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21 Jun 2010 - 15:4734859
is cosplay competitive
who thinks cosplay can be competitive

cosplayers seriously competing with on another over who as the best costumes, even to the point where people can be bullied.

since when as cosplay gone from just being creative, dressing up and having fun too who is the best.

some people who i have spoken to agree and disagree with this theory

what do you think?


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21 Jun 2010 - 16:2134863
Competition is not bad in and of itself - healthy competition makes people strive for goals and helps celebrate success. And some people need the competitive element for additional motivation.

It's only a state of mind. Everything can be competitive - playing console games, writing fiction, singing, hair & makeup... it's only as competitive as you make it. It's just human nature, some people like to compete, some would rather not. As long as the non-competitors don't give a "holier-than-thou" attitude (I haven't seen any here yet), then all's good.

Sure, there are now more cosplay competitions, but at the end of the day nobody is forcing anyone to enter, and not entering doesn't make someone's cosplay "not as good" as someone who does compete. And some people who do not actually enter competitions might still compete on a personal level, and that's not necessarily a bad thing if that helps them improve their work. If they have to resort to personal attacks and such, then they must either have a confidence problem or have something missing in their lives.

I know someone would not let their friends cosplay characters they've already done because they didn't want to be compared with their friends by others. That's the other extreme of non-competition that eventually leads to claiming characters which causes a lot of upset. So, when taken to the extreme, anti-competition can be bad too.


21 Jun 2010 - 16:4234869
i understand being competitive can be a good thing.
my biggest competitor is myself, helps me produce good work.

but as you said when people clam characters.
i was told by a friend that she saw,
a nervous kids at their first convention brought to their knees in tears after being bullied by someone because they both had the same costume, but his was better built costume
I.E coz the bully had more money

its wrong, no diffrent then a high school bully


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21 Jun 2010 - 16:4934872
That's terrible. I hope the incident doesn't put the kid off cosplaying. I do believe that this sort of thing can happen anywhere, not just in cosplay, but that doesn't make it right, of course. If I'd been there I'd probably have gone to talk to the bully and lol in their face for feeling the need to bully a newbie, and then tell everybody I meet at the convention about them as well. And also introduce the newbie kid to the nice, kind cosplayers I know.

But that's just me.



Last edited by Pez (21 Jun 2010 - 16:50)
21 Jun 2010 - 19:1834880
I've decided to input, as a person who always feels anxious when someone else is doing the same cosplay on the same day.

Having sisters, you're always compared to each other, and being the youngest I feel I have to live up to what my older sisters have done.

Hence why my anxiety to when someone is in the same cosplay. I don't want people to go "oh, that's one is shite compared to that one" etc after having years of suffering that with my two sisters, and how I'm expected to be the same or better.

I doesn't help that I'm my own worse enemy. I can ignore any inperfections in my own work if I don't compare it, so when someone has a better version than what I've done I immediately feel that I should just go burn the "disaster" that I created.

However, I've never brought down someones cosplay. I don't see the need. I more see cosplays as different (I stopped panicking about the other Cosmos cosplayer as she had a different dress design).

I don't really consider that competition though, I see it more as comparitive and criticism - and somewhat unnecessary as well.

But I am afraid of it happening...


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21 Jun 2010 - 19:3834882
I wouldn't know much about this... I've never cosplayed before.
But I've never ever seen any cosplay bullying. I've seen cosplay catch. But not bullying...

I guess if what the person says is really mean, or was not nice to any of my friends, if they ever cosplay, I would say something like: "Yeah, but I bet that <insert character here> isn't supposed to be that ugly!!" and then run away very fast...
I doubt it though.

If a person is overly competitive, ignore 'em.
The very best way to do it!

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21 Jun 2010 - 20:1334885
I know when I start making a cosplay I'll look at other renditions I can find online and pick and choose if I like the way something has been done I will try and re-create that, and I always try to be better than everything I see. I can also be highly critical of someone doing the same cosplay to me, not to them, but I will discuss with friends what I do and don't like about what they've done and why I prefer what I may or may not have done.

I'm also very critical during competitions. For example in expo line ups, I do look every costume up and down and judge them as to whether I think they're competition at all or what about their costume makes it wow worthy. Because if I enter a competition, I enter to win.

I know there are some that will disagree with this mentality and will insist that 'it's the taking part that counts' and that 'cosplay is about fun not competition'. To which my response is, I have my fun while wondering round, people take pictures and I have a laugh with my friends, when I enter a competition it is the nature of a competition to compete to win there is no other goal.

I don't however try to enforce this mentality on anyone else competing, to do so would make the whole thing elitest. If there are those who just enjoy being on stage and that is what makes them happy then they are perfectly entitled to do just that. Just as, I think, I am allowed to enjoy competing.

I know I'll see new or young cosplayers and I'll mentally think that what they're wearing isn't very good and that can be put to experience. But I don't think it's right to start verbally abusing someone about such things.


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21 Jun 2010 - 20:1934890
Quote street-angel:
I know when I start making a cosplay I'll look at other renditions I can find online and pick and choose if I like the way something has been done I will try and re-create that, and I always try to be better than everything I see. I can also be highly critical of someone doing the same cosplay to me, not to them, but I will discuss with friends what I do and don't like about what they've done and why I prefer what I may or may not have done.

I'm also very critical during competitions. For example in expo line ups, I do look every costume up and down and judge them as to whether I think they're competition at all or what about their costume makes it wow worthy. Because if I enter a competition, I enter to win.

I know there are some that will disagree with this mentality and will insist that 'it's the taking part that counts' and that 'cosplay is about fun not competition'. To which my response is, I have my fun while wondering round, people take pictures and I have a laugh with my friends, when I enter a competition it is the nature of a competition to compete to win there is no other goal.

I don't however try to enforce this mentality on anyone else competing, to do so would make the whole thing elitest. If there are those who just enjoy being on stage and that is what makes them happy then they are perfectly entitled to do just that. Just as, I think, I am allowed to enjoy competing.

I know I'll see new or young cosplayers and I'll mentally think that what they're wearing isn't very good and that can be put to experience. But I don't think it's right to start verbally abusing someone about such things.


Your competitive when it come to entering a competition, which I'm agreeing is normal. TBH I agree with that mind frame, if I'm in a competiton I'll become competitive and size up the competition. It's normal really lolz, otherwise you wouldn't of entered the competition in my opinion. Unless you didn't think you would win and just entering for the sake of it, or cause you want to do a skit.


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21 Jun 2010 - 20:4734893
Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote street-angel:
I know when I start making a cosplay I'll look at other renditions I can find online and pick and choose if I like the way something has been done I will try and re-create that, and I always try to be better than everything I see. I can also be highly critical of someone doing the same cosplay to me, not to them, but I will discuss with friends what I do and don't like about what they've done and why I prefer what I may or may not have done.

I'm also very critical during competitions. For example in expo line ups, I do look every costume up and down and judge them as to whether I think they're competition at all or what about their costume makes it wow worthy. Because if I enter a competition, I enter to win.

I know there are some that will disagree with this mentality and will insist that 'it's the taking part that counts' and that 'cosplay is about fun not competition'. To which my response is, I have my fun while wondering round, people take pictures and I have a laugh with my friends, when I enter a competition it is the nature of a competition to compete to win there is no other goal.

I don't however try to enforce this mentality on anyone else competing, to do so would make the whole thing elitest. If there are those who just enjoy being on stage and that is what makes them happy then they are perfectly entitled to do just that. Just as, I think, I am allowed to enjoy competing.

I know I'll see new or young cosplayers and I'll mentally think that what they're wearing isn't very good and that can be put to experience. But I don't think it's right to start verbally abusing someone about such things.


Your competitive when it come to entering a competition, which I'm agreeing is normal. TBH I agree with that mind frame, if I'm in a competiton I'll become competitive and size up the competition. It's normal really lolz, otherwise you wouldn't of entered the competition in my opinion. Unless you didn't think you would win and just entering for the sake of it, or cause you want to do a skit.


If I don't think I have a chance at winning then I don't think that I've tried my best so I wouldn't want to enter if it's not up to par. Like I got places in both theh Saturday and Sunday May Expo masquerades and put my all into the Blazblue entries I did with NavigatorxNami on Saturday and I felt there was nothing in my gallery that was as good as that, so I didn't want to showcase anything less than my best so I dropped out on Sunday.


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21 Jun 2010 - 21:2134900
That sounds awful! Glad I've never seen anything like it before!

If you wanna be competitive in a fun way, cool! But in the end it's about having fun! If someone wants to come at me with their harsh comments..PFFT whatever xD take your negativity FAR away from me where I can't hear it & lemme enjoy my day! I've got no time for that stuff!


21 Jun 2010 - 22:1534910
I don't see a problem with a bit of friendly competition. It's when they get 'too' competitive to the point of losing out of all the fun which gets me. I can see myself joining a masquerade in the future for fun, not because of the 'better that you' thing.

It does anger me when I hear people saying about random cosplayers that they can construct a better cosplay than the person wearing it. For example, when I went to Kita 10 I heard a random girl say 'I can do a better <insert character here> cosplay that that' about one of my friends. I dont think my friend heard it as I saw no reaction (I was lagging a little behind) but I would have given her an evil glare if I wasnt moving as that was just sounded rude at the time(usually I am quite shy and considerate but thats pretty unforgivable).

I look at other cosplayers to see what are the normal standards for construction and try to be at least average. Instead of thinking to myself 'I can do better' it is more 'that would be better if...' but I tend to keep the thoughts to myself as I am terrified of upsetting people. Personally I am not the best cosplayer, and I have strong understanding that we all need to start somewhere, but the skills of cosplayers develop and grow over time.

I say really it depends on the cosplayer. Some might see competitions as a confidance boost, a way to prove themselves, some are super super talented and there are other cosplayers that cosplay for the more social and emotional side. I am more competitive with myself than anyone else. I want to better my skills and if I feel I messed up, I remain optimistic that someone else will be happy to see this particular character.


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21 Jun 2010 - 23:1534914
I have a private joke about competition, like noting someone in a massive complicated cosplay and saying they're way out of my league and then seeing someone who's cosplay is falling apart and laughing myself of as 'not that bad', but I only say it to myself. And its just a joke.
I hate it when people make it obvious and practically shout "My costume is better than yours!".

Competition is gonna happen, it's human nature, to be the biggest and the best, especially when people are cosplaying the same costume. But we shouldn't be evil. I hate b*tches.


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22 Jun 2010 - 00:1834915
people should be competitive and enter competitions to learn, not develop superiority complexes or "win". it's not about being the best, it's about showing people your best, and being inspired to do better next time.


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22 Jun 2010 - 03:1434927
Anything can be competitive, but cosplay in this country certainly on a lower level than you'd expect.

There's nothing to stop the odd ass throwing their weight around, but do those people really matter? Having a superiority complex isn't going to win them any brownie points and it's going to bounce right off the judges at any of our competitions..

By and large it's a pretty open community, how many cosplay competitions in the last half dozen years have had majorly desirable prizes? How much are winners trumped up and down the event's website or promotional materials?

It's done for the fun of it, and there's nothing wrong with healthy competitiveness and trying your hardest to win at them -- but still the drive is there to just make something amazing, there's no real money, fame or glory to be had, but they enter anyway.


Bullies are bullies, what hobbies they have or find victims through is pretty irrelevant.. I've actually seen more people bullied for their costumes by non-cosplayers than high-horse cosplayers :/ It's not good in any form, and I know plenty of cosplayers who've leapt to the aid of people on the receiving end, so I'd like to blame the individuals more than cosplay in general..

I certainly can't vouch for anyone who puts on a costume to suddenly become a bastion of justice and good tidings to fellow men, but I like to think a hobby revolving around being creative and putting in thought, consideration, and a huge chunk of self-learning tends to attract a more sensitive membership..



..so goes my theory, anyway.


22 Jun 2010 - 09:3834931
i think this a come to the conclusion that.
competitiveness in low does can be good and even helpful.

but when peoples ego's get in the way, it is just trouble
and the statement of "my costume is better then yours" is the most f****ed up thing ever.



oh just to add found a Japanese girl who found her high heel was cut half way through, just moment she went out on stage at the london expo last year


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22 Jun 2010 - 12:5334943
A lot of the points I was going to mention have pretty much been said by this point, but it really does vary from person to person.

On the subject of people doing the same characters, I don't really mind usually, though I'll get annoyed if it's a friend who decides to do it at the same time as me. Otherwise I'm not that fussed.

I'll admit that I can be a very competitive person when it comes to cosplay, but tbh the only reason for that is because a) I want to get better and b) I feel it's the only thing I'm actually good at! I've been cosplaying for about 4 years now I think but it's only recently I've started going in the competitions because I feel my level is passable enough to get judged.
Most of the time I don't think I have a chance of winning but I just like the opportunity to be able to talk with the judges about how I made everything, that's the fun part for me ^^ and I like seeing who I'm up against because it gives me ideas and I can get a close look at how things are made

I can be reeeeaaallly critical of my own work though, things that I have been told would have won prizes are usually the ones I look at and go "God, it's so badly done, I don't even know if I want to put this in the masqerade anymore, let alone wear it". So yeah, sometimes I can be the "bad" kind of competitive but at least it's only with myself and I'm only trying to get better!


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09 Nov 2010 - 03:4044523
I think cosplay should just be done for the fun and enjoyment of it, not to beat anyone.
Although, I am actually ashamed to admit that whenever I see another cosplayer, I subconsciously compare myself to them and when I see other people cosplaying the same character I cosplay, even if I am not wearing that particular cosplay at that time, I feel a pang of... I don't know, maybe it's jealousy or something similar.
Wow, that makes me sound like an awful person. D:


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09 Nov 2010 - 12:3544529
I think cosplay is only competitive if you want it to be and make it so...

Its a choice you can make. I feel its alot less stressful if you're not competitive but thats probably because I am faily new to cosplay (under a year) and dont know much about the competitive side of it all? *shrugs*

Everyone has their own standards of work and cant have high expectations of themselves. and thats fine

I'm dreadful for trying to get things just perfect even if my "skill" wont allow it. >.<

I believe there is a difference between being comptitive and being a "perfectionist" as it were


09 Nov 2010 - 15:4044550
Quote ShadowsOfSora:
I think cosplay should just be done for the fun and enjoyment of it, not to beat anyone.
Although, I am actually ashamed to admit that whenever I see another cosplayer, I subconsciously compare myself to them and when I see other people cosplaying the same character I cosplay, even if I am not wearing that particular cosplay at that time, I feel a pang of... I don't know, maybe it's jealousy or something similar.
Wow, that makes me sound like an awful person. D:



No it doesn't. For a start it's vey natural and human. I think on some level most people do it, compare thier own to others, even if it's only in passing. Prehaos not so much for very common cosplays, but I think it;s more the case if you do rarer ones because, well, chances are its one of only two or four so it's hard not to look at simirlarities and differences.
I think the 'jealously' part is why quite a few of us, if we are honest, like to cosplay rarer cosplays (and before people leap on me, I'm not saying everyone or everyone who does cosplay rarer characters) and it's partly a desire to stick out a little or not to be doing a costumes that many others have done before, but then I may be reading too much into it.

I'm a competitive people, I'll admit that. I do compare myself to other cosplayers who have done the same costume, but it doesn't result in nasty snide comments. I look at what they've done and sometimes I go 'oh, they did that well, wish I'd thought of that' or 'well, I think I did this better', but I also apprieciate that others will think this about mine and it simply comes down to opinion.

I've only entered a competition once, and that was witht he cotume I'd least (well apart from my first and a side one) to have entered with with. The years either side, I really wished I had, especailly last amecon. I don't think I would've won, but I wish I'd tried (I didn't realise that they had limited spaces for the competetion). It really brought me down, but then I think that's because I want to win with a costume that mum helped me with. She really gets into them when we work together (and sometimes when we don't, digging through her stuff to find items I can use). So, I would have liked to enter the last one for her because I wouldn't have been able to finish it without her. But what the hell, I still have fun over the weekend, loved the costume and I might just enter it in another competition during the year...


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09 Nov 2010 - 16:1944554
Personally I belive that if you cosplay you've got to be aware of people that are going to critizise your cosplay.

Myself am very self conscious about cosplaying and seeing another people in the same cosplay, Some more than others depending on how bad i see my own cosplay as. Which is always bad, as the maker will ALWAYS know and see the flaws in there work more than observers.

There are going to be bullys everywhere, some people just can't keep offensive thoughts to themselves sometimes.

Heres an example of my experience - My friend wasn't cosplaying but was in a dress, two girls came up to her and told her that her dress was giving them a migrate, and how horrid it was.

That was without being in cosplay, it will happen everywhere regardless. Competition is healthy though, You need to think 'there's always someone better than you' and even if someone did come up to you and bully you for what you did 'wrong' then you need to walk away and become better. Best thing at cons is that you most likely wont see that coplayer in a long time if ever again.

It is a terrible thing about that newbie being brought to there knees and i'm very surprised someone didn't go up to them and pull them. I certainly would off, no one deserves the right to insult someone so much, People who don't cosplaying give us a hard enough time without cosplayers doing that too. But thats just me.


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Last edited by SachikoYumi (09 Nov 2010 - 16:20)
09 Nov 2010 - 16:2244556
Simply put it all boils down to personal choice if your not competetive there is a large portion of cosplay that will suit you, if you are same story! theres something for everyone ^^


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09 Nov 2010 - 19:0744584
Well I guess it's like a lot of thins in that it's fine to a point. There is DEFINITELY no excuse to get lippy or start being a jerk to someone else. To be honest I mean I respect everyone's cosplay... Even if I think "Ok yeah, it could be better" you have to remember that chances are someone's worked hard on their outfit.

As for entering competitions though, I mean it's BOUND to be competitive. Obviously it shouldn't have to go to the point where feelings get hurt, but then it's not like people are FORCED to enter.

I mean I got no problem with like friendly competition like if you and a mate decide who can make a better outfit etc. because obviously that's just friendly.

I guess at the end of the day nobody likes being told "Man, your cosplay sucks." But like other people have been saying, driving yourself can also make your own cosplays better.

In life there's a fine balance between not being too bothered by other people bettering you and wanting to be the best so much that you can hurt yourself and others. People are quite often surprised how hard it can be to both drive yourself to compete with other people without making it personal or getting angry because you keep losing, or on the other hand to not view people who aren't quite at your level as inferior in some way.

Respect is everything in my opinion.


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