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02 Sep 2010 - 14:3539768
Does it bother you how little some young cosplayers wear?
By young, I mean anything from 0 - 14/16

This is something that does bug me. On the one hand I appreciate that cosplay is about wearing/making a character that you love come to life, or showing your skills, or taking pretty pictures or having a right laugh with you're friends. On the other I am aware that the cosplay/anime community is not fool proof.

I have met and seen several young cosplays in barely anything and, whereas this isn't so much of a problem at cons over expos as they tend to have age limits at least or they are a little more secure in terms of attendees to security/committee ratio, if anyone else gets worried by this?

Concidering at the last two expos there have been direct conflicts between Expo attendees and attendees of other events going on the excel centre.

Does anyone else worry?

I'm aware that younger cosplayers aren't really telling their parents what they're wearing and okay, so they may wonder around in friend groups but would they be able to deal with a problem if there was one?

I'm not implying there should be a dress code, and I know, after Lum, that I don't have any room to talk about skimpy cosplayers but I like to think that I am old enough to recognise any advance that may lead to a potentially bad situation, or at least be with people who would be capable of defending me. I wonder if younger cosplayers have this advantage.

If you are a younger cosplayer with a view on this please comment, be nice to know. (I realise the age limit for joining this site is 13+)

Otherwise what are your views?


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02 Sep 2010 - 15:3039780
One time I saw a 2 year old wearing nothing but a nappy! State of Britain today eh?


02 Sep 2010 - 15:3339781
I agree with you on this one Street Angel........It really worries me.

I mean I've had issues with people because of cosplay even when I know what to look for and I'm 24!

ultimatly it's up to the cosplayer, but I do think that alot of people are far too naieve and under informed. Then again there are some people that you can warn until you are blue in the face, they ignore you. Something bad happens and then they realise that yes, they should have listened to you and stayed with a group of people or something. Those are usually the "It'll never happen to me" people.
I'm not pointing fingers at all, but I'm sure people know what I mean here.

The ones that bother me the most are the younger cosplayers, like under 14-16 who are cosplaying things like, Dizzy from guilty gear or something else equally as revealing. I know people don't want to think about it.....and I really REALLY wish that we diddn't ever have to deal with this stuff and we lived in a world where nothing like this ever happened......but there are some very very dangerous people out there and people really need to be carefull.


02 Sep 2010 - 15:3439782
Quote NekoShuffle:
One time I saw a 2 year old wearing nothing but a nappy! State of Britain today eh?


Thats really not the point Street Angel is making.......


02 Sep 2010 - 15:3539783
To be honest i am 17 (was 16 when i joined here but have been cosplaying for longer) and don't like showing to much skin but this October i'll be wearing Kiyoh as i was asked by a friend to join there group. My parents know about it
and i am fully aware of how skimpy it is.

It all really depends on the nature of the cosplay if you ask me. I cosplayed gunner yuna when i was 13 and that can be classed as a skimpy outfit, but no comments of bad nature were made towards me or friends. Only fun was had.

Over all as long as the 'kid' and there parents are aware then i don't have any problems with it, unless there like 12 and wearing hardly anything to cover themselves, waltzing around expo, am afraid thats crossing the line


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02 Sep 2010 - 15:4039785
Yes.

Maybe the worry is unfounded because an older generation might say "well back in my day we all ran around in nothing but our underpants." But somehow... it just makes me uncomfortable.

I think... it depends on what the child is dressed in. If they're wearing, say, Tinkerbell, then I'm okay. If they're wearing something like Jessica Rabbit, I'm not too happy because Jessica Rabbit is supposed to be seductive, even though she shows less skin than Tinkerbell. The outfit sexualises a child, if you know what I mean? I might not be using the right words here...


02 Sep 2010 - 15:4139787
Quote Pez:
Yes.

Maybe the worry is unfounded because an older generation might say "well back in my day we all ran around in nothing but our underpants." But somehow... it just makes me uncomfortable.

I think... it depends on what the child is dressed in. If they're wearing, say, Tinkerbell, then I'm okay. If they're wearing something like Jessica Rabbit, I'm not too happy because Jessica Rabbit is supposed to be seductive, even though she shows less skin than Tinkerbell. The outfit sexualises a child, if you know what I mean? I might not be using the right words here...


No i agree. as i said the nature of the cosplay. Jessica rabbit is meant to be a 'seductive' outfit were as tinkerbell isn't at all


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02 Sep 2010 - 16:0739790
I agree with Sachiko and others entirely; it really does depend on the nature and the character themselves using the previous examples; (Jessica rabbit; Seductive, appealing to men. Tinkerbell; Cutesy jealous pixy thing pff)

Though- I was 16 when I cosplayed Yoko Littner (horribly.) But my parents knew exactly what I was wearing as they do all my other costumes as they have to see every single one thats done and finished to help me improve it a little.

So I'm in the mindset that the parents have a right to know; or the kid shouldn't be out in the outfit.


02 Sep 2010 - 16:1839791
Just want to add: having said all that, the onlooker might not know anything about the characters concerned, and all they see is a scantily-clad child. Some children are more street-wise than others, but I have heard stories about a pervert hanging around major events in Singapore (or Taiwan, don't remember) preying on younger kids who don't know how to say no or look for help.

Like, at JAF recently, a very small cosplaying child recognised my Zidane and glomped me from behind. She was dressed as some sort of a fairy (?) and seemed to be there on her own. Not only was that dangerous (my tail was attached to an inner belt by nails and wood), if I was that way inclined I could've lured her away and nobody would've known what'd happened...



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02 Sep 2010 - 17:2339799
I'm not saying they can't cosplay or implying that them wearing skimpy cosplays or thinks like gunna Yuna with lots of leg and a bit of chest area is a bad thing.

I'm more worried about the false confidence they may have at something like an expo where it isn't just us. I know it's not going to happen to everyone and I know there's nothing that can be done besides raising awareness but oh well *shrug*


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02 Sep 2010 - 17:2439800
Quote NekoShuffle:
One time I saw a 2 year old wearing nothing but a nappy! State of Britain today eh?


I don't know if this was humour or sarcasm.


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02 Sep 2010 - 17:2639802
Thoughts I have on this:

1)That people you consider too young are wearing outfits that make you uncomfortable, not them. People need to get over this idea that being naked is in some way dirty. People under 16 are sexual beings too, that's what puberty is all about. It's wrong to deny them to explore their own sexuality, which is also about how they feel when they wear certain clothes.

2)People who will take advantage of young cosplayers. This happens regardless of what people are wearing at events. The problem is the people doing it, not the fault of what people wear. This is WAY too close to the "she was asking for it" argument. Here's a great video which I think gets the point across:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h95-IL3C-Z8

-Tab


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02 Sep 2010 - 17:3039803
Quote KhaosKreator:
Thoughts I have on this:

1)That people you consider too young are wearing outfits that make you uncomfortable, not them. People need to get over this idea that being naked is in some way dirty. People under 16 are sexual beings too, that's what puberty is all about. It's wrong to deny them to explore their own sexuality, which is also about how they feel when they wear certain clothes.

2)People who will take advantage of young cosplayers. This happens regardless of what people are wearing at events. The problem is the people doing it, not the fault of what people wear. This is WAY too close to the "she was asking for it" argument. Here's a great video which I think gets the point across:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h95-IL3C-Z8

-Tab


I worry for their safety more than care about what they wear XD But I see your point.


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02 Sep 2010 - 17:3439804
Quote street-angel:


I worry for their safety more than care about what they wear XD But I see your point.


If you're worried about their safety you should look into how to stop paedophiles, not tell kids that they should stop expressing themselves.

-Tab


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02 Sep 2010 - 17:3839805
I agree but only to a certain extent - some of them are really young, not even teens yet, and I'd prefer if they don't start worrying about whether they're acting sexy enough to look like Jessica Rabbit.

But yes, this is about me being uncomfortable, not them.

As for Tab's second point, yes to that too, except... events make younger children easier to find. If a perv is unsuccessful with one, they can easily find another at the other end of the hall. And young children who are dressed up might have a fake surge of confidence to do things they probably shouldn't, in a "I'm dressed as Jessica therefore it's in character that I sit on this man's lap" way. This makes them more vulnerable in my view.


02 Sep 2010 - 18:0839808
Quote KhaosKreator:
Quote street-angel:


I worry for their safety more than care about what they wear XD But I see your point.


If you're worried about their safety you should look into how to stop paedophiles, not tell kids that they should stop expressing themselves.

-Tab


But I'm not telling them to stop.


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02 Sep 2010 - 18:0839809
Quote KhaosKreator:
Thoughts I have on this:

1)That people you consider too young are wearing outfits that make you uncomfortable, not them. People need to get over this idea that being naked is in some way dirty. People under 16 are sexual beings too, that's what puberty is all about. It's wrong to deny them to explore their own sexuality, which is also about how they feel when they wear certain clothes.


I find it incredibly disturbing that you're encouraging children to "explore their own sexuality".


02 Sep 2010 - 18:3539814
From someone who has been in a situation when I was much younger (as well as much older)...

Alot of the problem comes from fact perverts will be perverts. There are some people in the world that just have no morals and believe that male or female that if your in a skimpy costume or clothes that your 'asking for it'. This is just the way they think! There is also a small minority that also do not take no for an answer. These people do not care what age (or gender in some cases) their victim is or what costume it is. They just see a sexual object that they will do what they can to get! The problem comes (regardless of age) when the person in the outfit is too naive to realise what it is that is being expected of them. It unfortunate that the younger you are the less knowledge and experience you have to recognize these kind of people.


Then of course you have the teens that know exactly what they are doing and do it just because they know it would upset their parents. That delightful rebellious stage...


02 Sep 2010 - 18:4839815
yup it bothers me.
but i cant control what bothers me so i just let the half naked child pass me by
i just worry for them.. especially these days when there are disgusting pedos flocking to every anime/coslay related event there is


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02 Sep 2010 - 20:0539820
Quote Hannah-Kiwii:
Quote KhaosKreator:
Thoughts I have on this:

1)That people you consider too young are wearing outfits that make you uncomfortable, not them. People need to get over this idea that being naked is in some way dirty. People under 16 are sexual beings too, that's what puberty is all about. It's wrong to deny them to explore their own sexuality, which is also about how they feel when they wear certain clothes.


I find it incredibly disturbing that you're encouraging children to "explore their own sexuality".


Yes, because sexuality pings on at 16 like a lightbulb when the government says it's legal.


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02 Sep 2010 - 21:3739827
I've got to say that I agree with Khaos on people exploring their sexuality before they hit 16 because that kind of thing comes on years before then, admittedly I don't always like the idea of how far some of these people go and have openly frowned upon friends when they have, for instance, lost their virginity at a young age but that was due to people acting as though they were "fully developed" in both a physical and mental way...

Which leads me on to the actual subject, I don't always mind if a younger person is in a somewhat revealing costume, the problem comes when they persons in question act in the afforementioned "Jessica Rabbit" way.

At the end of the day I have somewhat old-fashion views on how people should act in public but so long as these people are aware of the notions the could be giving out and don't act upon them then no harm done.

Oh and on a sidenote, I personally see this whole everyone's a paedophile way of thinking to have gotten out of hand, ten years ago you wouldn't hear hide nor hair of them.



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02 Sep 2010 - 21:4939829
I'm 14, but i started cosplaying when i was 13. I honesly don't have a problem with younger people cosplaying skimpy stuff, because it's up to them to choose what they wear. I personally wouldn't wear anything showing too much skin until i lose weight, but that's only because i'm not comfortable with my body. Once i'm comfortable with my body i see no problem in wearing something that i've chosen to wear myself. I know how to handle myself, and if i get any trouble from other people because of the costume i'm wearing, i'll tell somebody. I think it's alright as long as you know how to handle yourself.


02 Sep 2010 - 23:1039844
Quote Koufuku:
I'm 14, but i started cosplaying when i was 13. I honesly don't have a problem with younger people cosplaying skimpy stuff, because it's up to them to choose what they wear. I personally wouldn't wear anything showing too much skin until i lose weight, but that's only because i'm not comfortable with my body. Once i'm comfortable with my body i see no problem in wearing something that i've chosen to wear myself. I know how to handle myself, and if i get any trouble from other people because of the costume i'm wearing, i'll tell somebody. I think it's alright as long as you know how to handle yourself.


agree totally! as long as you understand the dangers, know the best way to act and always have your phone nearby there isn't much else that can be done! No point having to compromise on fun because some people are a bit dodgy, the whole thing is probably way blown out of proportion as it is.


03 Sep 2010 - 02:2739856
Tbh if there is a child at expo/cons they mostly always have there friends with them or parents.
In the past i seen a a young girl in a skimpy-ish outfit, i was worried for them but then i seen there parents shouting her to not get to far and come back, then i realised that really how many really young kids go without anyone at there side to such a big event?


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03 Sep 2010 - 08:5139866
I can see where people are coming from with the whole issue of sexuality amongst the younger generation. And true they should be cautious and prefrably inform they're folks if they decide to cosplay in a "Jessica Rabbit" sorta way. To be truthful I tend to see kids wearing skimpy-er stuff out on the street than I do in Cosplay and that to be frank is what I find off putting. That young women, in my area and where my sister lives at least, seem to iconise themselves as sexual beings rather than just human beings as a whole. It happened when I was in my teens and it is most likely something beyond our control whilst we live in a world that iconises beauty as power and power as beauty. As long as kids 14/16 & up are careful, respectful of other people and the hard work they put into their cosplays then what they decide to cosplay as is up to them.

In reguards to what was mentioned earlier in reguards to 14yrs- there should be parents keeping an eye on the lil kids. Me and my mate twas walking round expo and she had this real nice outfit she spent ages on when some silly lil 10 yr old princess tutu full on glomps her quite tightly from behind, without warning, causing several parts of her outfit and the prop she was carrying to be damaged! It also winded her like heck and if she'd been glomped any harder I think it would have done more bad than good. So yeah kids should be kept in check, otherwise I'd be seriously tempted to give a good old fashioned scolding to which ever small lil so-in-so tries to 'surprise' me with a hug.

I'm not all against kids going to cons, quite the opposite I love the fact that younger people are taking an interest in the genres I've adored since I was their age. And when I was cosplaying as Shiva in May it was actually quite nice to see a lil girls face light up when I agreed to have a picture taken with her, I think she thought I was some kind of princess or somethin. So yeah Kids be respectful, and if over 12/14 be responsable for where you go, how you act and what you decide to wear at Cons. Never think "it will not happen to me", no one ever thinks that the worse will happen to em. I'm 22 and still ensure people know where I go and that I have a means to get help if the worse ever occurs.

Sorry to have ranted and I know not everyone will agree with what I've stated here, but it is just my honest opinion which everyone is entitled to. So yeah Rant Over


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