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29 Jan 2011 - 02:3449397
Quote TheEmoEmu:
The episode is on NOW on BBC3 and it showed those two around the Excel. I think the show was prowling for victims at the expo...


Am I the only one who finds this slightly creepy...?


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29 Jan 2011 - 02:4049398
Quote j_mercuryuk:

Am I the only one who finds this slightly creepy...?

Definitely not.

It makes me sad as well because I'm sure some cosplayers are going to fall for their lies ("Oh, it's a street fashion programme focused on Japanese culture!" or whatever) and end up humiliated and upset. I know that if I hadn't read this thread, I probably would have fallen for it too :/


29 Jan 2011 - 16:5549424
I agree it's terrible, although if you have a huge problem tbh, let me introduce you to the wonders of this....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/homepage/

or if you think something more of that make a complaint to Ofcom.


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Last edited by Ryzy-San (29 Jan 2011 - 16:55)
29 Jan 2011 - 17:1549426
Well, there was a suggestion of writing to 'Points of View'.


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29 Jan 2011 - 17:2849429
Yeah but as far as I know, that's mostly to get a reply or something, I'm not too sure, but I think though that site all the BBC higher ups see the complaints and log them.


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Last edited by Ryzy-San (29 Jan 2011 - 17:29)
29 Jan 2011 - 17:4149430
:shrug:No idea, so you're probably right. The only thing I wonder about is if they can do anything, if the BBC doesn't actually produce the show itself. But then, it might just be worth voicing our disatisfaction anyway. Especially if these people are going to events and looking for victims.


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29 Jan 2011 - 18:4049433
Quote Quinzel:
Quote NixieThePixie:
I think it all depends on what your personality is. If you're close-minded about things like this, they a show promoting it will just look stupid to you - no way would a person like that would admit to liking it or even attempt to understand it as that would make them wrong. My grandparents watched it; Granny hated it (she has an issue with the Japanese due to the Kamakaze) but Grandpa enjoyed it (and is totally on the flip-side; he views the kamakaze as hereos of their country).


Yeah, I totally agree with that.

But man, I like to think of myself as pretty open-minded but even I was shocked by the doll section and really didn't know what to think :S. I mean fair enough, I had no problem with the adult dolls, but the ones made to look like young girls? That really freaked me out. Although I did like the way they handled it; that JLC didn't just stand back and be like 'well this is a different culture, etc. etc.', that he actually challenged it and managed to do it without calling it freakish and obscene and insulting the factory workers. I think it was good on Five's part as well to actually show that. They could have easily just missed the whole part about the young dolls out.

My mother really liked it, but I know that my dad would likely rant about it .


yeah, the dolls freaked me out a bit. And I did think that there could be a connection to the plummeting birth rate and the dolls - after all, a doll is a lot less work that a woman.

I did find myself agreeing with the factory owners view though; it's a lot better for someone with peadophile tendancies or who love children to fantasize with a doll rather than a real little girl.

On the subject with filing a complaint about Snog marry Avoid I think we should do... Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


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29 Jan 2011 - 18:4649434
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


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29 Jan 2011 - 18:4649435
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


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29 Jan 2011 - 19:2549436
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


But you've signed the release form by being deceived by the producers - which is still a violation of the Code of Ethics


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29 Jan 2011 - 21:5049442
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


But you've signed the release form by being deceived by the producers - which is still a violation of the Code of Ethics


Do you mean the BBC Production Guidelines?


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29 Jan 2011 - 21:5049443
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


But you've signed the release form by being deceived by the producers - which is still a violation of the Code of Ethics


Do you mean the BBC Production Guidelines?


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29 Jan 2011 - 22:0549446
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


But you've signed the release form by being deceived by the producers - which is still a violation of the Code of Ethics


Do you mean the BBC Production Guidelines?


What happened to miiol was in the first series (apparently BBC had apologised to her), it's likely at that point the people wanted to make a show but had no concrete idea what they were going to do, so they interviewed some people, gave those people a very hazy description of what the show might be about, and then hashed together a few episodes to show the higher-ups. The higher-ups said "yeah, this shit is funny" and so they just put those episodes on TV.

For the second season onwards they would've been much more careful about what they put in the release form and kept the interviewees informed - mind you, letting them know what the show is about doesn't give them editing rights, so whatever they might've said to "pod" in their defense would've been edited out anyway to make them look ridiculous.

In any case, I like the Beeb in general but every time I see shows like this I get angry about my TV licence fee being used to promote bullying.


29 Jan 2011 - 22:3149450
Quote Pez:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


But you've signed the release form by being deceived by the producers - which is still a violation of the Code of Ethics


Do you mean the BBC Production Guidelines?


What happened to miiol was in the first series (apparently BBC had apologised to her), it's likely at that point the people wanted to make a show but had no concrete idea what they were going to do, so they interviewed some people, gave those people a very hazy description of what the show might be about, and then hashed together a few episodes to show the higher-ups. The higher-ups said "yeah, this shit is funny" and so they just put those episodes on TV.

For the second season onwards they would've been much more careful about what they put in the release form and kept the interviewees informed - mind you, letting them know what the show is about doesn't give them editing rights, so whatever they might've said to "pod" in their defense would've been edited out anyway to make them look ridiculous.

In any case, I like the Beeb in general but every time I see shows like this I get angry about my TV licence fee being used to promote bullying.


I pretty much agree with everything you said, I explain myself badly XD

The trouble is basically it means that Endemol probably didn't really follow the BBC's guidelines when making it, so it's probably easy for BBC to assume everyone knew what they were getting into, I mean I imagine they never saw anything other than a pitch and pre-screening, this all said I'm not agreeing with what they do and I can't stand the programme myself. XD

The thing is then, if that is the story it means the BBC will come down on them hard.

I like the BBC too but sadly this was commissioned out to Endemol.


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Last edited by Ryzy-San (29 Jan 2011 - 22:35)
30 Jan 2011 - 15:4849481
Time to bring out some of the knowledge i've picked up whilst in uni.

First of all there is no point complaining to OFCOM about this, the BBC have its own regulatory body so if something is aired by the BBC you need to complain directly to them, even if the show is produced by another production company.

Although to be honest, BBC 3 is know for its trashy tv, that no one should really take to heart. The two lolitas who were approached to go on the show, would have had time to look into the show and what usually happens before agreeing to appear on it.
And besides, the whole show is clearly staged anyways. They were probably given a script and more then one take would have been used when recording this, so their reactions to Pods comments wont have been real.

I think going on the show would mean you get pampered for the day and also get paid to go on it, and this shouldn't been taken too seriously, if you applied to go on it, then you know what your in for.


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31 Jan 2011 - 00:2349525
Quote 0o0managamad0o0:


First of all there is no point complaining to OFCOM about this, the BBC have its own regulatory body so if something is aired by the BBC you need to complain directly to them, even if the show is produced by another production company.


OFCOM still outrank the BBC at the end of the day and have power over it in all the usual ways.


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31 Jan 2011 - 00:4549528
Quote 0o0managamad0o0:
I think going on the show would mean you get pampered for the day and also get paid to go on it, and this shouldn't been taken too seriously, if you applied to go on it, then you know what your in for.


But what about those such as Miiol, who were pretty much tricked into going on it? As far as I remember from the other thread (please correct me if I'm wrong!), she was told that it was a show on street fashion. So either they outright lied to her about it or they archived the footage and thought it would be fun to use it for SMA.
And as far as I can tell, they just pay for transport.


Honestly, they obviously prowl town centres at night to get a lot of the smaller segments on the show (like the 'essential makeup' parts) and I wouldn't be surprised if that was how they recruited some people. If you've had enough to drink, and someone offers to get you on TV, you're not going to care what the circumstances are.


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31 Jan 2011 - 02:0649530
looool, I like the show, yeah 'pod' come across rude, but the people who go on it know what to expect & shouldn't put themselves forward for it, if they don't want an earful.


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31 Jan 2011 - 02:1649531
Quote Inuyoku:
looool, I like the show, yeah 'pod' come across rude, but the people who go on it know what to expect & shouldn't put themselves forward for it, if they don't want an earful.


Not necessarily. This is the first time I've heard about the show and from what we've heard/seen of their recruitment tactics, they aren't very honest. Not everyone would think to check out the show if they were approached by someone saying they we're interested in starring you because of they are interested the subculture/you have an 'unique' fashion sense. Especially those who are younger memebers of the community.

Besides, what's really got me angry about this is their use of 'wrong' and 'normal'.


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31 Jan 2011 - 02:2849533
Quote j_mercuryuk:
Quote Inuyoku:
looool, I like the show, yeah 'pod' come across rude, but the people who go on it know what to expect & shouldn't put themselves forward for it, if they don't want an earful.


Not necessarily. This is the first time I've heard about the show and from what we've heard/seen of their recruitment tactics, they aren't very honest. Not everyone would think to check out the show if they were approached by someone saying they we're interested in starring you because of they are interested the subculture/you have an 'unique' fashion sense. Especially those who are younger memebers of the community.

Besides, what's really got me angry about this is their use of 'wrong' and 'normal'.


If people didn't check up beforehand to see what the program was about, that's abit silly & with a name like snog, marry, avoid.. it should be pretty obvious that they were going to get slated someway or another.

If they recruit them wrongly, then bad bbc, but hey, i still like the show, but only cause i like seeing the tangerine women on it & to see how they come out afterwards.. and if they keep it up.

The whole 'wrong' & 'normal' thing is abit annoying, but people who go on it shouldn't take it personally, they are just doing it for the show, and usually if they see Jenny after the make-under and they havent kept it she will say.. its just who you are, etc.

Just how I see it, I just wouldn't take it a personal hit on lolita.. they say much worse to the nekkid girls.


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31 Jan 2011 - 11:2849542
Quote Inuyoku:
Quote j_mercuryuk:
Quote Inuyoku:
looool, I like the show, yeah 'pod' come across rude, but the people who go on it know what to expect & shouldn't put themselves forward for it, if they don't want an earful.


Not necessarily. This is the first time I've heard about the show and from what we've heard/seen of their recruitment tactics, they aren't very honest. Not everyone would think to check out the show if they were approached by someone saying they we're interested in starring you because of they are interested the subculture/you have an 'unique' fashion sense. Especially those who are younger memebers of the community.

Besides, what's really got me angry about this is their use of 'wrong' and 'normal'.


If people didn't check up beforehand to see what the program was about, that's abit silly & with a name like snog, marry, avoid.. it should be pretty obvious that they were going to get slated someway or another.


I don't know with the Lolita couple, but in the past they've not said it been for a show called Snog Marry or Avoid which is the issue. You can hardly check beforehand if you've not been told the name of the show.

The thing is, most of this IS speculation as I don't think many people here have been scouted for this show. I know of two that have been, one that's been on it and one that said no to them. The one that was on it (Miiol I think it's spelt) wasn't told what she was appearing on. The other was found through facebook (which is a bit dodgey in my opinion, they basically prowled about on the social networking site until they found someone applicable) and was told what they were planning on doing.

As it stands, you have to be 18+ to appear on a show like this. I've been hunting their release forms and it clearly says "18 or over" on it.

Which I suppose is a plus, though they probably did it so they wouldn't have any livid parents ringing up the BBC.


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31 Jan 2011 - 15:2749547
Quote Pez:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Ryzy-San:
Quote NixieThePixie:
Especially mentioning that it feels that they prowl about for victims and the fact they withhold information before putting you onto the show. I'm pretty sure that violates Ethic and Human Rights. I mean, people are being deceived.


The thing is on almot all tv shows the people sign a release form, much like the Cosplay Fever guys do, once you sign that and they've filmed you, there isn't much you can say.


But you've signed the release form by being deceived by the producers - which is still a violation of the Code of Ethics


Do you mean the BBC Production Guidelines?


What happened to miiol was in the first series (apparently BBC had apologised to her), it's likely at that point the people wanted to make a show but had no concrete idea what they were going to do, so they interviewed some people, gave those people a very hazy description of what the show might be about, and then hashed together a few episodes to show the higher-ups. The higher-ups said "yeah, this shit is funny" and so they just put those episodes on TV.

For the second season onwards they would've been much more careful about what they put in the release form and kept the interviewees informed - mind you, letting them know what the show is about doesn't give them editing rights, so whatever they might've said to "pod" in their defense would've been edited out anyway to make them look ridiculous.

In any case, I like the Beeb in general but every time I see shows like this I get angry about my TV licence fee being used to promote bullying.
I'm just going to requote Pez here cos I agree - I was in the first series of the show, it's about 5 years ago now! (The part I was on wasn't released until a year after I was filmed, too.) I think the show is VERY popular now, so people will know what is going on with it! I was saying to Donna why some people had gone on it, as the same thing happened to a few people I know who went on it.

For me, I had an apology going "Oh sorry we didn't know you were deaf and we won't show this clip again" kind of thing, what I am trying to say is they don't keep records of people, I don't think, so if their comments seem misinformed they only can work from the footage they kept to present the people. Does that make sense? I can't quite put it into words.

I know with a few other people that went on the show much later on, they just had problems with editing as Pez said above, so that is more relevant to this thread, because you DO sign a release form saying they can do what they want with the footage!


01 Feb 2011 - 23:2349676
I like this show but mainly coz I like seeing the way the girls and guys are so stuck up beforehand (whether that's bad editing or not). Not all of them but most of them are "I'm so awesome" and I do love reality trash tv on a boring day.

When I saw these two loli on tv at first I didn't think they were going to make them under at all. Usually when someone isn't "chavvy" or "ravey" or showing too much but has completely individual style like fairies, or there was even a horror minnie mouse goth and such they leave them alone.

It's clear that those sorts of people they put on there to just insult. If they're not going to make them under they just want to show off a different style of clothing to be ridiculed. But then again these people agreed to go on the show and I think they wouldn't agree to it if they didn't know what 'POD' was like.

A few of the Make under's are really nice but most of them are just so generic. I think they don't accomodate to a person's individual style. I think extensions and false nails and eyelashes can look nice in moderation. Same with fake tan. If they know someone likes being glammed up they should glam them up in a way that's subtle but still keeping with their wants and the sophistication the show wants to provide.

I've watched so many episodes that I can usually assume what they'll dress them in =/ usually skinny jeans, heels, long top, caridgan and rather short hair.

As said I like the show, but I think it needs to change it's tactics a little bit @_@


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02 Feb 2011 - 00:5049679
Quote j_mercuryuk:
But to do it, we'd really have to make sure we produced a letter that was a calm and intelligent letter. Pointing out that what we object to is this 'normal' label that they seem to think we should aspire to and what we like is 'wrong'. Though I am amused by the thought of signing the letter 'Cosplay Island'.


i know this is a couple days old at this point, but i hope you weren't serious about the possibility of signing any letter to Points of View or similar "Cosplay Island". I suspect both the mods/runners of the site and more than a few standard users on this site (myself included) would be less than appreciative at the likely negative attention this would attract from 'normal' people and bored chavs.

At the end of the day, this entire thing comes down to the "we've chosen to do something that the majority of people don't" so its then classed as abnormal because by the standards of the majority it IS.

no matter what you do in life, someone somewhere will be annoyed, take offense or cause grief about it. thats just life unfortunately.


02 Feb 2011 - 01:2649685
Quote Junta:
Quote j_mercuryuk:
But to do it, we'd really have to make sure we produced a letter that was a calm and intelligent letter. Pointing out that what we object to is this 'normal' label that they seem to think we should aspire to and what we like is 'wrong'. Though I am amused by the thought of signing the letter 'Cosplay Island'.


i know this is a couple days old at this point, but i hope you weren't serious about the possibility of signing any letter to Points of View or similar "Cosplay Island". I suspect both the mods/runners of the site and more than a few standard users on this site (myself included) would be less than appreciative at the likely negative attention this would attract from 'normal' people and bored chavs.



Of course I was joking. For a start I'd never actually sign a letter off 'cosplay island' because I am fully aware that not everyone on the board has the same view and so it's not fair to them to lump us all together as wanting to complain about this (not that it will ever actually go ahead). I am not so arrogant or single minded to think that everyone does or should have the same view point as me (as has been proven since this post).

Yes, we don't have the average hobby, however, I don't see the why I should have to aspire to a 'normal' one.


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