't know what to do, they stood there, frozen in shock. I think she was about to punch me but luckily a lady and her daughter passing by shouted at us, causing them to drop my things and run off, honestly, I was so scared and shocked that I couldn't even cry.


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30 Mar 2011 - 11:2653185
Quote Blue_Clover:
Ok, this happened the day before yesterday and I wasn't sure if I should post this because it didn't happen when I was in cosplay, I was in school uniform. I was walking home after school with a few friends and we saw these bunch of chavs (well, from their look and mannerisms), so we were cautious but we walked past them. They started talking to us and looking at our stuff so I sped up, until two girls grabbed me and tried to take my stuff (phone, iPod, etc.). My instinct was to get my stuff back which I tried to do, but then they got mad and one of them grabbed me by the neck and strangled me against a car. My friends didn't know what to do, they stood there, frozen in shock. I think she was about to punch me but luckily a lady and her daughter passing by shouted at us, causing them to drop my things and run off, honestly, I was so scared and shocked that I couldn't even cry.


You may want to invest in a personal attack alarm, or some form of legal deterrent. At university I bought my two female housemates a small non-toxic spray which will colour your attackers face blue for two days. Unsure if that's legal or not NOW, as it was a few years ago.

Take some self defence classes too? Don't expect to be able to kick ass, just to be able to react and assess the situation under stress.


30 Mar 2011 - 12:0153188
Quote Blue_Clover:
Ok, this happened the day before yesterday and I wasn't sure if I should post this because it didn't happen when I was in cosplay, I was in school uniform. I was walking home after school with a few friends and we saw these bunch of chavs (well, from their look and mannerisms), so we were cautious but we walked past them. They started talking to us and looking at our stuff so I sped up, until two girls grabbed me and tried to take my stuff (phone, iPod, etc.). My instinct was to get my stuff back which I tried to do, but then they got mad and one of them grabbed me by the neck and strangled me against a car. My friends didn't know what to do, they stood there, frozen in shock. I think she was about to punch me but luckily a lady and her daughter passing by shouted at us, causing them to drop my things and run off, honestly, I was so scared and shocked that I couldn't even cry.


Argh. So sorry to hear that this has happened to you!

Seconding on the personal alarm and self defence classes, if you're near a rough area. If something happens, okay you might be not be able to use the techniques you learn, but things like that are also helpful in building your self confidence, so next time you might look/feel less intimidated and they won't target you, or if it happens to a friend rather than yourself, you won't be standing there frozen in shock.


30 Mar 2011 - 14:4753191
That is a horrible thing to have happened.

My advice if it happens again is to let them take your stuff - it's better to have your stuff taken than to be beaten up and have your stuff taken.

Also, report them. Study their faces/builds etc, and take what you know to the police.

With this, did you talk to the lady after? If you know who she is or roughly where she lives you can tell the police and she could be an eyewitness. Even if you don't, you can still tell the police that someone saw it happen; my sister was attacked by her ex-boyfriend. It would of been bad if a couple hadn't walked into where it was happening and stopped it. My sister reported it, the police found the couple and got their statements and it was sorted out.


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30 Mar 2011 - 22:2653209
Only one way to deal with chav's!



30 Mar 2011 - 23:5553212
Quote Leadmill:
Only one way to deal with chav's!



Proooooblem Officer?!


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01 Apr 2011 - 14:1953258
Quote Member-XI:


If you really feel you must say something, simply respond with something alone the lines of, "Thats harassment and if you continue i'll take your photo and call the police." and leave it at that.


Not to put a damper on things, but I honestly really would NOT say that. 1) It could be just issuing a challenge to them. "Oh really? Well-!" and 2), it tells them you've got a camera, or a camera phone, and suddenly you might be carrying something worth nicking. That's my thoughts with mp3 players as well, because if they think you've got something worth nicking, they might think you're an easy target.

The best thing to do is ignore them, put as much space between you and them as possible, and then if you really ARE worried about your safety, actually call the police as you walk. That is the best piece of advice I was ever given, and it was by a policewoman.

If you are worried about wasting police time, I'd advise finding out the non-emergency contact number for the police in the area. The one for West Midlands police is 0345 113 5000. They still record calls, they will be able to take your details, and most importantly, if you're actually speaking to police, you're less likely to get attacked.


I would definitely advise changing at the event though. The venue for Kitacon is a gorgeous hotel, there will be plenty of rooms for changing in, and equally plenty of storage for bags. And equally, on a practical note, it means that you can dress appropriately for the weather, and protect your costume from wear and tear from travel. You don't want to spend all that time on your costume just for it to get damaged or dirty before you even get to the con!


But the common sense rules are always the same - try and travel in a group, stay in well-populated, well-lit areas if you are on your own, and where possible just skirt around them.



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02 Apr 2011 - 17:5153295
Ugh, i don't see why bullies feel the need to be horrendous to people. I've just been to the goth weekend and saw the memorial for the girl who was killed for being a goth by chavs.


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02 Apr 2011 - 22:4853305
I'm from Coventry therefore if I did it publiclly I would get absolutley ripped. Dispite this I would still do it publiclly cus I have a 'Don't give a shit' Attitude.

Because of being from Coventy I've had it all my life and although I'm a camp kinda guy, the chavs who know me wouldn't start on me. Purley for the fact I've been known to stand up for myself.

Best adivice I give is Don't let anyone give you shit. Clearly if alone not a good idea, and maybe not great adivice anyway.. but I square up to them becuase they don't scare me, I dont give them that satisfaction.

Why should I change my views just cus they think its 'gay'. Fuck them.

Tbh they can go die in a hole cus I know for a fact that every person on this site is better than those losers that attack us.

Don't let anyone get you down, You'll get somewhere in life. They havent got a hope in hell.


04 Apr 2011 - 13:1053363
Quote Crap Rocket Red:
Ugh, i don't see why bullies feel the need to be horrendous to people. I've just been to the goth weekend and saw the memorial for the girl who was killed for being a goth by chavs.


That was horrendous - her boyfriend was in critical condition from that attack. I believe what happened was that they attacked him, she stood up against them and tried to protect him/stop them, so they attacked her.

And typically the problem with bullies is that they can't handle someone with the confidence to wear something different. By themselves they won't do anything about it, just sorta skulk off, but as soon as they're in a group... It becomes more aggressive. They then have the confidence to "start" on whoever.

I agree with my teachers; bullies are cowards who need to belittle other people in order to feel that they have any importance.


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11 Apr 2011 - 11:0553829
Yup, i'm trying to ignore them. I had one girl come up to me while I was wearing my Blue Fur hat saying "Excuse me, do you know you're wearing a stupid looking hat?" to which i replied "Yeah, i do, thanks " She looked gobsmacked and just skuttled off ^-^


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14 Apr 2011 - 19:0654088
Chavs are GENERALLY all talk and no action, but of course it isn't worth taking any chances. Don't give them any reactions and just walk away from them. If they start to follow you or something, go into a store or more public place.

Just always try to be with at least one other person or a group if possible and use your common sense.

I guess I'm just lucky so far, but I've worn cat ear hats out and been out with groups of cosplayers casually and people here don't even seem to notice.



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23 May 2011 - 16:4657423
Unfortunately there's always going to be idiots in this world, so I think the best thing you can do if you are genuinely worried is stick to crowded areas and try not be be alone. Also headphones are your friend!! When alone, I always, always listen to music, even if my batteries have died I still keep those headphones in, if they don't think you can hear, they don't generally bother. These people are generally all talk no action.

I have generally never really had any negative comments as far as cosplaying is concerned. I've been into the alternative scene for a mighty 11 years now though and I've had my fair share of comments for my everyday clothes and (especially) club outfits. Bizarrely, myself and a lot of friends of mine have found that the older you get, the less hassle you get. All you can really do is ignore the stick you get and try and be careful.


23 May 2011 - 16:5957426
Quote ballet shoes:
Unfortunately there's always going to be idiots in this world, so I think the best thing you can do if you are genuinely worried is stick to crowded areas and try not be be alone. Also headphones are your friend!! When alone, I always, always listen to music, even if my batteries have died I still keep those headphones in, if they don't think you can hear, they don't generally bother. These people are generally all talk no action.

I have generally never really had any negative comments as far as cosplaying is concerned. I've been into the alternative scene for a mighty 11 years now though and I've had my fair share of comments for my everyday clothes and (especially) club outfits. Bizarrely, myself and a lot of friends of mine have found that the older you get, the less hassle you get. All you can really do is ignore the stick you get and try and be careful.


I'd have to say balletshoes comment on age tis true. Chavs usually single out young and impressionable individuals that they beleive to be weaker than themselves. I used to get hassel just for my hair colour when I was younger (mostly from chavs in school who hadn't seen a strawberry blonde as all other girls had dyed their hair some sort of muck brown eck!) but since I started walking and standing with more confidence I haven't had any jip.

So my advice is if you are small (like me) have a confident posture and walk with purpose. Nothing singles you out more for victimisation than looking all nervous, hunched over, looking lost and appear like you're trying to block out the world. Such things seem to be an invitation for chavs and bullying as they want to burst the bubble of their victim just to make themselves feel important when their life is more bland than the colour beige.


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27 May 2011 - 08:5657819
Perhaps take up self-defence classes, just so you can be prepared if something happens. It'll make you feel a lot safer, trust me.


30 May 2011 - 01:2857921
I've had the same abuse when wearing a black cat hat. Although I don't usually need to wear such things to get abuse ¬¬ I have been picked on by a couple of random chavs who somehow managed to turn up at the ExCeL Centre last May, and interrupted a conversation I was having to do it.

Ho hum, no wonder I have social phobias.


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30 May 2011 - 10:1457928
Reading all these posts makes my blood boil to know that my fellow cosplayers find themselves in these situations >=|

All i can say is there never going to get anywhere in life as they got nothing to do no were to go no education nothing....

As for you guys you got things to do and places to go ^_^ !

Try and learn ' Muay Thai ' its a type of martial art my local class has girls and boys aged from like 8 - 26 , When you learn self defence not only you do you get stronger you boost your self esteem by a mile !

And the area i live in is like primarily 80% chavs and wannabee gangsters..I even used to be kinda bad myself like 2 or 3 years ago but changed so i know what there like..there just scared if society beacause you have to progress in life..

Buy yeah just be happy


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