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03 Aug 2010 - 12:5537801
Quote .neverbell:

I actually watch the show alot and tbh I've never seen it be that harsh to anyone.

I mean I'd do it but thats because I'm a MASSIVE fan of the show (actually my dad too we sometimes watch it together).

I understand the cautiousness, but I'm pretty sure its not that evil lol I think some people are overreacting a teenie bit.


Firstly, I'd love to see papa barnes on there XD
Anyway, personally, the few I have watched, (maybe 4 or 5 episodes?) They have been quite critical. One involved them looking at cybergoth fashion, humiliating the entire subculture and themselves with their lack of knowledge and closed-minded-ness.

I think the put off for me is the public reaction, but also it depends on the kind of person you are and how you come across. I'd feel terrible if they'd grabbed someone completely new to cosplay who was for lack of a better word, a 'weeaboo' type, they would probably incur a negative response and may end up being upset.
On the other hand, It'd be nice to see an experienced cosplayer who can give a lot of insightful information and possibly generate a lot of understanding and interest form the public- however, only at the editor's disgresion!

And lets not forget that as previously stated, they insulted a fellow cosplayer by claiming their impaired hearing was an attempt to sound more japanese. Sounds pretty mean and stupid to me =/


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:5637803
LOL RYOAKI!



"This show grabbed Miiol while she was dressed in Visual Kai and ripped the shit out of her. They implied her accent was because she loved the Japanese so much, where really it's because she's hearing impaired."

Not only is this one of the most offensive things ive read in about a week but it speaks wonders for the BBC's attention to detail on recognising disabilities.

this should essentially tell us all we need to know about this show.


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:0137804
Wow when did they do that?

And well I've seen alot of shows and I did see the cybergoth one, I think the thing with it is if you can take it with a pinch of salt and have the abilty to make light of the situation then it would be fun. Thats why the cybergoth guy was really good, he could laugh at himself and not take it too seriously.

Its not a serious programme, they take the piss out of everyone! If you're confident and comfortable then it would'nt affect you, its about having the abilty to laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously. I really like that about the show, it takes the mick out of everyone but the people on it can laugh at it too.

You're never laughing at the people on it, you're laughing with them ^_^ I like that.


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:0737805
Neverbel you wanted to see bad press, look at this:

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/forum?&c=showthread&ThreadID=2845

Also ask anyone about the FFXII launch a couple of years ago.


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:0737806
Quote .neverbell:

Its not a serious programme, they take the piss out of everyone! If you're confident and comfortable then it would'nt affect you, its about having the abilty to laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously. I really like that about the show, it takes the mick out of everyone but the people on it can laugh at it too.

You're never laughing at the people on it, you're laughing with them ^_^ I like that.


If I were to go on a TV show, I wouldn't want people to laugh, either at me or with me. Why does it take the mick in the first place? What do they achieve :/
I don't take myself seriously, and I'm comfortable in cosplay especially, but it just seems like a lot of upper-class BBC Execs going 'Wow, they're wierd, lets show them to the world and laugh at thier expense!'

Silly programming lol


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:0737807
Quote Ice-climber:
LOL Ryaoki.

Quote .neverbell:
where is all this bad press? maybe I dont understand because I havent seen it...I was in a bbc news clip in cosplay and they wern't bad to me?


Anyone got that link to that article about last year's Aya that was published recently? There is a nice piece of bad press. Also there was that shameful Doctors episode (strangely on the day before Expo).

We really need a forum search around here...


We do, it's under your your user name like this:

Welcome KhaosKreator.
Last visit: 03 Aug 2010 - 14:06
Private messages: 0 of 115 total.
Search Forum

Anyway, the article is here:

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=2845


[Edit- damn! tooo late!]
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03 Aug 2010 - 13:1537809
Quote KhaosKreator:
Quote Ice-climber:
LOL Ryaoki.

Quote .neverbell:
where is all this bad press? maybe I dont understand because I havent seen it...I was in a bbc news clip in cosplay and they wern't bad to me?


Anyone got that link to that article about last year's Aya that was published recently? There is a nice piece of bad press. Also there was that shameful Doctors episode (strangely on the day before Expo).

We really need a forum search around here...


We do, it's under your your user name like this:

Welcome KhaosKreator.
Last visit: 03 Aug 2010 - 14:06
Private messages: 0 of 115 total.
Search Forum

Anyway, the article is here:

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=2845


[Edit- damn! tooo late!]
-Tab



cosplay was in the telegraph recently and they didnt say anything bad about it? =S maybe theyre changing/beginning to understand or maybe it was just the reporter before who was biased?

but whoever you are of whatever you like somebody somewhere will always have a problem with you its just the way things are =/ i dont think it will ever really change

tbh my main beef was that I love 'snog marry avoid' and have wanted to go on it for yearssss XD I wouldn't care how they represented me as long as I was true to myself and couldnt give a hoot what anyone thinks of me, especially not POD lol XD


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:2737810
Quote Fables:
Quote .neverbell:

Its not a serious programme, they take the piss out of everyone! If you're confident and comfortable then it would'nt affect you, its about having the abilty to laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously. I really like that about the show, it takes the mick out of everyone but the people on it can laugh at it too.

You're never laughing at the people on it, you're laughing with them ^_^ I like that.


If I were to go on a TV show, I wouldn't want people to laugh, either at me or with me. Why does it take the mick in the first place? What do they achieve :/
I don't take myself seriously, and I'm comfortable in cosplay especially, but it just seems like a lot of upper-class BBC Execs going 'Wow, they're wierd, lets show them to the world and laugh at thier expense!'

Silly programming lol


I think it's less the BBC and more a production company. They have this cheap 'style' show commissioned but I don't think much control is exercised over the content. However, the production company do seem to have that kind of reasoning.


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:2937811
@neverbell

it was more the reporter, who likes to bash "non-normals".

if you research her a bit, not many people like her, as she presents herself as this lovely nice person, then abuses the trust you put in her by fabricating and twisting the story.


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Last edited by xaerael (03 Aug 2010 - 13:30)
03 Aug 2010 - 13:3337812
Endemol UK, which produces Snog Mary Avoid, also produces Big Brother and Deal or No Deal.

'Nuff said.



Last edited by Pez (03 Aug 2010 - 13:34)
03 Aug 2010 - 13:3737813
Quote Pez:
Endemol UK, which produces Snog Mary Avoid, also produces Big Brother and Deal or No Deal.

'Nuff said.


So true.


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03 Aug 2010 - 13:3737814
Quote .neverbell:
cosplay was in the telegraph recently and they didnt say anything bad about it? =S


Hmmm, I think you probably need to read it again. There was a lot of thinly-veiled insults and stereotyping in that Telegraph article.


03 Aug 2010 - 14:1737816
I just got that exact same message over facebook and i have to say that i was pretty offended by it. I personally have never seen the show and my sister explained it to me that basically all they wanted to do was put me on there so they could take the p*** out of me.

Love your reply to it though ^_^ I have yet to think of something coherent as i'm still pretty annoyed by the whole thing.


03 Aug 2010 - 14:2237817
its hard work knowing that were so famous and everyone wants us on tv nowadays (fans self off) we just cant seem to keep up with our fans


03 Aug 2010 - 14:3037818
Er, no. Unlike those sl*gs on that show, we actually take our costumes and slap off.


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03 Aug 2010 - 15:0037821
Ive watched the show loads of times when theres nothing else on. It is pure trash tv. Yeah its all said in jest and theyre teasing but there is a strong undercurrent of nastiness. These people who go on and stand up for who they are are strong confident people but they do end up looking like absolute fools. Things they say are twisted and theyre made to look ignorant. Its the whole xfactor culture. Entertainment nowadays is to ridicule and put down those who are different to themselves. Cosplay is a hobby anyway and this show showcases lifestyles. The goths, chavs etc live and breathe these styles. We just take moments out of our day to day lives. Ive worked for endemol plenty of times and they are a very two faced company. They will be sweet and nice to your face but theyll destroy you in the name of entertainment. I think a cosplayer going on this show knowing what they know about how cosplaying will be put down and how the majority of cosplayers watching will be upset by it would be a very selfish person indeed. We get enough bullying from people that dont understand. Do we really need to go on this show and almost give people permission to carry on doing it? The media attention on us cosplayers is very mixed at the moment. We need to do all we can to boost the positive and stop our negative feedback. After all were not hurting anyone its just fun so why should we be made out to be idiots! Hopefully they wont find a newbie or an experienced cosplayer whos dying for their five minutes of fame no matter what the cost will be to others.


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03 Aug 2010 - 15:0437822
All the show would do, is take a person in Cosplay, make it look like they dress like that all the time, then put them in normal clothes.

I am confused as to why people are even arguing for or against the show. Its not about doing anything OTHER than making the wierdies look normal, and then being all "You look well better not dressed as a retard"

I have watched the show. Its rubbish. Its about making the people watching feel better about themselves, and making the people on the show feel rubbish, so that they then dress how their told to.


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03 Aug 2010 - 15:0637823
Quote Pez:
I'm drafting a reply to the message. How does this sound?

Hi David,

Thanks for the message, but I'm afraid I'm not interested. I am aware that your show is primarily about the mockery sort of entertainment, with the voice-over making a lot of jokes about the subject, and I'm not prepared to go through that. A friend who happens to also be a cosplayer has already been through this soul-destroying and offensive treatment on the very same show a few years ago. I'm also wary of how cosplayers might be portrayed in the show.

Can I take this opportunity to raise a few points about cosplaying? It's a highly creative hobby and cosplayers only dress up at events such as MCM Expo, conventions, or privately-organised meets. We don't dress up all the time and therefore the idea of a "makeunder" just doesn't seem to fit.

The cosplay scene is rapidly growing in the UK. The next big convention which takes place in August has over 1200 attendees and many of them will be in cosplay. Cosplay as a hobby was also covered briefly (and wonderfully) by BBC's E24 in June: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e17bxv1rk3I. However, it's still not widely understood by the general public and for one of us to stand and be ridiculed by a voice-over is not going to help matters. On top of that, some cosplayers are very young, and because of their alternative interests and personal issues, are subject to bullying. As such, I think I speak for the cosplaying community in saying that we'd only like a fair, positive portrayal of our hobby.

There are many of us who are prepared to talk about the subject, and if Endemol ever wants to make a programme about cosplay, we'd be happy to help, and maybe help you gain access to events too.

Regards,
Pez



.....good? Bad?


Sounds good to me.


03 Aug 2010 - 15:0637824
Quote ryukredapples:
"This show grabbed Miiol while she was dressed in Visual Kai and ripped the shit out of her. They implied her accent was because she loved the Japanese so much, where really it's because she's hearing impaired."

Not only is this one of the most offensive things ive read in about a week but it speaks wonders for the BBC's attention to detail on recognising disabilities.

this should essentially tell us all we need to know about this show.
Lmao oh dear! When I was interviewed to be on TV, they stopped me in the street on the way to a visual kei/jrock night club at about 11 at night or something and me and my friend were absolutely pissed when we signed everything.

The tv show was going to be about youth culture/street fashion, something which I'm interested in and when I was being asked questions by Pod (Who was a man) the questions and my replies are very different to what actually appeared on the show. Notice I never say if people would "snog, marry or avoid" me as that wasn't part of the show I was interviewed for! I didn't hear anything more from it for a year... until I got a million texts off my friends saying I was on that program! XD

Also, they asked me to turn up in cosplay and were disappointed when I said people don't actually wear that kind of thing every day...

It's like this Simpsons episode when Homer's being interviewed and you can see how they cut it up XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nee2L5090YQ&feature=related with the clock in the background! Also they do ask you to say certain things such as one of the camera guys said he thought I looked Japanese and asked me to repeat it. They also chop up the dialogue so I was saying about how I was deaf/lived in different countries and they cut this out as it wouldn't make the point they wanted to make!

I have since received an apology from BBC Three for them giving out false information!

Quote Amy-Lou:
Quote Shenny:
I don't know how much I should say about this but miiol has had a very very negative personal experience with this program a few years ago.


I'm hoping she'll post about it herself, but indeed surviving the show isn't the biggest problem, it's the people who watch it and *will* find you online to have their turn putting the boot in. No one should have to put up with that.

CI gets contacted for this sort of thing, but we genuinely worry about you guys being put at risk.

As to the risk, I will say you will have to be prepared for death threats, constant harrassment... pretty much imagine the worst and you will get it cos there are some sad crazy people out there! My friends who were also on the show received some horrible things said to them, such as a girl who is terminally ill was told she should hurry up and die.

When I was getting all the death threats/being told I looked like I had downs, was wapanese etc constantly through LJ/myspace/msn and so on it was prior being properly diagnosed so I probably over-reacted and took it a lot worse than I should have, so that's my fault!

Some of my friends on it really had a laugh though, so it is obviously up to you! But people do hang on to things like that for a long time!

I hope that helped, I don't like talking about it but I do LOVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT! lol! xx


03 Aug 2010 - 15:0737825
When I first saw it advertised I thought it said Snog Marry Avid the guy from Bo'Selecta and I still said no XD


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03 Aug 2010 - 15:1437828
Quote miiol:
they stopped me in the street on the way to a visual kei/jrock night club at about 11 at night or something and me and my friend were absolutely pissed when we signed everything.


Quote miiol:
The tv show was going to be about youth culture/street fashion, something which I'm interested in and when I was being asked questions by Pod (Who was a man) the questions and my replies are very different to what actually appeared on the show. Notice I never say if people would "snog, marry or avoid" me as that wasn't part of the show I was interviewed for!


Quote miiol:
Also, they asked me to turn up in cosplay and were disappointed when I said people don't actually wear that kind of thing every day...


Quote miiol:
they do ask you to say certain things such as one of the camera guys said he thought I looked Japanese and asked me to repeat it. They also chop up the dialogue so I was saying about how I was deaf/lived in different countries and they cut this out as it wouldn't make the point they wanted to make!


So they scout for people who aren't in their best state to read what they're signing, mislead people about what they're in for, don't do their research, make people say things without explaining what it's for, then cut and paste bits together until they get the show they want.

This is disgusting.


03 Aug 2010 - 15:4037835
Oh God, I was with miiol when they grabbed us.

They didn't say anything about 'Snog Marry Avoid', it was just 'a show about street fashion'.
I don't know why they wanted to speak to me either, I was wearing a McFly t-shirt at the time LOL.

I mean it's up to the person if they want to do this, but considering the crappy experience I've witnessed er... I wouldn't be too keen.


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03 Aug 2010 - 15:4237836
Quote Shazz:
Oh God, I was with miiol when they grabbed us.

They didn't say anything about 'Snog Marry Avoid', it was just 'a show about street fashion'.
I don't know why they wanted to speak to me either, I was wearing a McFly t-shirt at the time LOL.

I mean it's up to the person if they want to do this, but considering the crappy experience I've witnessed er... I wouldn't be too keen.

Yes! I spent most of the interview talking to pod who was a GUY about backstreet boys, blinging up a limo, loving kids cartoons, not caring if people dress up "weird" or look good "natural" and all that wasn't it in too!

I do want to add I'm not excusing myself, it was my fault to sign it and go on the show and present myself the way I did and I'm not denying that! Just to make sure people know what they're in for!


03 Aug 2010 - 16:2737839
Quote miiol:
Quote Shazz:
Oh God, I was with miiol when they grabbed us.

They didn't say anything about 'Snog Marry Avoid', it was just 'a show about street fashion'.
I don't know why they wanted to speak to me either, I was wearing a McFly t-shirt at the time LOL.

I mean it's up to the person if they want to do this, but considering the crappy experience I've witnessed er... I wouldn't be too keen.

Yes! I spent most of the interview talking to pod who was a GUY about backstreet boys, blinging up a limo, loving kids cartoons, not caring if people dress up "weird" or look good "natural" and all that wasn't it in too!

I do want to add I'm not excusing myself, it was my fault to sign it and go on the show and present myself the way I did and I'm not denying that! Just to make sure people know what they're in for!


Sheep called Nick Carter If only they'd left that in...

Yeah at least now you can tell other people what sort of thing to expect from this.


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03 Aug 2010 - 17:2137851
Quote Pez:
Quote .neverbell:
cosplay was in the telegraph recently and they didnt say anything bad about it? =S


Hmmm, I think you probably need to read it again. There was a lot of thinly-veiled insults and stereotyping in that Telegraph article.


Oh sorry I didnt say the artice you meant, I meant a different article about 2 days ago, in the telegraph also, that one didnt say anthing bad.


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