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18 Aug 2010 - 19:2138916
I think down to the point people

cosplaying may be getting a bit to OTT nowadays, like this thread, im with the people who agree your not a slut if you do

Look like everyones said , for the last time, if youve got it, and you want to flaunt it DO IT, SERIOUSLY

your not a slut if you cosplay skimpy all the time, and if you wana do it DOO IT STOP WHINING ABOUT THINKING YOUR A SLUT IF YOU DO IT, your probably attracting more attention in asking if doing something is slutty than you would if you just did it lol

dont mean to sound rude but people ITS COSPLAY
COSTUME PLAY ...PLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!


18 Aug 2010 - 19:2238917
Quote NekoShuffle:
"Slut" is basically a slang word for a girl who sleeps around a lot because she can, there's not really like a dictionary definition for it.


I beg to disagree

Sorry couldn't resist! I think enough's been said really. As someone who has been called a slut in the past (several years ago now) and spent this weekend prancing around in an open fronted skirt- Did i do it cos I thought I'd get lucky? No, I did it to look F-ing awesome


18 Aug 2010 - 19:3338920
I wore a fair few revealing cosplays at ame this year. My reasoning was I'd been going to gym and was finally confident enough to do all the cosplays I'd never dared to! XD

I dug out all the bits I'd saved up for Kanu/Gaga/Haruhi bunny girl (all characters I loveeee just wish I could play the guitar for 'lost my music' lol!) and said right this is so on I'll finally get to do this!

I got attention yeah but as long as it doesnt cross any lines its fine! Asking for photos is no problem =).

I also got followed by some creep one night and was scared as hell i thought 'as a bunny girl am I asking for it?) but when I went up to ops for help they said this.

'If you wear a bikini at the beach are you asking for it? If its a costume you love this is the place to do it at a con, this is the right place to be able to confidently wear your costume! Expect attention and asking for photos but you have the right to feel safe and happy in your outfit.'

Properly summed it up for me, never feel like you shouldn't cosplay a costume you love!


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18 Aug 2010 - 19:4938925
Quote agi:
Quote NekoShuffle:
"Slut" is basically a slang word for a girl who sleeps around a lot because she can, there's not really like a dictionary definition for it.


I beg to disagree

Sorry couldn't resist! I think enough's been said really. As someone who has been called a slut in the past (several years ago now) and spent this weekend prancing around in an open fronted skirt- Did i do it cos I thought I'd get lucky? No, I did it to look F-ing awesome


Crikey! Oh well, glad to see I'm on the same level as the oxford dictionary peoples. Time to make some new words


18 Aug 2010 - 22:5538944
I totally cosplayed kuja to get attention. Not because i was wearing practically nothing (ok that maybe- its kinda liberating to feel a bit nooody sometimes- burgeoning exhibitionist here LOL)
but because i wanted to be a little bit proud of the fact i put shit loads of work into a cosplay (albeit a skimpy one) and wanted to make sure i got some epic photos of it.

But it does beg the question why guys dodge this- i did get a load of dirty looks and comments from a fair few lady folk over the weekend (most under their breath and more then likely just idiotic comments) and did like street angel said turn a few guys eyes (omg their faces after were immense) but i do think that guys get off lightly when it comes to revealing cosplays since
a) there aren't many for blokes
b) there aren'tmany for blokes without having to crossplay
c)blokes can be a little bit too conservative with their cosplay choices and don't venture i think far enough into it.

I have a lot of respect for you lady folk who wear little and show off your cosplays skills and think generally anyone who does it deserves a a pat on the back or where there isn't going to be a law suit involved.3

All i would say is, is bring a fekking jumper and some extra trousers as it gets effing cold round the old thighs and nads boys!


18 Aug 2010 - 23:1538950
I think you can tell by someones physical attitude if they are wearing something skimpy to show off or just because they like the character and they love cosplay. Arrogant exhibitionists are never fun but I've never come across a cosplayer like that yet!
I'd like to think I'd be quite happy in some of the skimpier costumes if I had confidence myself. It seems all the characters I like wear layers and I spent the Saturday of the expo I wore my Hecate costume feeling pretty ill because I was so hot. I tend to envy the girls in the less bulky costumes because I know they won't be sweating like pigs!
I spoke to a girl doing an incredibly brave cosplay of lucy from elfen leid last time I was at expo. She was showing a lot of flesh but she looked amazing and she was so completely relaxed it made me think how great it would be if we could all be that confident in our own skin. Unfortunately there are stupid pressures from modern society which lead to far too many girls being completely unhappy with their own bodies. I think the skimpier cosplays like these can make people feel good about themselves (as I find cosplay does in general) and I don't want to see that as a bad thing.

(there are some pretty amazing rikku and yoko cosplays out there too and i think it's a shame to condemn them for showing a little skin! )


19 Aug 2010 - 01:1338955
To be honest people should cosplay whoever they want. If people feel they can do skimpy cosplays they should be celebrated for having confidence in themselves.
Calling them a slut or whatever just because they like to wear skimpy outfits isn't really fair on them. And could really make them lose confidence. In the end they may just be someone who loves those type of characters or like the opportunity to dress down and get away with it. XD

I crossplay skimpy characters and honestly couldn't care what others think as long as I look good to myself when I see the pics post con. When I see a girl doing it I honestly pay no heed, since at a con I'm used to the sight of that anyway. Either that or if it's a character I really like I think to myself: "I'd really like to try that."


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19 Aug 2010 - 19:5338995
All I am going to say is, think to yourself what is so bad about a 'slut'? Please share as well. Seriously, I really want to read some replys to this.



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19 Aug 2010 - 21:3939004
If u wanna wear a skimpy cosplay u go for it, dont give a damn about anyone elce if they think u are a slut then let them think that way, dont matter if your male or female, u do what u feel best in and u will look good doing it.
I dont think size matters, persoanly, if your of a bigger size and still wear a skimpy cosplay GOOD FOR YOU, wish i had that type of confadance.
i must admit i would never use the word slut on anyone (unless its a joke with a friend who knows its a joke) even if they were to sleep with a new partner every nite.


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20 Aug 2010 - 20:1339044
Quote agi:
Quote NekoShuffle:
"Slut" is basically a slang word for a girl who sleeps around a lot because she can, there's not really like a dictionary definition for it.


I beg to disagree

Sorry couldn't resist! I think enough's been said really. As someone who has been called a slut in the past (several years ago now) and spent this weekend prancing around in an open fronted skirt- Did i do it cos I thought I'd get lucky? No, I did it to look F-ing awesome


I was gonna comment on that. In the Collins Dictionary and Thesaurus, it says that Slut is a Dirty or Immoral woman. In my mum's dictionary (back before oxford dictionary existed lol) it says slit is a "Slovenly woman" (sloven = Person of careless untidy habits esp. as regards as clothes and toilet -ly careless in person or in methods of work)


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21 Aug 2010 - 18:3439093
I wouldn't do it myself personally because I'm not comfortable enough with certain parts of my body, so I really kind of... admire (not the right word) people who have to courage to pick their favourite characters and wear more revealing cosplays.

I don't think they make you a slut. I think certain things can be forgiven in cosplay and if it's accurate to the character then it's okay.

I wouldn't judge someone who is confident of their body and likes to show it off, or feels they suit the character and want to wear it. It would make no difference if they'd have done one, or all of them were skimpy. It's their choice.

While I'm personally not fond of it (especially when people might take pictures and immortalise my ickiness foreverrrr) I'd rather avoid it myself.


21 Aug 2010 - 19:4339094
Clothes don't make you a slut, actions do. ;D

Personally I'd rather see a revealing cosplay than a mini-skirt and bra at a club. But people like to sound righteous by calling those with the confidence to be so outgoing 'slutty'. It's a real shame.


21 Aug 2010 - 21:3039100
There's nothing wrong with doing a skimpy cosplay if you really love the character or something. ^^

I was also wondering, you know how some people say that a slut is a woman who sleeps with lots of men, right? If that's true and if they find it disgraceful and such, then what about men who sleep around with lots of women? As a sidenote, my this isn't feminist raging or anything, but I was just wondering how many people are disgusted at women who sleep with lots of men but not with men who sleep with lots of women. :3 Just wondering. xD Please don't take it the wrong way~.


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22 Aug 2010 - 01:0139103
I'm like, very plus-sized, but I've worn revealing costumes before, usually superheroes where I've got my legs and cleavage out. I don't see it as 'Slutty', except perhaps in the occassional joke, because they're costumes.

Speaking from my persoective, I feel there is a lot of bias in the community. I sometimes feel unable to do a cosplay I might really want to do, just because I'm big (size 22) and I'd need to show a lot of skin. People should stop judging others because that's never been what cosplay is about.

The upsetting thing is, when you see a 'chubby' or 'fat' girl cosplay something some would call slutty or daring, when she gets recogniton, no matter how small, or has done soemthing really well and gets commented on in a positive manner, it's such a good feeling and I nice thing to see- not in an arrogant way, but it certainly helps them confident.
On the other hand, there are girls who do it to show off and all they get is a stupid ego, and a nasty attitude to people 'not as sexy' as they are. But these are also the ones that usually eventually grow out of cosplay, because it's no longer something that makes mummy and daddy angry.


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23 Aug 2010 - 02:0639153
Quote Fables:

But these are also the ones that usually eventually grow out of cosplay, because it's no longer something that makes mummy and daddy angry.


This may come across badly given its 2am, but seriously, this sort of comment amuses the hell out of me - most of the people saying people shouldn't judge other people also do it themselves, as you've just done there.

It's human nature to judge others at the end of the day, whether people like it or not. This isn't the first thread that attempts to flail against this sort of thing, but most people going "why do others judge X isn't it horrible" then judge some other group like chavs or similar on sight.

Funny old world isnt it?


23 Aug 2010 - 06:1539159
Quote Fables:
On the other hand, there are girls who do it to show off and all they get is a stupid ego, and a nasty attitude to people 'not as sexy' as they are. But these are also the ones that usually eventually grow out of cosplay, because it's no longer something that makes mummy and daddy angry.

Just as a comment, this sounds rather hipocritical as you say that you're sick of being judged then judging someone else. But saying that, I understand what you mean. Their are some cosplayer that only cosplay to get a reaction - mainly from their parents.

Quote Blue_Clover:
There's nothing wrong with doing a skimpy cosplay if you really love the character or something. ^^

I was also wondering, you know how some people say that a slut is a woman who sleeps with lots of men, right? If that's true and if they find it disgraceful and such, then what about men who sleep around with lots of women? As a sidenote, my this isn't feminist raging or anything, but I was just wondering how many people are disgusted at women who sleep with lots of men but not with men who sleep with lots of women. :3 Just wondering. xD Please don't take it the wrong way~.


I'm sick of double standards when we're suppose to be living in a world were everything is equal. If you're the type to champion men for adding notches to the belt, then you should champion women for doing the same. If you're the type to find it disgraceful, then both should be equally disgraceful.

It goes with if a man is with a woman a lot younger than him (I'm talking legal age and above btw), the woman is seen as a gold digger. If it's the flipside, and an older woman is with a younger man, she's seen as a cradel snatcher - it's never the man's fault.

It just seems that in the "sexual and visual" world, the woman is always at fault or disgraceful whereas the man is 'jack the lad' and patted on the back.

Of course, there are differences. When it comes to domestic violence, peodophilia and rape it's harder for a woman to be convicted for it that for a man. DV because it's not really believed that a woman is capable of hitting her husband and/or that the husband should be able to defend himself. With the second again it's seen that the woman isn't capable (in some cases, it's ruled that the boy seduced the older woman) and the third... well, one part was technically agreeing to it. For some reason, people are much more willing to accept that (some) men do those things whilst with women it's always a shock (saying that, we can also throw murder in the mix - the police aren't as willing to accept the woman did it).

I don't like double standards...


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23 Aug 2010 - 09:1339164
I think this is one of "those" threads. The "danger of all falling out" I wouldnt include my 10 cents simply because A.Its not something frankly ive given much time to think about and B.Its is really just asking for trouble XD

Its reminds me of the "Elitest cosplayers" thread O_o and we all remember the controversy of that bad boy.

I will say this however, Junta is 100% correct! Judging is a very natural part of human nature, on its basic level I dont blame anyone for it, its when we start basing our actions on judgements, thats when we have trouble XD

Luke.


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23 Aug 2010 - 09:3139167
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Fables:
On the other hand, there are girls who do it to show off and all they get is a stupid ego, and a nasty attitude to people 'not as sexy' as they are. But these are also the ones that usually eventually grow out of cosplay, because it's no longer something that makes mummy and daddy angry.

Just as a comment, this sounds rather hipocritical as you say that you're sick of being judged then judging someone else. But saying that, I understand what you mean. Their are some cosplayer that only cosplay to get a reaction - mainly from their parents.


This is what I'm getting at (the reaction part). It might be that I have trouble wording things sometimes D:

Actually, I admit I am a hypocrite, I do it a lot without even realizing I've done it, but at least I managed to get my point across >_<


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23 Aug 2010 - 11:3439175
This is how the world works, if you don't like it then it's tuff titties I'm afraid.

Everyone has a preferance and YES sometimes it really isn't needed for people to voice them out loud but the fact is, it's still true. Different people like different things.

Some men and women like thin girls and guys, some dont, some like bigger girls and guys, some dont.

You see the point?

It's absolutly impossible to escape from and as Junta and Ryuk have already said. Judgement is human nature. You can deny it all you want, you can even tell yourself that you arent judgemental........but everyone is. In your mind, you do it, everyone does.

"You cannot live in this world without being judged"

Thats something I've always said to myself, and to others.

As soon as you start accepting that, then it gets easier to deal with it.

Another example of everyone has different preferences:

I'm a size 12, some people would call me fat, others think my shape is perfect. I think I'm fat and I wont be happy until I'm smaller. So MY preference is for ME to be smaller, yet I see other girls and guys who really really rock their shape and some of them could be fairly thin and willowy and some larger than others.

So my preference for myself compared to others is very different.

Thats just an example of just how hugely different 1 persons preferences can be. If thats one person think about everyone else.


23 Aug 2010 - 12:2339177
Quote NixieThePixie:

I'm sick of double standards when we're suppose to be living in a world were everything is equal. If you're the type to champion men for adding notches to the belt, then you should champion women for doing the same. If you're the type to find it disgraceful, then both should be equally disgraceful.

It goes with if a man is with a woman a lot younger than him (I'm talking legal age and above btw), the woman is seen as a gold digger. If it's the flipside, and an older woman is with a younger man, she's seen as a cradel snatcher - it's never the man's fault.

It just seems that in the "sexual and visual" world, the woman is always at fault or disgraceful whereas the man is 'jack the lad' and patted on the back.

Of course, there are differences. When it comes to domestic violence, peodophilia and rape it's harder for a woman to be convicted for it that for a man. DV because it's not really believed that a woman is capable of hitting her husband and/or that the husband should be able to defend himself. With the second again it's seen that the woman isn't capable (in some cases, it's ruled that the boy seduced the older woman) and the third... well, one part was technically agreeing to it. For some reason, people are much more willing to accept that (some) men do those things whilst with women it's always a shock (saying that, we can also throw murder in the mix - the police aren't as willing to accept the woman did it).

I don't like double standards...


Fair play, this is true a lot of the time, but don't think it's true for everyone! I'm a guy and I've got a mate who REALLY sleeps around and he thinks he's a right player, while I don't think "OMG that's AWFUL" I don't really think it's as cool as he tries to make it out to be! Christ knows what kind of crazy diseases he has below the belt.

Most of the time he only sleeps with very...promiscuous women shall we say, which I have no problem with, but when he starts trying to get with any female in a 10 foot radius it does get a bit tedious and a bit of a hassle.

But yeah, the 'jack the lad' mentality isn't as common as you may think, and I think the reason why it is as common as it is is because being a single male who DOESN'T sleep with loads of women is likely to get you a lot of stick from other guys who will call you gay and generally be quite bullying about it.

And yes Junta I totally agree! At school there would always be an alternative/gothic crew who used to complain they got picked on by chavs and that chavs pickedo on them because they were closed minded, yet god help you if you wore trainers in PE that weren't some kind of skating shoe: you = chav and they would never speak to you again

And nothing has really changed, the amount of ppl I know who like rock music and think they are open minded about music yet you say you like any kind of electronic music and they write it off as crap or chav music. Pathetic!



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23 Aug 2010 - 13:0439178
Quote NekoShuffle:


But yeah, the 'jack the lad' mentality isn't as common as you may think, and I think the reason why it is as common as it is is because being a single male who DOESN'T sleep with loads of women is likely to get you a lot of stick from other guys who will call you gay and generally be quite bullying about it.



This is very true and it's really not fair.

Then again, I dont tend to dscriminate very much. If a woman is promiscuous and a man is the same, then I veiw them with the same eye. They are both promiscuous people. I don't agree with it, but I don't push my veiws on it on everyone I talk to.

Jack the lad isn't as common in our world no, the anime community doesn't have many of them at all.

BUT!

The majority community (for exacmple the norms, the ones that go clubbing every night if they get the chance, the chavs and what not) There are FAR more of them in that community than there are in ours. This is mostly because there are more of them as a whole than there are of us.

That's the only reason it's not as common as you think, because we dont see it as much in our world, but it's still very much an everyday occurence in alot of others.

That idea can be applied to like...everything though. Since the more people there are, the more of them will be X,Y and Z.


23 Aug 2010 - 14:3339184
Quote Lulu Rose:

The majority community (for exacmple the norms, the ones that go clubbing every night if they get the chance, the chavs and what not) There are FAR more of them in that community than there are in ours. This is mostly because there are more of them as a whole than there are of us.

That's the only reason it's not as common as you think, because we dont see it as much in our world, but it's still very much an everyday occurence in alot of others.

That idea can be applied to like...everything though. Since the more people there are, the more of them will be X,Y and Z.


No! That is not right at all! You are being very discriminatory in saying that. For a start, don't use "our world" I would go to raves every night if I could and I have been to far more raves and clubs than I have conventions, in fact if I was to only attend MCM london expos for the rest of my life I would still have been going to more raves than conventions. I am not really a huge part of the anime community at all, most of my friends are the "normal" people you speak of. You are stereotyping and that is exactly what I'm talking about in my previous post. So called 'open minded' people not having a clue at all!

It's wrong to call people who go to clubs chavs, I hardly ever go clubbing anymore because mainly I go to raves now instead but if you've been to a club lately you will find that there really are not that many chavs at clubs at all most wouldn't even get past security.

So NO. Do not call my friends chavs thank you very much! I do not appreciate that one bit. If you bothered to go out you would find that most people who go out are decent nice people like you and me and we are not keen on chavs all the same!


23 Aug 2010 - 15:0039186
Quote NekoShuffle:

No! That is not right at all! You are being very discriminatory in saying that. For a start, don't use "our world" I would go to raves every night if I could and I have been to far more raves and clubs than I have conventions, in fact if I was to only attend MCM london expos for the rest of my life I would still have been going to more raves than conventions. I am not really a huge part of the anime community at all, most of my friends are the "normal" people you speak of. You are stereotyping and that is exactly what I'm talking about in my previous post. So called 'open minded' people not having a clue at all!

It's wrong to call people who go to clubs chavs, I hardly ever go clubbing anymore because mainly I go to raves now instead but if you've been to a club lately you will find that there really are not that many chavs at clubs at all most wouldn't even get past security.

So NO. Do not call my friends chavs thank you very much! I do not appreciate that one bit. If you bothered to go out you would find that most people who go out are decent nice people like you and me and we are not keen on chavs all the same!


Whoa whoa whoa, calm down a bit yeah?

I am aware there are several different communities and yes I AM aware that there are people who aren't chavs who go to clubs. I didn't say that ONLY CHAVS go to clubs. I was aiming at the MAJORITY of what we see.

You really can't take what people say as a personal attack on you and your friends.

Seriously, I'm not so narrow minded to think that only chavs are outside and THANK YOU but I DO go outside. I admit I'm not big on clubs, I don't enjoy drinking loads. I'll drink a little but it's not my main agenda when I go out. And NO I AM NOT saying that that's all you do either.

Did I single you out? no I didn't I was merely pointing out an observation a MAJORITY like I said, I know not all clubbers are chavs, I know people who love raves who aren't chavs and are into anime, hell I dated one.

Honestly I really don't like the way you've implied I have no clue and that "if you bothered to go out" is just unnecessarily offensive. I don't get why you feel the need to be so up in arms at me when I didn't single you out.

Like I said. a MAJORITY observation, I am aware there are exceptions to the rule.

Also stereotyping is UNAVOIDABLE. Everyone falls into one in the eyes of other people.


23 Aug 2010 - 15:1139187
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Whoa whoa whoa, calm down a bit yeah?

I am aware there are several different communities and yes I AM aware that there are people who aren't chavs who go to clubs. I didn't say that ONLY CHAVS go to clubs. I was aiming at the MAJORITY of what we see.

You really can't take what people say as a personal attack on you and your friends.

Seriously, I'm not so narrow minded to think that only chavs are outside and THANK YOU but I DO go outside. I admit I'm not big on clubs, I don't enjoy drinking loads. I'll drink a little but it's not my main agenda when I go out. And NO I AM NOT saying that that's all you do either.

Did I single you out? no I didn't I was merely pointing out an observation a MAJORITY like I said, I know not all clubbers are chavs, I know people who love raves who aren't chavs and are into anime, hell I dated one.

Honestly I really don't like the way you've implied I have no clue and that "if you bothered to go out" is just unnecessarily offensive. I don't get why you feel the need to be so up in arms at me when I didn't single you out.

Like I said. a MAJORITY observation, I am aware there are exceptions to the rule.

Also stereotyping is UNAVOIDABLE. Everyone falls into one in the eyes of other people.


Sorry if I'm being offensive but it really does drive me mad the amount of cosplayers I have met who have seemed really nice people but will basically refuse to be friends with you once they find you go out clubbing/to raves/drinking/drugs etc. as if you are some kind of chav. These are the same people who feel like they are misunderstood when in fact they are the worst culprits!

It's like me saying "Most of your friends are nerds cos they like anime". It's unfair and it's a double standard like you mentioned. No, it's NOT a majority observation, you may think it is but it isn't, a "jack the lad" is a TYPE just like every other type, it's not a majority anywhere and its unfair to suggest that.


23 Aug 2010 - 15:2039189
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Sorry if I'm being offensive but it really does drive me mad the amount of cosplayers I have met who have seemed really nice people but will basically refuse to be friends with you once they find you go out clubbing/to raves/drinking/drugs etc. as if you are some kind of chav. These are the same people who feel like they are misunderstood when in fact they are the worst culprits!

It's like me saying "Most of your friends are nerds cos they like anime". It's unfair and it's a double standard like you mentioned. No, it's NOT a majority observation, you may think it is but it isn't, a "jack the lad" is a TYPE just like every other type, it's not a majority anywhere and its unfair to suggest that.



We should just agree to disagree here, My opinion is different to yours. I'm not about to get angry at you for yours, so try not to get angry at others for a differing opinion to yours? I accept that my observation is likley very old fashioned and I also admit that my observations and opinions on some things can change drasticly depsnding on the situation. I do try to think about it though.

Honestly though. I'm not saying I'd be a dick to you because you go to clubs, I never said that and I never suggested that I would.

The internet is a place without feelings. Text based things such as forums suffer from not being able to get across what a person actually feels when they write. I suppose smileys help there? Honestly though, if we were both sat in a room I suspect you'd not react in the same way to what I have said because you'd notice what I actually meant better if you could see me as I said it. Also when posting on forums people tend to avoid typing loads of info, in person I'd have been saying FAR more than I type. So I'd have said "but I'm aware people like clubs and anime, and I've no issue with that"

I'm not the type of person who would turn my back on a friend if they said "actually, I like clubbing." I've never been that type of person, friends are friends regardless of what they do. Of course there are exceptions, for example (this isn't serious here) if a friend turned around and said "oh by the way I killed your dog because I hated him" THEN I'd turn my back on them. But if it was "oh I like clubbing and raves and techno and whatever" I wouldn't. I have SO many friends who like music types I hate, who like things I hate. That doesn't make them people who I don't want to be friends with.


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