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30 May 2010 - 22:3732925
Need Advice on future cosplay
First off, hello all cosplayers im new so please be nice and ill do the same .
The reason i put this up is because at either the october london expo 2010 or may 2010 i want to cosplay as evangelion unit 1 but have no idea how i should go about this, so any ideas??


01 Jun 2010 - 00:4533020
I personally WOULD suggest you maybe start a bit smaller. There are plenty of people who have experience with armour making that wouldn't tackle a full body suit.

That's my opinion as someone who finds the thought of making such a costume pretty daunting. To make it look half-decent, you need a fair bit of specialised equipment and material knowledge.

If that doesn't put you off, I'm sure many others will have suggestions as to materials and techniques you can use.


01 Jun 2010 - 00:5333022
hmmmmmmmmmm

i won't say don't do it.

i will say it's a hard one. mainly because of the bodyshape. no human is that shape, so you will have to massively re-design the whole thing to fit. that could end up causing you to be dissatisfied.

redesigning can work. i did it for my Al and i feel it still works as a costume. the best thing i can advise, before you start making anything, is to get a human outline reference (you can get these pretty freely on the net), and start drawing the armour onto a human body with tracing paper. if you end up not liking what you see, then i'd say steer clear...


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01 Jun 2010 - 10:2133039
This is just my opinion... but if you look at something like a mecha unit and actually have absolutely no idea how to start, it probably means you need to tackle something easier first. To do something like that you need to have confidence and skills. Even if someone is making a mecha suit for the first time they might have relevant skills from their job/hobbies that enables them to break down a big construction into little sections, or they might know how to make models out of cardboard and plastics, or they might have experience in wearing a big costume because they're into fursuiting.

I think first of all you need to think about what you are capable of. If you already have one relevant skill under your belt, such as know how to built a model, or how to deconstruct a 3D thing into 2D pieces, etc, you can learn the rest as you go. But you sound like you don't have any idea how to start, so you probably should try something else that doesn't require such a large range of skills first. After all, people can tell you everything they know but on top of advice you'll need experience to pull off something like an Evagelion unit!



Last edited by Pez (01 Jun 2010 - 10:23)
01 Jun 2010 - 11:4233049
Quote Yami_No_Kaminari:
First off, hello all cosplayers im new so please be nice and ill do the same .
The reason i put this up is because at either the october london expo 2010 or may 2010 i want to cosplay as evangelion unit 1 but have no idea how i should go about this, so any ideas??


I assume you mean may 2011.
If that's the case, then next year will probably be more realistic, depending on your existing knowledge and skills as already outlined in Pez's post above.
Both me an Odd-One-Out took about a year, on and off, to complete the construction of our suits. Even then, I feel that I rushed mine, and I'm rebuilding parts of it again for October.

Friendly advice. Listen to the people above. They've been doing this stuff for a long time and they know what they're talking about. In my opinion and experience, I consider them to be experts in the world of cosplay.

Okay, now that I have that out of the way, I'll lay down some of my the stuff I had to go through and maybe give some pointers. Like the above posters, I won't say don't do it, but it will be a massive learning curve depending on the route you take
As xaerael said, designing should be the first thing you should be looking at. Without this, your costume will not look like how you want it to, especially if you start finding bits and pieces out of proportion, out of shape etc
Get lots of reference pictures, work out where you'll be inside the suit etc, and whether you're willing to compromise shape/design over comfort. (I believe Odd-One-Out went for comfort and I went for design. As a result, her suit was MUCH more sturdier than mine as it lasted both days at the expo. Mine only lasted the first day, and I was totally exhausted and bruised by the time I took it off.)

Once you have all that, you still need to think about materials and cost and work out what's best for each part of the suit.
I went for Foam Board, Odd-One-Out went for Plastazote. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Plastazote is flexible yet sturdy, but can be a pain in the ass to paint. Foam Board is perfect for flat surfaces/structures, easier to paint, but the lack of flexibility means some structures are left brittle/fragile if not bonded correctly. Cost between them is neglegible depending on how you use them. Plastazote is more expensive, but is easier to manage thus you'll find that you'll use less Plastazote than Foam Board. I think I used over twice as much Foam Board as Odd-One-Out used on Plastazote. (and that's probably down to my lack of initial experience making the suit, ie design mistakes, and my inability to cut in straight lines even with a ruler etc)

There is also another option of using resin/fiberglass/paper mache/car filler etc etc but again, as Pez already mentioned, it's down to whether or not you have previous knowledge of using these materials/methods.

My suit was the first I made and being fond of model Gundam Kits, I have lots of reference models and pictures to work with, plus having scaled down profiles of the figures really did help me.
When I started my suit, I didn't have experience with plastazote/resin/fiberglass etc etc, but I did have experience with working with Foam Board, so once I had everything measured out, that was the starting point for me.

I'm not trying to sound like a tit coming across as knowing everything. You're pretty much like how I was about 11 months ago and I'm just telling you my experiences with my build.
If you still think you're up to the task, by all means, drop me a note and I'll tell you more about my hardships.
otherwise, good luck with whatever you decide.


01 Jun 2010 - 12:5033061
actually, yeah. K4tt brings up an excelent point.

if you don't own it already, buy the bandai HG model kit of the suit. putting that together will let you see how the suit works, and the shapes of each piece.

i have a unit 2, and it's a great, accurate model.


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01 Jun 2010 - 13:5733070
K4tt pretty much outlined everything that I was going to say so I'll just add a couple more words on top:

You're not going to get a 100% perfect costume if you want comfort and flexibility. The truer the costume to the source, the more limited movement will become. One issue will be the waist size, it's a lot thinner than the average human build so you'll have to compensate for that by either making it much taller, or you'll have to ignore that issue to an extent.

EVA 01 is organically shaped so your best bet is using foam because there are lots of smooth curves and contours that can't be readily achieved using foamboard. Foamboard would be good for reinforcing some flatter areas such as the two shoulder pieces.

Anyway, good luck with it and I hope you can finish it


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01 Jun 2010 - 23:4733166
Thank you all who have responded to this and i do realise that this may be something too early on and will aim it for may 2011.
However i will try to make this to the best of my abilities and will keep updates of progress on it on here so i will be asking for commentary.
As the the whole body size problem i do have one or two ideas (and i will be using a model a friend of mine has as reference thanks for the advice) and this time around im not aiming for complete perfection just something i can proudly say i put great effort into and this was worth it.
I also hope to cooperate with some of you as to whether some ideas i have are good ones so as for october 2010....i will post outfit but will probably be luffy or an easier costume that time.
Thanks for your information and again heres hoping it turns out good


01 Jun 2010 - 23:5233167
Quote k4tt:
Quote Yami_No_Kaminari:
First off, hello all cosplayers im new so please be nice and ill do the same .
The reason i put this up is because at either the october london expo 2010 or may 2010 i want to cosplay as evangelion unit 1 but have no idea how i should go about this, so any ideas??


I assume you mean may 2011.
If that's the case, then next year will probably be more realistic, depending on your existing knowledge and skills as already outlined in Pez's post above.
Both me an Odd-One-Out took about a year, on and off, to complete the construction of our suits. Even then, I feel that I rushed mine, and I'm rebuilding parts of it again for October.

Friendly advice. Listen to the people above. They've been doing this stuff for a long time and they know what they're talking about. In my opinion and experience, I consider them to be experts in the world of cosplay.

Okay, now that I have that out of the way, I'll lay down some of my the stuff I had to go through and maybe give some pointers. Like the above posters, I won't say don't do it, but it will be a massive learning curve depending on the route you take
As xaerael said, designing should be the first thing you should be looking at. Without this, your costume will not look like how you want it to, especially if you start finding bits and pieces out of proportion, out of shape etc
Get lots of reference pictures, work out where you'll be inside the suit etc, and whether you're willing to compromise shape/design over comfort. (I believe Odd-One-Out went for comfort and I went for design. As a result, her suit was MUCH more sturdier than mine as it lasted both days at the expo. Mine only lasted the first day, and I was totally exhausted and bruised by the time I took it off.)

Once you have all that, you still need to think about materials and cost and work out what's best for each part of the suit.
I went for Foam Board, Odd-One-Out went for Plastazote. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Plastazote is flexible yet sturdy, but can be a pain in the ass to paint. Foam Board is perfect for flat surfaces/structures, easier to paint, but the lack of flexibility means some structures are left brittle/fragile if not bonded correctly. Cost between them is neglegible depending on how you use them. Plastazote is more expensive, but is easier to manage thus you'll find that you'll use less Plastazote than Foam Board. I think I used over twice as much Foam Board as Odd-One-Out used on Plastazote. (and that's probably down to my lack of initial experience making the suit, ie design mistakes, and my inability to cut in straight lines even with a ruler etc)

There is also another option of using resin/fiberglass/paper mache/car filler etc etc but again, as Pez already mentioned, it's down to whether or not you have previous knowledge of using these materials/methods.

My suit was the first I made and being fond of model Gundam Kits, I have lots of reference models and pictures to work with, plus having scaled down profiles of the figures really did help me.
When I started my suit, I didn't have experience with plastazote/resin/fiberglass etc etc, but I did have experience with working with Foam Board, so once I had everything measured out, that was the starting point for me.

I'm not trying to sound like a tit coming across as knowing everything. You're pretty much like how I was about 11 months ago and I'm just telling you my experiences with my build.
If you still think you're up to the task, by all means, drop me a note and I'll tell you more about my hardships.
otherwise, good luck with whatever you decide.

Thanks for the offer, i may need all the help i can get here. As for material, while i havent decided on what the exterior is going to be made of, i did decide to start with trying to make an internal frame of the suit in separate stages then go from there. At least that was what i was thinking anyway.


02 Jun 2010 - 00:3733169
Quote Yami_No_Kaminari:
First off, hello all cosplayers im new so please be nice and ill do the same .
The reason i put this up is because at either the october london expo 2010 or may 2010 i want to cosplay as evangelion unit 1 but have no idea how i should go about this, so any ideas??


Ah, so I see you took my advice to ask on CosplayIsland ^_^ (was the guy at the CosplayFever stand you asked about it)


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02 Jun 2010 - 19:5833218
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote Yami_No_Kaminari:
First off, hello all cosplayers im new so please be nice and ill do the same .
The reason i put this up is because at either the october london expo 2010 or may 2010 i want to cosplay as evangelion unit 1 but have no idea how i should go about this, so any ideas??


Ah, so I see you took my advice to ask on CosplayIsland ^_^ (was the guy at the CosplayFever stand you asked about it)


Yea thanks for the tip it will definately help me out with this and future cosplays i owe you for this


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