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15 Sep 2010 - 16:5740743
Have you ever wanted to tell someone to just stop posting?
There's three sort of examples that I mean by this.

1/ People that will post the same photos over and over in a series of delete and re-upload, where they haven't done anything to the picture just trying to hook more comments

Uploading edited versions of the photos or cycling your favourites cause you've got more than the 12 maximum is not included here.

2/ People that upload closset cosplay after closset cosplay, where it's a load of bo<edit> blahught or badly modified items where, even though it's an original design, they can't even make themselves look attractive or make it look like there's any effort.

Costumes that are based on official artwork or concepts that are just for fun with a group or friends are not included here. This point is mainly concerning repeat offenders.

3/ People that upload myspace photo after myspace photo, okay 1 or 2 testers is one thing and we all have our better angles but when it's 5+ testers of nothing but your face? From the same angle?

Any other examples of types of posting that grate on your nerves?

Please don't name names and don't post links to examples, if this becomes a bashing thread on your own heads be it. My examples are based on multiple offenders both here and on other sites like cosplay.com and DA.

EDIT: There seems to be some confusion that I'm referring to people posting multiple in progress shots, this is not my point. I refer only to completed costumes. In the case of testers, I simply refer to say multiple shots of someones face or multiple images of the same aspect over and over that show no real progress and just attract attention


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15 Sep 2010 - 18:1340752
"2/ People that upload closset cosplay after closset cosplay, where it's a load of bought or badly modified items where, even though it's an original design, they can't even make themselves look attractive or make it look like there's any effort."

I do agree on that. I mean, closet cosplays are okay, but trying to look famous by doing a million of them and classing them as completed costumes so it looks like you've done a lot can be really irritating.
A few isn't bad of course, as long as they look like something the character would wear, or something close to it. :x

And also to many progress photo's can sometimes become irritating. If they're about pathetically tiny details.


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15 Sep 2010 - 18:1840754
Quote Fables:
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1/ People that will post the same photos over and over in a series of delete and re-upload, where they haven't done anything to the picture just trying to hook more comments
Uploading edited versions of the photos or cycling your favourites cause you've got more than the 12 maximum is not included here.


I have to admit, I've done this before, but only once or twice when I have edited a photo to make it look different, or when I go through old photos and find ones I don't like so put up newer ones.

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2/ People that upload closset cosplay after closset cosplay, where it's a load of bought or badly modified items where, even though it's an original design, they can't even make themselves look attractive or make it look like there's any effort.


I tend to be quite lenient with these, because there often isn't an opportunity to wear these costumes to a con -due to money, time constraints etc etc. I also don't think it fair that you would say 'badly modified', because this depends on the ability of the individual. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and if you can't afford to modify things heavily or don't have the skill, you have to make do.
In the end, cosplay is about having fun, so if people want to cosplay a load of thier own designs, who are we to stop them? Especially when they might mean something (like an inside joke or something) to the cosplayer.
Plus, to me, seeing "100+ Cotumes complete" on someone's page doesn't necessarily lead me to believe they're good, famous cosplyers. But by the same token, I don't think they're all rushed, tacky outfits. It's about finding a balance, but I believe in quality over quantity.

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3/ People that upload myspace photo after myspace photo, okay 1 or 2 testers is one thing and we all have our better angles but when it's 5+ testers of nothing but your face? From the same angle?


THIS REALLY GETS ON MY NERVES! Yes, I admit I do it, but only one or two per costume, and they're usually deleted once I have photos of substance. I think it's very attention seeky and arrogant :/

My biggest habit, is changing my costume information so they all follow a set template or layout, or changing my costume Icon too often :S But I've never really had a complaint, so I guess people aren't bothered or don't notice?


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15 Sep 2010 - 18:2140755
I'm sorry, I pressed quote rather than edit. Will delete!


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Last edited by Fables (15 Sep 2010 - 18:22)
15 Sep 2010 - 18:2140756
1) You can't really do anything about people deleting and reuploading photos. I guess you could give out warnings, but I think it might be a bit difficult for CosplayIsland to regulate this.

2) I've recently started using ACParadise and I find that it doesn't have this problem. ACParadise doesn't allow original or closet cosplays, and they specifically state "Only Official variations allowed, must be able to provide reference art if asked". I saw a beautiful "princess Kairi" uploaded recently but because time and care was taken and the photos were presented well, it's slipped under the radar. But I haven't seen any "Raver Fox Ichigo"s etc.

However as CosplayIsland has already been around for 3 years accepting various "closet" and "original" costumes I think it would be difficult to suddenly sweep all of these costumes out the database. It would also exclude all "Original Character" costumes which would wipe out a lot of very impressive and beautiful Steampunk costumes.

3) I think it would be difficult for a moderator to draw a fair line between photos that are "too similar", and then to contact a user and ask them to just pick one. Perhaps if we have separate sections for "in progress" photos and "complete" photos then it could make for less frustrating browsing? The journals kind of provide this but many of us love looking at in progress photos and journal entries don't show up on the main page.


I agree that these are problems and they can be annoying, and even if there is a change in guidelines I think it will be difficult to enforce them. I kind of forsee this thread attracting a lot of bad attention simply because of the title, so I don't mean to thread-hijack, but perhaps suggest that we discuss measures that can be taken to prevent uploads like these rather than all of us posting "yeah, this is so annoying, I won't mention any names but I'm going to be blatantly obvious about someone I'm talking about by mentioning series etc..." Otherwise I think this thread will get locked pretty quickly.


15 Sep 2010 - 18:3240758
Quote Yuka:
However as CosplayIsland has already been around for 3 years accepting various "closet" and "original" costumes I think it would be difficult to suddenly sweep all of these costumes out the database. It would also exclude all "Original Character" costumes which would wipe out a lot of very impressive and beautiful Steampunk costumes.


This I hadn't thought of, if I'm honest. I really enjoy seeing the Steampunk costumes, and think it's good to promote them since the UK Steampunk scene is definately currently growing... There is a fine line, I guess


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15 Sep 2010 - 18:4940760
Quote Fables:
This I hadn't thought of, if I'm honest. I really enjoy seeing the Steampunk costumes, and think it's good to promote them since the UK Steampunk scene is definately currently growing... There is a fine line, I guess

Exactly. Steampunk started off as a simple fashion, and has evolved into creating characters and backstories and whole universes. However as soon as someone posts pictures of themselves in lolita, rave-gear, kimonos or any other fashion-type, including 'closet' everyday-wear, people start kicking off because it's not "cosplay". Steampunk isn't "cosplay" but is still a well-accepted and beloved type of costumery.

Basically what I'm trying to say is we can't have our cake and eat it. If we want to become almost cosplay-elitist like ACParadise where we only accept cosplays of published characters then we're going to lose a lot of beautiful costumes. However we do have a growing problem that needs to be addressed as I know street-angel is defintely not the only one bugged by the upload types she listed. I hope we can find a solution!


15 Sep 2010 - 18:5440762
To be honest, I hope I don't do any of these XD I take loads of pics of progress, but I only upload 1 or 2, because that's enough I feel for people to view my progress. I do get a bit annoyed at people who do these things but as long as they don't clog up my friends feed then I'm not too bothered by it. IMO if someone puts up a load of photos it tells me that they've done some major work, so I take a look, but sometimes it can be just a minor detail which is annoying.

I know some people use the journal feature as their "in progress" gallery - they explain the progress while showing it, and then use the main gallery for only completed parts of the costume. I'm trying to do that myself so other people's feeds don't get clogged up by small progress when they can just see the journal about it


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15 Sep 2010 - 19:2640765
To be honest, I don't think there's really much point complaining here. The deleting and reuploading thing is just silly, but I've only seen one or two people do it and they don't do it very often.

Closplays can be annoying when someone has a gallery full of them and nothing else... but they're fun, and sometimes the only option for people who can't sew. The main problem I have is when people have one costume, then put up a seperate costume for '[character name] with cat ears'. That's just taking it a bit too far. But there's no real way to moderate this I think- we can either get rid of all 'not official' costumes and make this place rule crazy... or you know, we can have some fun XD


15 Sep 2010 - 19:3740767
Yeah the closet cosplay thing...I agree it would be better to limit them to a degree, I.e if you have lots of casual wear for one character put them all in one gallery if possible. But I have a problem with there being no effort ect...because then you start this problem of catagorising costumes...by saying 'this deserves to be here because it's much more complex and has taken much more effort.' I have a few costumes that have taken more time, skill and effort, but I want all my costumes here because the main reason I cosplay is for love of character. I want to cosplay whatever character I like no matter if the costume is seen as 'casual' or whatever...because I love the character and want to have fun with my friends. I personally do not use this site as some kind of formal portfolio of my sewing or anything...rather just a fun social networking site for cosplayers and to put up photos etc. ^^; I'd hate all costumes to be screened and to be labelled by the amount of skill required...

Blah this might not make sense and may be totally off track...sorry. (Btw this isn't directed at you street-angel, as I know this isnt what you meant. ^^)


15 Sep 2010 - 19:5140771
Nothing people do winds me up that much to be honest! Someone would have to harass me a lot for me to want them to stop posting. Anyone would think you'd sat in chewing gum or something!


15 Sep 2010 - 20:0840774
With Nekoshuffle here there isnt a lot that over bothers me on here tbh im a steampunk so to a degree I like my OC stuff but not to the stupid degree, its a bit hypocritical I know but at least people bother to write a nice intricate backstory for their steampunks ect ect ^^


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15 Sep 2010 - 20:5640781
I have nothing against OC/own design characters seeing as I like doing them myself. It's just the fun of designing something then seeing it come to life in a cosplay for me. Then again, mine are moslt based off official characters, so I don't know if that counts?

But overall nothing really bothers me so much that I'd want someone to stop posting. This is mainly a site for cosplayers to show their work, so just let them I say, and if something gets too out of hand for whatever reason, we can deal with it sensibly then.


15 Sep 2010 - 21:2540783
I don't usually mind much as long as it is moderation.. I'm usually too dumb to notice multiple posts etc. xD

And as for own characters. I like looking at them because its something different =)


15 Sep 2010 - 21:4140784
I don't mind if people delete then reupload photos for an honest reason. I've sometimes edited information on my costumes and its come up as an update or fixed a mistake in a photo and had to reupload it. Buuut say if someone keeps deleting it over and over and over to get on the front page then its a bit daft.

I think with some closet cosplay, as Moonlilly has mentioned, it needs to be put under one costume. Simply making a costume called [Insert name here] - Alternate costumes/unofficial costumes. would help clear up a lot of closet cosplays. :3

I mean, I could do casual Claire Redfield so easilly by simply pulling my hair into pony tail, donning several different outfits and taking shots in my room. I think when its someting like that it gets a tad too much, especially when its all from one user going 'casual this' 'raver this' 'bridal this' and 'emo that'. BUT having said that, IF the cosplay is really well thought out and is leaning toward closet cosplay, I don't mind.

Say for example someone really really went to town on creating a 'Sirius Black in his concert going clothing' and it was very well done and you could see they'd sat and thought 'If Sirius was going to go to a concert, what would he wear and how? Coul he find that in the 70's? Are they availible in his country?' and they'd made it enkeeping with the character's time period or where they live, etc. then i'd love to see it. Sometimes seeing a well done alternate outfit for a character is great if its thought out.

But if its literally them grabbing things from a drawer and going 'Casual Demyx!' 'Emo Cloud!' 'Raver Vincent!' 'Going to church on Sunday Squall!' then it becomes a problem because it makes you wonder if the cosplays are being done purely because the cosplayer wants to show how many cosplays they've done or can do.
I always find it dissapointing if I click on a costume and you just find a shot of someone's face. I'm like 'B-but...I wanna see zee costume! ;_; DENIED' I like the idea of a 'completed photos' 'Progress shots' tab though for on here. :3 I suppose thats what scrapbook is for on DA. Least thats what I use it for.

I don't mind OC's either because you see some gorgeous OC's done. I have a friend who has plans to make some stunning OC's of her own. I think you can definitely tell if a costume has been a hastilly done closet cosplay or a properly done closet cosplay thats amazingly well thought out.

(The characters I mentioned were used because I like them, not to point fingers at anyone <3)


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15 Sep 2010 - 21:5540785
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But if its literally them grabbing things from a drawer and going 'Casual Demyx!' 'Emo Cloud!' 'Raver Vincent!'


These are the type of "cosplays" that I find annoying. I mean I've done an original bikini cosplay of Rinoa but I didn't just grab the first bikini in my drawer, I thought about the colours she would wear and what items I could use in reference to her (Pet Pals magazine for example). Also I have yet to upload photos as I want to get some taken at a beach so it suits the outfit and there is a beach in the game so it's still being relevant. I didn't want to take photos of me in this cosplay in my bedroom as thought it would look like I'm attention seeking or making an original cosplay for the sake of it so to speak.

Okay went on a bit of a tangent there but I hope you get my point.


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15 Sep 2010 - 22:4440788
hmmm, some interesting points here.

the double posting thing i can see being annoying. i personally dont notice, but i have heard of a few people doing it. either deleting a photo and uploading the identical same one again, or just uploading loads of photos that look the same, over and over, every few weeks uploading a new one that just looks the same as the others, labeling it as new. it seems needless to me, and even if not done intentionally to gain more comments, i can understand people thinking it. i personally only upload new/change photos if i find one i like better than one i already have up, and usually only just after a convention, or the costume is new.

as far as the closet cosplays an OCs goes. i really dont mind either. as long as it looks good, and not too far from the character or concept its portraying, then i think its fine. i myself have done some closet cosplays in the past. Indiana Jones and Malcolmn Reynolds both came more or less direct from my own wardrobe, and i only did them because i already had the items of clothing needed. they may not be the best costumes ive ever done, but i still like them, and honestly believe they have as much right to be here as my other, more elaborate works.


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16 Sep 2010 - 07:5140796
I don't want to swoop in here and russle feathers but, here goes my two cents worth !!

My personal opinion on this is that as long as the material isn't offensive, people should be allowed to post whatever they wish. Even if it's multiple face shots or the tiniest detail change about their costume.

A site like this would become an incredible bore if it was just packed with rules that aren't really all that necessary.

Also about the closet cosplay, cosplay is cosplay at the end of the day. Why should people be restricted from uploading their costumes just because it's not FABULOUSLY EPIC ? Even if they do have a gallery full...again, does this really matter? Is it hurting or offending anyone ?

One thing I do agree on though, is the repeat upload of the same pictures for comments - though I haven't noticed it, I can imagine it would be anoying.


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17 Sep 2010 - 17:3040926
Hmmmm, what I dont like seeing are pictures of in progress things that are really low quality. I mean the quality of the image here, not the actual thing in progress.

Alot of the time it means we can't see it properly so it's kinda dissapointing to see a really fun costume in progress by someone and then the images are illegable.

Otherwise, I suppose it does get my goat when you have an album full of shots of a face with no changes but to each their own you know?.

Now one thing I do get abit fed up with are with the forums, so it technically is posting, but posting on the forums. Pointless threads. I don;t mean threads that have debate or deiscussions. I mean threads that.....really are just....pointless. Or say, the question has been answered several times already, there are tutorials everywhere and a 5 second google search could have answered it.

I mean, it's fine if you are asking opinions, or say "I've found this, but I'm wondering has anyone else had any ideas, suggestions, reccomendations?"

You probablly know what I mean. I don't mean ALL of the threads that ask questions, or ALL of the threads that seem pointless. I mean the ones that are really, very very obvious.
There are some threads that are just silly and fun, those are great and I have no issue with those. Again though. To each their own.


17 Sep 2010 - 19:4540936
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I mean threads that.....really are just....pointless. Or say, the question has been answered several times already, there are tutorials everywhere and a 5 second google search could have answered it.


I agree. I'm really happy that the Cosplay Island forums are quite active, but I think they're really needing an overhaul to organise things a bit better. They worked back when hardly anyone posted, so the thread numbers were low... but we're getting a few new threads every day and it's building up.

...wow, this thread is going pretty off-topic... maybe it should get moved to the comments / suggestions sub forum... XD


17 Sep 2010 - 22:2540949
Offender?
I don't know if I'm an offender here or not. I can never be bothered to write all the info down all at once, and tend to go back adding bits as it occurs to me.
I add new piccys as they come in, because I never have a good choice all at once.
I do Steampunk original cossys, and will be posting more pics as I do new kit and get better photo's.


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18 Sep 2010 - 11:2140964
Joshua: no, you're not an offender. Your costumes are all well made, and interesting. So I'm always happy when I see on my news feed that you've uploaded something Also, I completely understand what you mean about not bothering to write everything up at once, I'm like that too.


28 Sep 2010 - 08:2441765
Quote street-angel:
There's three sort of examples that I mean by this.

1/ People that will post the same photos over and over in a series of delete and re-upload, where they haven't done anything to the picture just trying to hook more comments

Uploading edited versions of the photos or cycling your favourites cause you've got more than the 12 maximum is not included here.


This winds me up like crazy!

I do NOT want to keep getting updates about costumes where not a damn thing has changed, just because someone wants to hook in more comments


04 Oct 2010 - 15:5142208
Discovered something recently that I do have a problem with- Taking an old planned costume with a lot of comments and simply changing the name/icon/desc to a new character in order to keep the comment count. Especially when all the comments refer to the previous character... it doesn't make sense and it's an obvious and desperate attempt to rack up comments |:


04 Oct 2010 - 16:4242214
To be honest, I think that people should be free to post what they want, when they want.

Yes I do agree with peoples opinions on the multiple uploading of the SAME picture... that is pointless.

But what I mean is, I upload new pictures of my cosplays If I've just come back from an event, or had a photoshoot with friends ect. Even if I haven't edited ANYTHING on the costume.

I don't want Cosplay Island to turn into a site where someone feels that they can't update a costume that they took some better photos of, or just relised they accidentaly misspelled something on the infomation tab, or changed what event they wore something to just because its going to annoy someone.

If it really annoys you that much, don't have them on your friends list, so then they don't appear on your Recent Friends Activity feed.


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