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04 Jun 2010 - 23:0933498
Well I've been reading what everyone has to say and I agree with most of the points given here.

About the age limit thing, if you were to limit it, what age would you limit it to? I see a lot of young kids there and it's nice to see them have fun but occassionally some of them will get lost or some might be immensely rude and act older and such, which constantly annoys me. =___= But yeah, I helped a lost kid there once and there'll be trouble if youngsters like them get stranded. But it's true, the expos gain a LOT of money, what with all the £5 tickets and such. So there's not much we can do about it.

And I suppose, once you go there every year, things turn pretty bleak. =__=

And yeah, that's all I gotta say for now. ^___^


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04 Jun 2010 - 23:2433501
I need to stop rambling on
I reckon they should put their prices to their original price when they first started. i.e. £3 for children and £5 for adults and £8 for fast track... It would make me so much happier. If only that could happen : P

In all seriousness, it's not getting dry. It's just stayed the same in my opinion. Once you've been to a few you've been to them all, that's my opinion on Expo. So if it's your first time there, you will have a fantastic time. If you've been going for years then you'll probably be able to predict what will happen. I've been going since May 2006 (The time when free huggers didn't exist! Woah-ho!) and so nowerdays I don't really know what to do at Expo anymore because it's so samey!

If it wasn't for cosplay, then I wouldn't be there anymore. Cosplay helps with the socializing aspect of Expo in my opinion with groups, meeting new faces and I enjoy entering the masquerades on occasions. Nowerdays I go to Expos mainly to see what other people have come up with and to see people that I only get to see twice a year. I don't care so much about the actual Expo itself anymore to be honest. The merchandise is very overpriced and some can be fake anyway.

However, I do agree about the rudeness increasing. I think it's due to the crowds though, if the crowds weren't so big then people would remain calmer and would be less rude. So you can't blame Expo themselves for that, blame their popularity XD

I think with Expo you have to find something to amuse yourselves if you're not too into panels and shopping. I personally amuse myself at Expos by simply chilling out with people I rarely see, taking photos of people and doing shoots in general. So basically, cosplay and socializing. I use to spend my time in the dealer's room for the majority of it either shopping or by the artist alley - but I never have much money anymore and I can't draw so it's embarrassing XD (not to mention I have bad luck with the artist alley and can never find a seat to draw at )

This Expo I've managed to meet a few new faces and had a great time with them, which is why I really enjoyed this Expo. However the event itself I only really spent around 2hrs in there, and most of that was backstage in the masquerade ._.

I think if you're not enjoying Expos anymore then you should give conventions a go. I've only been to two cons and I've loved both far more than Expos! I've only had pleasant experiences with them. Lots of space, quieter and a lovely atmosphere (Not to mention more obscure cosplays! I was impressed. And no free huggers as well, this I was not use to!). Only reason I haven't been to more is because I'm too young XD


04 Jun 2010 - 23:3833504
Ok, yes. WHAT is with the free hugs??!

Seriously, who pays for them normally?? Some guy nearly got a punch from me for actually running into me and nearly knocking me over for a damn hug!

People are far too touchy. Specially when your wearing something that quite clearly could take your eye out if you came to close.

I hate hugs. They have germs.


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04 Jun 2010 - 23:4333505
There were like, 2 or 3 free huggers in Oct 06 who were hugging random people in the queue. That was it - it was pretty cool back then. And others thought it was cool as well, so they decided to join in - it eventually caught on and now everybody's doing it.

I don't mind if somebody asks for a hug because they like the character or something, but randomly standing somewhere with a sign ready to pounce on people is not my kind of thing

Free hugs were alright, it was harmless. But now you get things that young children shouldn't really be seeing...


04 Jun 2010 - 23:5533507
@Nert
Apologies, as I said, I didn't og in this year so I only had other people's word that there wasn't a cosplay sign xD Sorry.
Hmmm..... PEOPLE DONATE YOUR BEANBAGS!

I'm not sure what I can say without repeating myself. I don't think there hsould be an age limit, like Mungojerrie said, that's much more of a Con thing where the audience is MEANT TO BE restriced to cosplayers and anime fans. Expo is an extremly wide range of subjects which appeals to younger audiences as well. Heck, I know someone who's eight year old cousin wanted to go to see certain stuff, they only went in for a couple of hours. Expo appeals ot different people for different reasons, it's not fair to put up an age limit in my opinion. That's what Cons are for ^^

Like CrystalNeko, I don't think Expo has changed too much since I started going. That could be for better or worse... I mean, I haven't seen much improvement over the years... but then again, I'm not entirely sure what to suggest either =/


04 Jun 2010 - 23:5633508
lmao well what i do at expo these days
is walk round

this expo i had only enough money to get some nice meals and drinks on the evenings ect, i just walk round with my girlfriend and chill, i go to expo to have all my best friends come together and to go drinking with, have a laugh, i mean sure i spazz over the gundam and dragonballz models they sell but i purely go expo for a weekend away ad tottally to eat chinese. IN LONDON
because london docklands is were all the hard kids hang out lmao jokes


05 Jun 2010 - 00:0433509
Ah, the free hugs. I honestly don't mind (since I also put up a sign for funsies when I cosplay) but sometimes those people who just sit against a wall with a huge 'FREE HUGS' sign and come charging at you without warning.. Let's just say, THAT creeps me out. Yeah, I put up a sign too every now and then, but I just do it when I'm with my friends outside the building or at the grassy patch and I'll only hug if people ask for one (no, I don't go charging at them). So I guess the occassional friendly hug is alright, but that's my opinion. ^__^


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05 Jun 2010 - 01:2433514
This is why many US cons ban all signs, 'free hugs' or no -_-

The concept is fine.. ish. It's the creepy types and the overzealous-never-take-no-for-answer types that've turned it from something random to something more resembling a menace

I'm usually left well alone, unless I'm taking pictures of pretty ladies - then there's an amusingly obvious ploy where they go straight for me in the hopes of then proceeding straight to the next nearest person - oh why look, it's a pretty cosplayer! What're the odds? -_-;


I see Expo as a gateway con, of sorts. It's cheap and accessible compared to the big conventions, and it has on-day entry so it's easy to drag people to.. It's also one of the very few events that allows under 18s, cutting them out wouldn't really change anything but would spoil it for families and kids just enjoying themselves..

Walking around with a Disney Princess (Angelphie as Cinderella) is always an experience XD Stopping to take a photo with them and wishing them a nice day can turn a small child into a shining beacon of glee you could use as a lighthouse or something. It's really cute.

It's also nice that Expo isn't exclusively anime-based in a way, there's a nice overlap with the scifi crowd and more casual interests so friends can be dragged more easily, THEN dragged into cosplay, and onto Class A Cons (tm). See, it's all part of The Plan.


So yeah it's never going to change much, how can it? It's only as different as the companies that attend.. They can't help what events run at the same time until they can afford to book the whole center XD


05 Jun 2010 - 01:4533515
I tried to make the most of it, but it was definitely my least favourite expo out of the 4 I've been to (mainly for the aforementioned reasons). A thing like queuing for hours when you're supposed to be fast-tracked is pretty devastating when you're trying to have a good time (they even made you walk around in zigzags to exit when you'd already collected the wristband - ridiculous). It's more annoying since there was no justifiable reason for it.



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05 Jun 2010 - 08:3033518
By the time I managed to get inside the actual venue I was too angry and exhausted to look at the guide book, sorry.

The entrance fee probably wasn't too much for something that scale at that location, though it didn't feel like it was good value for money, for some reason. Maybe because although there was a lot of stuff to see/do, it was very hard to get to said stuff?

It also seems like people who were involved in the organisation/running of the Expo had a very different experience from those who were just visiting.

Totally not happy about the free huggers. It's fine if they hold a sign and wait, but if they come up to me and start making sad faces and make guilt-trippy noises when I said no, that's just not good.

And then there is the rest of the sign-holding... call me old-fashioned and boring but I don't think things like "rape" should be held up in a sign with a like it's something to be celebrated or joked about. Imagine what other visitors may think, or even the press if they were there. That's just giving the Independent or any other newspaper another chance to rip us apart. And I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to think that if a parent happens to be there with their kid, they can think that cosplaying and anime can be a good hobby. Holding up those signs is not exactly helping with the overall image.



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05 Jun 2010 - 10:0133523
Quote Pez:

And then there is the rest of the sign-holding... call me old-fashioned and boring but I don't think things like "rape" should be held up in a sign with a like it's something to be celebrated or joked about. Imagine what other visitors may think, or even the press if they were there. That's just giving the Independent or any other newspaper another chance to rip us apart. And I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to think that if a parent happens to be there with their kid, they can think that cosplaying and anime can be a good hobby. Holding up those signs is not exactly helping with the overall image.


this is the main reason y me and other parents i know will not bring there children to expo.....


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05 Jun 2010 - 10:0133524
Quote Pez:


Totally not happy about the free huggers. It's fine if they hold a sign and wait, but if they come up to me and start making sad faces and make guilt-trippy noises when I said no, that's just not good.

And then there is the rest of the sign-holding... call me old-fashioned and boring but I don't think things like "rape" should be held up in a sign with a like it's something to be celebrated or joked about. Imagine what other visitors may think, or even the press if they were there. That's just giving the Independent or any other newspaper another chance to rip us apart. And I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to think that if a parent happens to be there with their kid, they can think that cosplaying and anime can be a good hobby. Holding up those signs is not exactly helping with the overall image.


Oh god yeah. I had a very mixed experiance with free huggers at expo, alot of them got the hint when I looked awkward and went away. But quite a few of them just plain didn't give me a choice. Why ask when you're gonna force yourself on me anyway? >_>;;

I thought it was quite dodgy when I saw two kids...they must have been about 8 or something, holding up 'free hug' signs standing around by themselves. :/ I know most the people at expo are good natured people but you never know... x.x

As for expo itself...I had a good time, but I think that's because I also go with the idea that the event isn't what i'm going for. I think I went inside once each day just for a quick look for bargains. Otherwise it was more of just a meetup with friends and for cosplay fun. I'll keep going as long as my friends keep going.


05 Jun 2010 - 11:2333533
For me, Expo started out as my door to cosplay and events of the like. But over the time, it's not soo much the event itself I go for. I now go to Expo to meet my friends I've met over the years of going, and I'm not too bothered with cosplay or the masquerade. That being said, the Sundays are a good day to go around buying the odd things (somehow I still spend too much) as it's a lot quieter than Saturdays, especially this May.

As I said above, Expo was the introduction to cosplay for me, and since going to Expo from October 07 (I think), I started going to other events such as Ayacon last year, and Kitacon II earlier this year. In future, I intend on going to the cons more than Expo because there's a better atmosphere. Most importantly it's because there's a limit to how many people go, and spaces go very quickly. This way things are controlled easily, and nobody feels like they're in a giant tin of sardines.


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05 Jun 2010 - 12:1833542
Quote Rwylin:
Quote Pez:

And then there is the rest of the sign-holding... call me old-fashioned and boring but I don't think things like "rape" should be held up in a sign with a like it's something to be celebrated or joked about. Imagine what other visitors may think, or even the press if they were there. That's just giving the Independent or any other newspaper another chance to rip us apart. And I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to think that if a parent happens to be there with their kid, they can think that cosplaying and anime can be a good hobby. Holding up those signs is not exactly helping with the overall image.


this is the main reason y me and other parents i know will not bring there children to expo.....


If Expo staff see innapropriate signs like those mentioned (or any other innapropriate behavoir), they put a stop to it, they find them as disgusting as you do.

But in a crowded show they can't be everywhere at once, so resposability lies on everyones shoulders - If you see something like that TELL a staff member and they will try to put a stop to it.

Time and time again after conventions and events we find people complaining that something nasty was going on afterwards.
Nobody can do anything about it afterwards - report it on the day!


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05 Jun 2010 - 12:5833545
i saw sooo annoyed with the zig-zag mile thing you had to do AFTER you got your fast-track ticket, it was ridiculous! and also when people were jumping over the barrier how staff just yelled like mad at you >.>
i was too exhausted to even bother walking around the hall..
and then the over crowding in the hall was horrible! i could barely even see the merchandise on tables.
and the free huggers just multiply every expo dont they? i mean at first, when all this startded, it was alright.. they werent as touchy as they are now. there were multiple times when i gave free hugs and on rare occasions some dirty pedos groped by ass D: it was the worst thing ever!
since then i dont give or accept free hugs..


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05 Jun 2010 - 13:3133546
Free huggers amuse me, but that's because I have a variety of reasons why I can't be hugged, which when asked I will tell. My favourite is "no, you'll hurt me. This costume is dangerous you jerk."

This is my favourite video ever of a Free hugs guy getting pranked by a deluxe hugs guy:

Free Hugs Prank: $2 Deluxe Hugs

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05 Jun 2010 - 15:2033554
This year it was my second time at the expo and I spent most of the day going round and round in circles.

I only went to the expo because I wanted to enter a msaquerade, meet new people and cosplay. I did try to be interested in the stalls but it was all way overpriced.
Becuase of the rain on saturday inside was completley packed and me and my friend who I went up to meet couldn't really find anywhere to stop.

The funniest part of the expo for me though was when we walked up to the far end of the expo hall to get a seat and we did. We were there for about 5 minutes when someone from another convention just randomly walked up to us and asked what was going on in the 'crazy convention'. -insert awquard cosplay explanation here-


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05 Jun 2010 - 15:3233555
Quote Sakurastar123:
This year it was my second time at the expo and I spent most of the day going round and round in circles.

I only went to the expo because I wanted to enter a msaquerade, meet new people and cosplay. I did try to be interested in the stalls but it was all way overpriced.
Becuase of the rain on saturday inside was completley packed and me and my friend who I went up to meet couldn't really find anywhere to stop.

The funniest part of the expo for me though was when we walked up to the far end of the expo hall to get a seat and we did. We were there for about 5 minutes when someone from another convention just randomly walked up to us and asked what was going on in the 'crazy convention'. -insert awquard cosplay explanation here-


This best describes my days at the May Expo. XD Went around in circles with my friend, we were looking for awesome cosplayers to take photos with but we already took photos with almost all of them. =___= And yeah, the merchandise are allllllll the same ones and yet waaay more expensive. O__O And it was so horrible when it rained, the whole building was so crowded and humid. DX But yeah, I went there to meet people and hopefully make friends, and I sure do hope the October Expo will be more fun, in events and meeting people. ^___^ So if you're coming you'll probably see me as the overexcited Chrona from Soul Eater. :3


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05 Jun 2010 - 15:5533559
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Quote Pez:


this is the main reason y me and other parents i know will not bring there children to expo.....


If Expo staff see innapropriate signs like those mentioned (or any other innapropriate behavoir), they put a stop to it, they find them as disgusting as you do.

But in a crowded show they can't be everywhere at once, so resposability lies on everyones shoulders - If you see something like that TELL a staff member and they will try to put a stop to it.

Time and time again after conventions and events we find people complaining that something nasty was going on afterwards.
Nobody can do anything about it afterwards - report it on the day!


i tell members of staff, but by the time they got there the person had gone or changed there sign.... so there was nothing the staff could do.


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05 Jun 2010 - 17:3033581
expo's what you make it. same as any con/meet/show.

you need to put something in to get something out. you can't expect to be entertained.


05 Jun 2010 - 18:2433595
Last October I got off the DLR and was just go onto the covered walkway when I saw two girls, probably 14 or 15 years old, walking towards me holding up signs that say "rape me". And no joke, I was walking in front of a young family who seemed to be going to ExCel for something else and was quite amused and excited to find so many people dressed up. I didn't hear what their reaction was, just hoped they didn't see those girls.

By the time you find the staff to tell them about it, the sign people'd be gone. But things like that are totally not Expo's fault. I just feel angry and almost ashamed that me and people like them probably share quite a bit of area on a Venn diagram to onlookers because we both like anime and games etc.

Finding staff to help sometimes felt difficult - again, not blaming the staff, it seemed like they were always overstretched! The ticketing queue broke down on many occasions and literally hundreds of people queue jumped, I told someone who apparently went away to tell someone else, but nothing was done about it.

Every event is what you make of it, it's so true. It's just sad that whenever there are complaints, there seem to be more "that's the way it is, take it or leave it" responses than "yeah they should do something about that/we'll improve on this area for the next Expo."


05 Jun 2010 - 19:1533603
i think they're doing a lot with developing the fringe. expo, pretty much, has been an exhibition hall with tons of dealers. with the way that the community is developing and evolving, and how the cosplay side of things is starting to become more and more the central focus of events, things like expo do have to evolve along with them. part of the problem, though, is that with each advance expo makes, the community has already made another advance of it's own.

the big difference between expo and the convention circuit is that cons are (well... should be) run by people who are part of the community, expo is run by a business. that may seem bad at first, but expo is primarily targeted at plain clothes "fans" who want to try the latest games and meet stars rather than cosplayers/event goers. we just kinda snuck in and hijacked the event and started making it our own.

expo is changing, slowly but surely. fringe will start to cater more and more to the people who only want to go for the costuming/socialisation side of things, while the main events will continue to be what they always have been.

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also, with the addition of fringe, the less pleasant side of things will hopefully start to be pushed out due to increased presence of staff. but expo is HUGE, and there's a lot of places for 'tards to slink off to. but that doesn't mean that blatant "bad stuff" should be ignored. look for the staff, who are pretty easy to spot. tell them, they will let security know and then the con will be on the lookout.

another thing to remember is that this expo, in regards to crowding, was very different compared to most previous ones due to the weather. the past several expos have had pretty reasonable weather on the saturday.


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05 Jun 2010 - 20:2333611
i really enjoyed myself at expo

i do totaly agree that something needs to be done about the overcrouding.. one of my shoulders got caved in and my helmet got 2 holes chiped in it from people just walking into me. there was one moment where i was standing talking to a friend and a guy walked into the back of me scratching his arm on my armour, he then turned round looking at me like WTF and said ouch... as if i owed him an apology. that kind of stuff really gets me mad :S i hope the guy did actualy hurt himself for being so insensative.

i think mcm need to really let people know that cosplayers are puting months of effort into their costumes and the last thing we want is people runing over and proding things or trying to grab bits of it, i know i was doing armour and i look like a battleship... but not only was i in ALLOT of pain wearing the costume but there were some really delecate and fragile parts. the last thing i need is to be glomped or proded.

im looking forward to october expo... hopefully it is allot less crouded i really enjoyed sunday, it was more social because everybody was calm and things were less crouded. maybee nurofen had something to do with me loving sunday... but still.


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07 Jun 2010 - 19:3433848
So i guess without the cosplayers, expo would be dead. XD


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