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03 Aug 2010 - 10:1237763
BBC Three looking for cosplayers
So, I just got received this message via Facebook:

David says, "Hi,

My name is David. I am the researcher for this coming series of BBC Three’s Snog Marry Avoid. I noticed you whilst bouncing about on facebook! I am interested in trying to put forward some cosplayers to potentially be on the show.

I hope you don’t mind me contacting you but as you know our show loves to feature people have a head turning style and a look that stands out. I’m scouting for people to take part in this years series and I was wondering if you’d like to be considered.

I think you have a look that is perfect for the show and if you think you can stand up to POD I’d love to hear from you. If you’re unfamiliar with the show it’s all over youtube and on the Iplayer.


This is followed by his full name, phone number and email address which is a @endemoluk.com address. Seeing that Endemol does make some BBC shows I'm assuming this is genuine.

Here's what I personally think: it's not a good idea at all for cosplayers to be on a show like that, seeing as it's a show that's about "makeunder" - usually when people are severely overdressed or dressed "hideously" in their opinion, and need to be transformed into a more "normal" look. Sure, there is a chance that we might be able to change people's opinion, but how much does the subject of the show get to control the direction of it, really?

I wonder if other people might also have received a similar message, and want to discuss how BBC Three might portray cosplayers and if this sort of show is the right venue for us. It's okay if you disagree with me; the discussion is important!

Here's the current series of the show on iPlayer.

Here's the Wikipedia page on the show.

So. Your thoughts?


03 Aug 2010 - 10:2037764
The only times I've seen that show, they've put down the people they're interviewing. In the street interviews it's all about mocking them in the voice over, so the person being interviewed wouldn't know until the show was aired, very underhanded.

Edit: It would be a safe bet they'd insinuate you wear full costume every day, to work/school etc.



Last edited by Amy-Lou (03 Aug 2010 - 10:27)
03 Aug 2010 - 10:2137765
I agree. Its not exactly the most flattering of emails to receive.

Considering the show focuses on "head turning style" and turns it into mainstream, "socially acceptable" nonsence. I dont think its a good idea..

It could get some exposure for UK cosplayers in general but I am not sure that it will be positive exposure.

I remember a brief mention on one of the series about a girl who lives by the manga/anime style and she was just ripped to pieces for how she looked. Thankfully it wasnt a full feature and was just one of those filler things. She looked awesome!! But because it was "too different" it was frowned upon by the "Pod" :/


03 Aug 2010 - 10:2837766
Agree with the ladies above~ They will just rip the Cosplay scene apart, Their goal isn't to promote unique social lives but to poke fun at them and gain more viewers.

Very frustrating and sad :c


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03 Aug 2010 - 10:2837767
Yeah, I wasn't totally flattered when I got the message... to be honest I never watched an episode of it from start to finish, it's only when I channel-surf and if it's on I watch a few minutes until I turn away in mild horror. So I'm not sure if it's just me and my limited exposure to it, and maybe the current episodes are fairer. (I'm at work right now and don't want to watch on iplayer.)

And yes, it's the voice-over that is the most worrying. Plus whatever the subject says that might be in their defense/useful might get cut out during editing. There's a high chance they would film it knowing exactly what end result they want to achieve anyway.

I'm also confused about looking for cosplayers - do they think that we dress like anime/game/etc characters everyday, and don't have any other clothes?

(......I'm also trying not to feel offended that they think I might need a makeunder. I'll keep telling myself that they're just looking for different things for the show and it's not personal. It's not personal... ARGH.)


03 Aug 2010 - 10:3937768
AVOID.

This show grabbed Miiol while she was dressed in Visual Kai and ripped the shit out of her. They implied her accent was because she loved the Japanese so much, where really it's because she's hearing impaired.

If I could I'd stop every cosplayer from attending this show, but I know they're going to grab a new kid that doesn't know any better and use them for a few laughs.

The temptation to go myself and turn up wearing my normal clothes (jeans and a t-shirt) and being like "sup." is immense.

Cosplayers need to learn that the media hates us so the shiny coins of fame that are offered are just traps to make us look bad.

-Tab


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03 Aug 2010 - 10:3937769
I don't know how much I should say about this but miiol has had a very very negative personal experience with this program a few years ago.

I also worked as a runner for the show while at University and I do not rate this as a stunningly well made show. My advice is to keep away from it.


03 Aug 2010 - 10:5137770
I'm drafting a reply to the message. How does this sound?

Hi David,

Thanks for the message, but I'm afraid I'm not interested. I am aware that your show is primarily about the mockery sort of entertainment, with the voice-over making a lot of jokes about the subject, and I'm not prepared to go through that. A friend who happens to also be a cosplayer has already been through this soul-destroying and offensive treatment on the very same show a few years ago. I'm also wary of how cosplayers might be portrayed in the show.

Can I take this opportunity to raise a few points about cosplaying? It's a highly creative hobby and cosplayers only dress up at events such as MCM Expo, conventions, or privately-organised meets. We don't dress up all the time and therefore the idea of a "makeunder" just doesn't seem to fit.

The cosplay scene is rapidly growing in the UK. The next big convention which takes place in August has over 1200 attendees and many of them will be in cosplay. Cosplay as a hobby was also covered briefly (and wonderfully) by BBC's E24 in June: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e17bxv1rk3I. However, it's still not widely understood by the general public and for one of us to stand and be ridiculed by a voice-over is not going to help matters. On top of that, some cosplayers are very young, and because of their alternative interests and personal issues, are subject to bullying. As such, I think I speak for the cosplaying community in saying that we'd only like a fair, positive portrayal of our hobby.

There are many of us who are prepared to talk about the subject, and if Endemol ever wants to make a programme about cosplay, we'd be happy to help, and maybe help you gain access to events too.

Regards,
Pez



.....good? Bad?



Last edited by Pez (03 Aug 2010 - 11:16)
03 Aug 2010 - 10:5337771
Pretty much agree with the mass here.

I caught a glimpse of the show once myself, and it was basically an excuse to lay into anyone who stands out in the crowd.
Sure, some of them may need a make-under, but the fact they seem to be seeking out cosplayers is definately a worry, its more likely then not that they would try and convey that you, or anyone else in our clique, cosplays 24/7.

Especially annoying, as it was only a month or so ago that we had that relativly positive piece on the BBC, but thats probably made shows like this try and seek us out.


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03 Aug 2010 - 10:5437772
Quote Shenny:
I don't know how much I should say about this but miiol has had a very very negative personal experience with this program a few years ago.


I'm hoping she'll post about it herself, but indeed surviving the show isn't the biggest problem, it's the people who watch it and *will* find you online to have their turn putting the boot in. No one should have to put up with that.

CI gets contacted for this sort of thing, but we genuinely worry about you guys being put at risk.


03 Aug 2010 - 10:5937774
Quote Pez:
I'm drafting a reply to the message. How does this sound?

Hi David,

Thanks for the message, but I'm afraid I'm not interested. I am aware that your show is primarily about the mockery sort of entertainment, with the voice-over making a lot of jokes about the subject, and I'm not prepared to go through that. A friend who happens to also be a cosplayer has already been through this soul-destroying treatment on this show a few years ago. I'm also wary of how cosplayers might be portrayed in the show.

Can I take this opportunity to raise a few points about cosplaying? It's a highly creative hobby and cosplayers only dress up at events such as MCM Expo, conventions, or privately-organised meets. We don't dress up all the time and therefore the idea of a "makeunder" just doesn't seem to fit.

The cosplay scene is rapidly growing in the UK. The next big convention which takes place in August has over 1200 attendees and many of them will be in cosplay. Cosplay as a hobby was also covered briefly (and wonderfully) by BBC's E24 in June: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e17bxv1rk3I. However, it's still not widely understood by the general public and for one of us to stand and be ridiculed by a voice-over is not going to help matters. On top of that, some cosplayers are very young, and because of their alternative interests and personal issues, are subject to bullying. As such, I think I speak for the cosplaying community in saying that we'd only like a fair, positive portrayal of our hobby.

There are many of us who are prepared to talk about the subject, and if Endemol ever wants to make a programme about cosplay, we'd be happy to help, and maybe help you gain access to events too.

Regards,
Pez



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Hit the nail on the head hun. Dont think you need to say more than that


03 Aug 2010 - 11:1637775
Yeah thats a great email back ! , I got interviewed by gamespot they were really nice and cool but i do agree on how some interviews make you look funny and think its good to mock cosplayers ! >=( id rip his/her spine out if they ever mocked me or anyone infront of me !!!

cosplayers are legendary not tools... !


03 Aug 2010 - 11:2237777
E-mail sounds fine to me, go for it and see what they say.


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:0437783
Definite yes on the message.

That is about humiliation mostly. While some people on it look horrible and tend to wear really stupid stuff with the wrong kind of make-up and loads of fake tan, it shouldn't be looking at cosplay as a target. Also I think that producer fails to understand that costumes are not our everyday attire.


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:0937784
Noooo I love snog marry avoid! Theres been quite a few makeunders on it but you can go on the show and actually keep your own style till the end.

You can just talk to them say I like who I am and go away. I'd totally wanna do it!

They just like putting people with strange fashion on there, sure they do say some slightly harsh things but its all in a joking way. I reckon a confident enough person could pull it off, there was an elf girl on it and she kept her own style and was happy.

We have to understand we as cosplayers are a subculture, but that doesnt make it a bad thing! If we're proud of what we do and who we are does it really matter if everyone else thinks its a bit weird? Not to me!


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:1837786
I'm with Tab on this one AVOID! it seems like a misplaced request considering we arent in cosplay ALL the time XD its a hobby! you wouldnt get an Ice skater on there and laugh at him for wearing pads and a jersy. Sounds like a whole heap of bad JuJu to me.

PEZ: I am finnaly glad someone has got the testicular fortitude to finnaly say something


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:2437788
Quote .neverbell:
Noooo I love snog marry avoid! Theres been quite a few makeunders on it but you can go on the show and actually keep your own style till the end.

You can just talk to them say I like who I am and go away. I'd totally wanna do it!

They just like putting people with strange fashion on there, sure they do say some slightly harsh things but its all in a joking way. I reckon a confident enough person could pull it off, there was an elf girl on it and she kept her own style and was happy.

We have to understand we as cosplayers are a subculture, but that doesnt make it a bad thing! If we're proud of what we do and who we are does it really matter if everyone else thinks its a bit weird? Not to me!


Yeah, but, were not in cosplay all the time, so it doesnt even make sense. All they'd be doing, is taking us out of cosplay, and putting us in our normal clothes. Im pretty sure we are quite capable of doing that ourselves. there would actually be no point.

Cosplay already has a bad enough rep as it is, without it being paraded on a tv show meant to un-skank chavs.


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:2737789
Quote Chikinpoo:
a tv show meant to un-skank chavs.


*sporfle*

Okay I'm going to reply to the guy, and if I ever hear more from him I'll definitely let you all know!


03 Aug 2010 - 12:3037792
One point I've just realized- If we appear in cosplay on this show as [xxxxx] character, do they not realise that giving us a 'make-under' will make us no longer look like [xxxxx] character and therefore make it an inaccurate cosplay? Or not even cosplay at all?

We don't wear cosplay all the time, y'know XD Why does the media think we do!?

Also, just to say in regards to this:
Quote Pez:

...and it's not personal. It's not personal... ARGH.)


It's not just you, as far as I'm aware they've also asked our friend Jeff (JeffKamikiJurai ~ hope I spelled that right!)


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:3637795
yeah but thats my point, they'd just be taking you out of cosplay and putting you in normal clothes and maybe doing your hair...

I dont see how thats any different from what we do normally, so its not really insulting at all?

also you can refuse the makeunder...

where is all this bad press? maybe I dont understand because I havent seen it...I was in a bbc news clip in cosplay and they wern't bad to me?


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:4237796
Quote .neverbell:
yeah but thats my point, they'd just be taking you out of cosplay and putting you in normal clothes and maybe doing your hair...

I dont see how thats any different from what we do normally, so its not really insulting at all?

also you can refuse the makeunder...

where is all this bad press? maybe I dont understand because I havent seen it...I was in a bbc news clip in cosplay and they wern't bad to me?


But we don't need that exposure, because we know what it is we do? They would most likely be expecting it to turn out a certain way like Pez said, and can easily edit out any 'innocent' or defensive comments.
If they came up to me and could prove that they had taken a really good, informed look at what cosplay is, and what it means to all of us, then I'd be less sceptical, but it sounds like they have no clue.
Refusing it is fine, but the voice over still has a chance to dig at you. Plus, if we refuse, we may be seen as negative and cowardly, etcetc... somethnig we're not!

Plus, you don't know how the public watching will react, and they may approach websites like this with outright intent of mocking us.

The only cosplayers who I can see wanting to be on this show are those who are either arrogant, big headed, or attention seekers. (Or weeaboos XD)


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:4437797
Quote Fables:
Quote .neverbell:
yeah but thats my point, they'd just be taking you out of cosplay and putting you in normal clothes and maybe doing your hair...

I dont see how thats any different from what we do normally, so its not really insulting at all?

also you can refuse the makeunder...

where is all this bad press? maybe I dont understand because I havent seen it...I was in a bbc news clip in cosplay and they wern't bad to me?


But we don't need that? They would most likely be expecting it to turn out a certain way like Pez said, and can easily edit out any 'innocent' or defensive comments.
If they came up to me and could prove that they had taken a really good, informed look at what cosplay is, and what it means to all of us, then I'd be less sceptical, but it sounds like they have no clue.

Plus, you don't know how the public watching will react, and they may approach websites like this with outright intent of mocking us.

The only cosplayers who I can see wanting to be on this show are those who are either arrogant, big headed, or attention seekers.


I actually watch the show alot and tbh I've never seen it be that harsh to anyone.

I mean I'd do it but thats because I'm a MASSIVE fan of the show (actually my dad too we sometimes watch it together).

I understand the cautiousness, but I'm pretty sure its not that evil lol I think some people are overreacting a teenie bit.


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03 Aug 2010 - 12:4637798
Quote Pez:
Quote Chikinpoo:
a tv show meant to un-skank chavs.


*sporfle*

Okay I'm going to reply to the guy, and if I ever hear more from him I'll definitely let you all know!


This should be interesting haha! =D


03 Aug 2010 - 12:5037799
OH NOES 4CHAN GOT A SERIES NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



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03 Aug 2010 - 12:5337800
LOL Ryaoki.

Quote .neverbell:
where is all this bad press? maybe I dont understand because I havent seen it...I was in a bbc news clip in cosplay and they wern't bad to me?


Anyone got that link to that article about last year's Aya that was published recently? There is a nice piece of bad press. Also there was that shameful Doctors episode (strangely on the day before Expo).

We really need a forum search around here...


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