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27 Jan 2011 - 20:1049306
Quote Quinzel:
But yeah, cosplayers on there is just wrong. It's like pulling someone from a hen party or a fancy dress party and making it out like they go to the supernarket dressed as Tarzan ¬¬.


That is what they do.

I'd go for a mass Points of View letter writing campign or some sort of offical complaint.


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27 Jan 2011 - 20:1149307
It doesn't exactly open well anyway. A woman with blonde hair with dark brown roots and eyebrows saying that people should look more natural

And the rather childishness to it clearly states how intellectual it is. She's talking to a computer, which isn't there cause it's computer graphic, in a manner that kids TV presenters talk to the artifical co-stars. And I've seen better artifical computer voices from programs ages ago.

And the hysterical puns... Pods Law, Oh my Pod, Pod off... My sides are splitting. ¬___¬

The lolita girl Emma... She really reminds me of one of my friends. She acts and talks like that but she's hyper too. So she's excited as well And she looked a lot better in the lolita anyway. it suited her shape and her hair looked a lot better too. So they basically made her look rubbish. And I also notice that they didn't ask the public about them at all. Clearly the general public wasn't as negative as they wanted them to.

What gets me is that fashion is changing, and they trying to hold it back and also sayng that it's okay to slag someone off if they're wearing something different to what society deems normal, thus promoting bullying


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27 Jan 2011 - 20:2949309
Quote NixieThePixie:


And the rather childishness to it clearly states how intellectual it is. She's talking to a computer, which isn't there cause it's computer graphic, in a manner that kids TV presenters talk to the artifical co-stars. And I've seen better artifical computer voices from programs ages ago....

.....it's okay to slag someone off if they're wearing something different to what society deems normal, thus promoting bullying


I'm glad someone else noticed this. The attitude towards them reminds me more of playground bullies who are afraid of anything different from them. It's so closed minded and suited more to a primary school kid (or insecure teenagers).

The computer annoyed me as well. IT was just...tacky...


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27 Jan 2011 - 20:3149310
I agree with most of what's been said but I haven't read all of it, I just thought I'd throw in my thoughts. I remember something similar when Miiol was on it back in the first series, they made her look really bad and she's so lovely and stylish.

They were adorable, I just wanted to hug that girl she was so sweet ("sparkles!" <3), and I thought they looked just fine. The thing that got me was pod going on about 'fakery' and stuff, but there was nothing fake about them, her makeup was nice and natural I thought and her hair was her own, so where are they getting these 'fake' comments?


27 Jan 2011 - 20:4549312
Quote Ice-climber:

I'd go for a mass Points of View letter writing campign or some sort of offical complaint.


It did cross my mind. I was talking to my dad about this, and he was really surprised that it was produced by the BBC. But to do it, we'd really have to make sure we produced a letter that was a calm and intelligent letter. Pointing out that what we object to is this 'normal' label that they seem to think we should aspire to and what we like is 'wrong'. Though I am amused by the thought of signing the letter 'Cosplay Island'.


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Last edited by j_mercuryuk (27 Jan 2011 - 20:48)
27 Jan 2011 - 20:4549313
This show is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, I watch quite a lot of BBC3 stuff so tend to watch it whenever there's nothing else on and I'm channel flicking!

But what they said about the lolitas was just downright rude, I felt so sorry for them. And the make unders in this episode weren't all that great either, it was an improvement for the first two yeah, but still nothing fantastic. And the lolitas looked far better in their lolita gear rather than their make unders. It was just a poor episode in general this one.
(Heck, I'm surprised they made under the lolitas in the first place. Normally they leave the more alternative crowd alone!)

I also couldn't help but laugh at the drawn on cleavage. What!? Cause that's not fake at all XD


27 Jan 2011 - 20:5049314
Jesus, that did make me laugh. The clevege enhancement just looked like it she was dragged through the mud or something.


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27 Jan 2011 - 20:5549315
I agree that they portrayed them in a bad light but then again, why go on there?

Out of interest do people going on the show only get the make-under or do they also get paid for appearing?


27 Jan 2011 - 21:2049319
Quote j_mercuryuk:
Quote Ice-climber:

I'd go for a mass Points of View letter writing campign or some sort of offical complaint.


It did cross my mind. I was talking to my dad about this, and he was really surprised that it was produced by the BBC. But to do it, we'd really have to make sure we produced a letter that was a calm and intelligent letter. Pointing out that what we object to is this 'normal' label that they seem to think we should aspire to and what we like is 'wrong'. Though I am amused by the thought of signing the letter 'Cosplay Island'.


My mum is quite good at intellectual and calm letters, if we with to use her skills.

She got a wig company to send a wig and for it to arrive in the space of three days She's pretty damn good (but hey, it was her job)


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27 Jan 2011 - 22:0649322
That is good. Sounds like a useful person to have around.

Quote Donna:
I agree that they portrayed them in a bad light but then again, why go on there?

Out of interest do people going on the show only get the make-under or do they also get paid for appearing?


Bear in mind that a lot of these kind of programs aren't completely honest wiht their motives and edit things to get the program they want out there.

I think these people just get the make overs. One reason they're popular is that they're cheap because they don't have to pay the people who appear on there. But I maybe wrong.


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27 Jan 2011 - 22:3249323
So I'm watching Turning Japanese with Justin Lee Collins (love that man! ^_^) on Five right now and it actually made me think of this.
They just briefly mentioned Lolita and strangely enough, they didn't mock it at all. They're not even mocking men's bras...JLC is actually trying one on XD. So it's nice to see that at least minor respect can still be paid.

I think they need to have more shows that approach the subject in this vein; from an informative standpoint rather than with an attitude that amounts to "Look at this! Isn't it stupid?".

I know that Japanorama actually featured cosplay in an episode (link is here from 2:06), but even then they lumped it in with 'Otaku'.


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27 Jan 2011 - 22:4049324
On the whole I found Japanorama to always be extremely positive about Japanese culture. Knowing what a huge fan Jonathan Ross is, I always found it to be sincere too. Even though he may have a joke here or there, he was always respectful enough to not mock it.


27 Jan 2011 - 22:5349325
Quote Donna:
On the whole I found Japanorama to always be extremely positive about Japanese culture. Knowing what a huge fan Jonathan Ross is, I always found it to be sincere too. Even though he may have a joke here or there, he was always respectful enough to not mock it.


Yeah, I did think that also. His genuine enthusiasm did shine through, and I loved his interview with Hard Gay XD.
I just wished that they would have given cosplay more attention in its own right, rather as something related to the whole 'otaku' culture, expecially because of its huge presence in the west.


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27 Jan 2011 - 23:1049326
Quote Quinzel:

I know that Japanorama actually featured cosplay in an episode (link is here from 2:06), but even then they lumped it in with 'Otaku'.


I watched it and it was okay and very informative...you could also see he was enjoying himself ^_^ There should be more things like that and as you have said they should have spoken more about cosplay, that would have been cool ^_^


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27 Jan 2011 - 23:3449327
Turning Japanese with Justin Lee Collins was so funny! I really enjoyed it. Especially the hosts part Ive read about them in manga but watching how they work in real life was so cool.


27 Jan 2011 - 23:4149328
Quite a few people in my year knew hosts/hostess while they stayed in Japan or went to host clubs. So I've heard fun things about them, how expensive they are, and also the darker side of the industary. My friend was very disappointed to that when she went to a butler cafe, the 'butlers' were all female.


I'll have to check out JLC's pogram then. I wanted to watch it, but II forgot at the last minute. So dumb of me.


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28 Jan 2011 - 01:4549337
Quote Donna:
I agree that they portrayed them in a bad light but then again, why go on there?

Out of interest do people going on the show only get the make-under or do they also get paid for appearing?

When I was on the show they paid for travel for me to and from their studios (Which was £40 taxis! Eek!)

As for why go on there, I was told it was a program exploring different street fashions in the UK! (First season, before it aired) Also I was talking to a man, not a woman, and the questions asked were totally different to what appeared in the show.

I deeply regret doing that, especially at that point in my life. I would advise anyone thinking they can go on it and make a point to not do it - they'll edit the shit out of you! XD

I know Lady Li appeared on the show too, and she's gyaru, so that's another Japanese fashion sub-genre on the show now, haha.


28 Jan 2011 - 20:2249368
I saw the clip and it made me so damn angry. It perpetuates this horrible notion of 'normalness' to the general public.
This show isn't actually made by BBC, but made by the same horrible company that makes none other than Big Brother, so no surprises there.

I was once asked to go on this... thought about it until I saw an episode. Would rather shoot myself than dress in those god awful indie clothes.


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28 Jan 2011 - 20:4849371
All I can say is this is the reason I "Avoid" This program XD it represents why I only really watch Dvds and dont even go near TV XD Eff modern Society


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28 Jan 2011 - 20:5749372
Quote miiol:
Quote Donna:
I agree that they portrayed them in a bad light but then again, why go on there?

Out of interest do people going on the show only get the make-under or do they also get paid for appearing?

When I was on the show they paid for travel for me to and from their studios (Which was £40 taxis! Eek!)

As for why go on there, I was told it was a program exploring different street fashions in the UK! (First season, before it aired) Also I was talking to a man, not a woman, and the questions asked were totally different to what appeared in the show.

I deeply regret doing that, especially at that point in my life. I would advise anyone thinking they can go on it and make a point to not do it - they'll edit the shit out of you! XD

I know Lady Li appeared on the show too, and she's gyaru, so that's another Japanese fashion sub-genre on the show now, haha.


Ah, fair enough then. Its wrong if they're misleading the people that take part and not informing them beforehand of their intentions.

I'm sorry to hear it turned out to be such a regret for you


28 Jan 2011 - 21:0449374
Quote Quinzel:
So I'm watching Turning Japanese with Justin Lee Collins (love that man! ^_^) on Five right now and it actually made me think of this.
They just briefly mentioned Lolita and strangely enough, they didn't mock it at all. They're not even mocking men's bras...JLC is actually trying one on XD. So it's nice to see that at least minor respect can still be paid.

I think they need to have more shows that approach the subject in this vein; from an informative standpoint rather than with an attitude that amounts to "Look at this! Isn't it stupid?".


I didn't watch this, but I got two different views on it from my Mom and from a friend who watched it.
My mom was like "oh, they're just trying to /understand/ what's going on. He's giving it all a go, but why do they have..." She has a very negative view on and is very... anti-everything Japanese influenced that I do, and took the mick out of the show and its content.
My friend is a cosplayer and said that it was well done and such.
I guess what I'm trying to get is that.. morons will still see it as a moron if they don't understand it, even if they are 'trying' to do so.

I totally need to watch it myself though



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28 Jan 2011 - 21:2749375
Quote IndecisiveTrollop:
Quote Quinzel:
So I'm watching Turning Japanese with Justin Lee Collins (love that man! ^_^) on Five right now and it actually made me think of this.
They just briefly mentioned Lolita and strangely enough, they didn't mock it at all. They're not even mocking men's bras...JLC is actually trying one on XD. So it's nice to see that at least minor respect can still be paid.

I think they need to have more shows that approach the subject in this vein; from an informative standpoint rather than with an attitude that amounts to "Look at this! Isn't it stupid?".


I didn't watch this, but I got two different views on it from my Mom and from a friend who watched it.
My mom was like "oh, they're just trying to /understand/ what's going on. He's giving it all a go, but why do they have..." She has a very negative view on and is very... anti-everything Japanese influenced that I do, and took the mick out of the show and its content.
My friend is a cosplayer and said that it was well done and such.
I guess what I'm trying to get is that.. morons will still see it as a moron if they don't understand it, even if they are 'trying' to do so.

I totally need to watch it myself though


I think it all depends on what your personality is. If you're close-minded about things like this, they a show promoting it will just look stupid to you - no way would a person like that would admit to liking it or even attempt to understand it as that would make them wrong. My grandparents watched it; Granny hated it (she has an issue with the Japanese due to the Kamakaze) but Grandpa enjoyed it (and is totally on the flip-side; he views the kamakaze as hereos of their country).


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28 Jan 2011 - 21:4049376
Quote NixieThePixie:
I think it all depends on what your personality is. If you're close-minded about things like this, they a show promoting it will just look stupid to you - no way would a person like that would admit to liking it or even attempt to understand it as that would make them wrong. My grandparents watched it; Granny hated it (she has an issue with the Japanese due to the Kamakaze) but Grandpa enjoyed it (and is totally on the flip-side; he views the kamakaze as hereos of their country).


Yeah, I totally agree with that.

But man, I like to think of myself as pretty open-minded but even I was shocked by the doll section and really didn't know what to think :S. I mean fair enough, I had no problem with the adult dolls, but the ones made to look like young girls? That really freaked me out. Although I did like the way they handled it; that JLC didn't just stand back and be like 'well this is a different culture, etc. etc.', that he actually challenged it and managed to do it without calling it freakish and obscene and insulting the factory workers. I think it was good on Five's part as well to actually show that. They could have easily just missed the whole part about the young dolls out.

My mother really liked it, but I know that my dad would likely rant about it .


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28 Jan 2011 - 21:4249377
^ that's what I was getting at with the "Morons will see it as morons" they won't change their opinion due to pre-conceived bliks.
It's a shame, really.

I forget how my post links to this conversation now, I think it was a "Snog, Marry or Avoid viewers will never accept anything else as they have stupid bliks" or something xD
Sorry, I'm rambling =D


29 Jan 2011 - 01:4949395
The episode is on NOW on BBC3 and it showed those two around the Excel. I think the show was prowling for victims at the expo...


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