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26 Jan 2011 - 15:3749193
Lolita on Snog Mary Avoid
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xz23m/Snog_Marry_Avoid_Series_4_Sarah_Jane_Pickles_and_Hollie_Wilkinson/

skip to about 23:20

Was I the only one that cringed inside of embarassment and thought that whoever writes the script is extremely rude?

The girl looked so nervous :/


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Last edited by street-angel (26 Jan 2011 - 16:16)
26 Jan 2011 - 15:4349195
Just thought I'd let you know. The link is to an ebay auction of a smokers pipe.


26 Jan 2011 - 16:0549198
I feel really bad for them and yeah the script was terribly rude to them, but I guess it could have been alot worse.


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26 Jan 2011 - 16:0649199
I AM DEAD AGASINT SMOKERS PIPES!!!!
:ahem:

Yeah that was just...eurgh... I'll sdmit that they weren't exactly rocking the lolita look (it's hard to get it right), but to call their fashion 'wrong' made me roll my eyes.
What annoyed me more though was when the girl said, 'what have you done to me?' and the tacky computer said, 'I made you look normal'. :bangs head against the wall: There are just so many things wrong with that statement that I just don't know where to begin.

Also, is it me or is the grammar erm...non-existant in it title? I know it's an odd thing to notice, but there you go.


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Last edited by j_mercuryuk (26 Jan 2011 - 16:07)
26 Jan 2011 - 16:1749200
Quote j_mercuryuk:
I AM DEAD AGASINT SMOKERS PIPES!!!!
:ahem:


Was for a cosplay accessory, dunno why it was still in my clip board XD


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26 Jan 2011 - 16:2949202
:I guessed it was probably something like that. Though it was an amusing mix up.


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26 Jan 2011 - 16:4849204
I'm sure we have another thread about this horrendous show on here~

First of all, I HATE that show. The way they purposely edit things to make the people sound exactly how they want them to and clearly manipulate the questions to get what they want out of the people they're "making over".

Second, the "Make-overs" in this particular clip are just.. eugh! They look like H&M rejects! Usually, the make overs are somewhat nice! But geeze, they really didn't try with that one at all!

That show is aimed at narrow minded people who agree that anything out of the "normal" is unacceptable and anyone that isn't "normal" is to be ridiculed and forced to change! It's totally.... eughh. To think the BBC actually allow such insulting rubbish to be shown!

Sorry, /end rant xD


26 Jan 2011 - 17:1049205
Quote IndecisiveTrollop:


That show is aimed at narrow minded people who agree that anything out of the "normal" is unacceptable and anyone that isn't "normal" is to be ridiculed and forced to change! It's totally.... eughh. To think the BBC actually allow such insulting rubbish to be shown!



I got that impression from their use of 'normal' and I think this annoyed me more than anything else.
I'm disappointed in BBC.


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26 Jan 2011 - 17:2949206
I actually know the two people that were on it. They're lovely people. Wouldn't you be nervous too if some voice of a woman pretending to be a fashion computer is telling you your fave fashion is classed as "not-normal" on television?

I dislike the show. I only watched it cuz I've been told they were on it. Now I wished they didn't as the rudeness and the criticism over someone's choice of fashion.

Even the Sky TV program description said "Two teenagers that need to start living in the 21st century."


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Last edited by Petchy-mon (26 Jan 2011 - 17:31)
26 Jan 2011 - 17:3249207
I just watched it just to see as I was worried and I nearly threw up at the results...O_O She looked great and I can't believe how this can be shown...and saying she was turned normal just made me shout at the TV....damn show leave us alone


26 Jan 2011 - 18:4349215
Quote Nii Nii Danna:
I actually know the two people that were on it. They're lovely people. Wouldn't you be nervous too if some voice of a woman pretending to be a fashion computer is telling you your fave fashion is classed as "not-normal" on television?

I dislike the show. I only watched it cuz I've been told they were on it. Now I wished they didn't as the rudeness and the criticism over someone's choice of fashion.

Even the Sky TV program description said "Two teenagers that need to start living in the 21st century."


Oh, I completely agree with you. The show makes me angry because it shows being 'normal' as being ideal. It's a riduculas mentality, that encourages a lack of imagination and a fear of what's different. It's a childish mentality


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Last edited by j_mercuryuk (26 Jan 2011 - 18:47)
26 Jan 2011 - 19:3949222
I watched it all as i was told they where on it.

If i'm honest, the two girls before them did look a lot better as they did need to be put in the right direction since the law student was basically destroying her hair etc etc

But the remarks to that girl and boy where really really terrible.
What makes me laugh is the fact that they think they can determine whats right and whats not normal etc etc

They clearly didn't need a 'dress-under' becuase they wont ALWAYS dress in lolita which also brings me to think thats the reason they didn't show a lot of them as they did the other girls, once again showing the public who don't know about cosplay and lolita think we all are outrageously insane and dress up all the time -_-

I do fashion at college and even my tutor said that 'normal' and what everyone wears is like a uniform to us therefore they see real fashion or differen't types as 'not-normal' its the world we live in - unfortunately


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Last edited by SachikoYumi (26 Jan 2011 - 19:43)
26 Jan 2011 - 19:4249223
I didn't see much of the two girls before hand, but I'll be honest. I hate the over use of make up look. If I've learnt anything from life, it's that often less is more. So I'm with you on that one. The only girl I saw, I thought she looked better afterwards.

But then, I wouldn't want to say the could do with the make over as a lot of people watching probably thought the same about the lolis....though, like you said, they probably don't understand what it is.


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Last edited by j_mercuryuk (26 Jan 2011 - 19:46)
26 Jan 2011 - 20:1249225
Well I think the guys in lolita looked fine. ^_^

I have to admit with them too, what the fuck did they do to them to their makeunder? They looked like they were in the 80's LOL.
Stick with the lolita :3


26 Jan 2011 - 20:1349226
Quote j_mercuryuk:
I didn't see much of the two girls before hand, but I'll be honest. I hate the over use of make up look. If I've learnt anything from life, it's that often less is more. So I'm with you on that one. The only girl I saw, I thought she looked better afterwards.

But then, I wouldn't want to say the could do with the make over as a lot of people watching probably thought the same about the lolis....though, like you said, they probably don't understand what it is.


BBC need to do research then.


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26 Jan 2011 - 20:2849228
I'm really impressed with the way those two handled that robot thingy insults. They were calm, sweet and defended themselves nicely. If I were in their position I probably would of gotten angry or most likely upset very quickly.


26 Jan 2011 - 20:4849229
Quote SachikoYumi:
They clearly didn't need a 'dress-under' becuase they wont ALWAYS dress in lolita which also brings me to think thats the reason they didn't show a lot of them as they did the other girls, once again showing the public who don't know about cosplay and lolita think we all are outrageously insane and dress up all the time -_-


It's stupid, isn't it? Honestly, about 90% of the outfits they show on Snog Marry Avoid are outfits the girls/guys wear for a night out, not during the day. Which would be okay if they didn't give them day wear for the makeunder. I doubt that half the girls with skirts halfway up their arse, a million extensions and false eyelashes wear that every day.

And true, some of the people on the show could lay off on the false tan and Jordan-esque makeup, but it does piss me off when they show people dressed in punk or cyber goth gear and tell them they're deluded and fake. They're only embracing who they are and what they love; what's fake about that?

Everyone has a different style and the simple existance of so many different styles is what makes fashion so colourful and interesting. Who wants a bunch of clones walking about? Fashion is as much an art form as it is a way of dressing. I mean, look at the likes of Jean Paul Gaultier, Issey Miyake, Hussein Chalayan, even some of Junk Koshino's lines. By SMA's methods, they'd be laughed off the show. Could you imagine if Zara Rhodes or Vivienne Westwood turned up for a makeunder? XD Now that I'd pay to see.

And yeah, I agree with the 'H&M rejects' comment lol. They look awful. The show doesn't seem to take personal features and characteristics into account at all for a lot of people. Hair styles that don't suit face shape (I've seen some that looked like pretty awful wigs...I'm guessing they were), style that doesn't suit personality and makeup that just makes the girl's eyes look tiny. Some outfits have made them look years older! And not in a good way.

Looking like an indie singer a good thing? Ahahahahaha.


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Last edited by Quinzel (26 Jan 2011 - 20:53)
26 Jan 2011 - 21:1649236
Was told that those two were on SMA by a friend and I rushed downstairs to watch it..

Really, they honestly think thats day-to-day wear? :'D Oh my life.
SMA is just verrry ignorant to life tbh I think XD
I know what I mean 8l


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27 Jan 2011 - 09:5249266
I was quite impressed with her co-ords it was pretty cute, the only thing I didn't like was the guys top hat as I don't think it matched so well with the rest of his outfit. Her hairstyle wasn't as cute when she got made over her hair was beautiful before. I thought the show could have done so much more with them (keep an aspect of lolita and convert it to 'normal'


27 Jan 2011 - 10:2549267
Like many of you after hearing about this my curiousity rose to quite a high point and i had to watch it.
Unfortunately shows like this are written like this because they have already established a good number of views and people enjoy it.
So its going to stay rude against people, its going to be blind against fashioned that are supposedly not normal. Because its getting money and people watch it.
Watching this particular episode with the Lollita couple, i did feel sorry for them because they were nervous and they really liked Lollita and were really happy that way.
I do agree with that some of you said and they done a half-assed makeover i was not impressed by that really.
But i am glad in a way that they did do a half assed job because the couple wanted to stay in their Lollita way.
Personally as far as fashion sense goes, i wear what i like and i couldn't give a hoot what anyone else thinks of my outfits


27 Jan 2011 - 10:4949268
Brace yourselves for a possible cosplay episode in this series:

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/forum?&c=showthread&ThreadID=3396


27 Jan 2011 - 12:2649270
I saw that, pretty ignorant people. We need to set up some sort of mass complaint against how rude 'pod' is. In the early episodes, yes it was rude, but no where near as insulting as now.
I am a lifestyle lolita, even though I wear gothic lolita, I would have informed them a lot better on exactly how popular it actually is. I have actually been asked to go on that show when I was in London wearing Goth loli, and blatantly refused.
Seriously, they're just ignorant.

End of rant.


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27 Jan 2011 - 14:5649277
I like the idea of all the cosplayers turning up in thier everyday wear and then going, 'What, this is what we normally wear...wait you didn't think that we normally wear our cosplay outfits did you?"

I read the message that Pez got. From what I remember from it (and I may be reading too much into this), it seemed very under handed. Like they were trying to trick people on by not explaining their aim. If they really did appriciate the individuality of each fashion sense, and of cosplaying, then why try to change it?

It's annoying that they seem to have comletely missed the point of cosplaying and basing part of a show on that misconception. I mean, it's like walking into a Halloweon party and telling everyone that their fashion sense is 'wrong' and they need a 'under-makeover' (or whatever the hell they call it).


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27 Jan 2011 - 18:0349297
Quote Pez:
Brace yourselves for a possible cosplay episode in this series:

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/forum?&c=showthread&ThreadID=3396


Oh no :S. Man, it's kinda sickening to think that they trawl Facebook looking for victims- uh, I mean patricipants >.<. They always painted it on the show that the girls/guys wanted the makeunder and approached them.

I always saw the show as attention-seeking girls just looking to get on TV, but it sucks when they take people genuinely into 'alternative culture' and make a mockery of them.

But yeah, cosplayers on there is just wrong. It's like pulling someone from a hen party or a fancy dress party and making it out like they go to the supernarket dressed as Tarzan ¬¬.


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27 Jan 2011 - 19:0949305
I agree with changing the hair on the first two and the 2nd girls eyelashes looked obviously fake so glad they went also. But I hated the outfit they put on the Lolita girl =/
Who makes the rules on what's "normal" anyway? I would rather look interesting as long as I was decent. I can't stand most of the stuff that's in "fashion" anyway. Don't get me started on the whole leggings/jeggings craze....


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