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22 May 2010 - 10:3232497
I do completly understand the scenario that you have put forward as I answered it above.

If you take your Wristband off it becomes Void, it also allows it to be transfered to anyone else because you would not have it on, that is again why it is void because it is damaged.

If you are taking part in an organised activity onsite you need to have a Valid wristband on and as soon as you cut it off it becomes void and no longer a Valid Wristband.

Hope that helps

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Quote mcmexpo:
NixieThePixie

Think of it this way, the reason that the Wristband system has been brought in is so that you are visual for Stewards, Security and so on so there is no need to approach anyone who as one as they can see them from a distance, easily allows you entry and Exit from the Expo halls, can't be lost, cant be rubbed of, can't be transfered.

The Wristbands as you see are also a visual way to see if someone is taking part in an organised activity that they have contributed and supported the Expo weekend.

Now thats out of the way

Another reason we have Wristbands now is that the original system was abused by people who did not want to support the Expo weekend but free load and basically bunk in, we are not saying that is you as you are clearly saying you have a wristband

They did this by transfering their handstamps over to others, amongst other ways.

Now if you cut the Wristband off and just held it you would then have the ability of giving it to someone else who could say the same as you, that they had been into the halls and so on thus allowing it to be transfered and defeating the object of what the Wristbands are there for which is to see that you are supporting the Expo weekend which in turn will allow us to support you the fans in making things bigger and better.

Hopefully you can see that


I don't think you quite understood what I was getting at.

Scenario:

You've completely finished in the expo hall and know you won't go back in for the rest of the day. You then go to the photoshoot that's been planned, but take off the wirstband so that it doesn't make your costume looks foolish. You put the wristband in your bag or something, so that you can show it if asked.

Is that allowed?



Last edited by mcmexpo (22 May 2010 - 10:34)
22 May 2010 - 10:4532498
A Question relevant to people in the masquerade without gloves/coverings ect:

Is it possible to cut the bands off for the masquerade if it would be visible? The masquerade is the last event of the day, so after then the band isn't needed anyway, so I don't see an issue with them being taken off for the entry.

The logic is that anyone in the masquerade queue would have a wristband as they have entered the hall, so taking them off at that point shouldn't be an issue.

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22 May 2010 - 10:5432500
Hi KhaosKreator

Good question and one we have answered elsewhere but are more than happy to answer here.

People who are taking part in the Masquerade, so to clarify this the entrants who go on stage are allowed to cut off their wristbands as, as you say it is the last activity in the day and you are already in the hall.

Of course if you leave the hall and try to come back in which to be honest I can not see whay you would the Wristband would be void.

Hope that helps.

Quote KhaosKreator:
A Question relevant to people in the masquerade without gloves/coverings ect:

Is it possible to cut the bands off for the masquerade if it would be visible? The masquerade is the last event of the day, so after then the band isn't needed anyway, so I don't see an issue with them being taken off for the entry.

The logic is that anyone in the masquerade queue would have a wristband as they have entered the hall, so taking them off at that point shouldn't be an issue.

-Tab


22 May 2010 - 19:4532531
Quote mcmexpo:
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Can I ask you a question, why are you onsite that weekend?

Yes it may be that you are there to meet friends but then why are they in turn there?

The answer will always be that they are there because everyone else is there because of the Expo weekend.

What it comes down to is not that we are charging you or anyone else to take part in the photoshoots or anything else, if you are onsite and you take part in an organised activity whether registered or not it should only be for the benefit of Wristband holders because they are supporting the Expo weekend and in turn we are supporting them.

We are not charging any extra money or asking you to pay any extra, but we will only support those who support and help Expo to make it a bigger weekend and they are the Wristband holders who will benefit for all of the plans we have in the pipeline.



i was only asking because yes i go to expo (have for years) and pay for tickets but i have friends in london who i can only see during expo weekend as i have other commitments during the rest of the year...
i wanted to make sure that they wouldnt be chucked of site or to be made to pay for a ticket as they are not interested in going into the expo hall (there not even interested in joing grps but i wanted to make sure for there sake), we just want to make the most of the time i have away from my commitments and see them as much as possable.


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22 May 2010 - 20:1632535
Ok, I understand supporting the Expo, and yes I do support it, and yes I do have my tickets. BUT I do not see where Excel have the legal right to force people in to paying just so they can have some photoshoot OUTSIDE of the event/building. Especially privatly arranged shoots not registered.

Forcing people to pay for thier own privatly organised activities, in any legal defention, is extortion.

You keep saying that this is't a marketing ploy or an attempt at profiteering, but unfortunatly thats exactly how MCM are making it out to be.



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22 May 2010 - 20:4432540
I am sorry that you are reading it that way as that is not what it is.

It's great that you support the Expo we do really appreciate that.

In simple terms Excel is a private estate but with public access allowed subject Excel Londons terms, here is a link to the extent of the land they own: http://excel-london.co.uk/visitors/campusmap so they can if they wish, for instance when other events take place completly restrict access to the whole site which they already do a few times a year.

If you read fully what is being said, it is very clear that it is appreciated impromptu or spur of the moment activities do and will take place such as you say photoshoots and so on, no one is looking to stop them as we want them to take place along with everything else.

But what is going to happen going forward is that people who take part in organised activities will have to have a Wristband, there is a very clear policy statement posted here: http://www.mcmexpogroup.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=282&t=14364&p=513227#p513227 which is from Excel London Management & London MCM Expo when reading it please do remember that they own the land.

When more of the MCM FRINGE information gets released after the May Expo you will see that as we organise more outside activities along with the fan ones that already exist, it will be more clear that people will need Wristbands to join in as when we look to organise late afternoon and evening activities outside which I might add are at no extra cost to people who already have a valid wristband there will be an element of control there also so people wont be able to join in without a Valid Wristband.

What we are doing is adding extra value to the weekend and expanding it into more of a festival encompassing the outside as well as the inside, this is actually from feedback by a number of people over time and it is now being put into place this year.

As things are at the moment some people do not like the changes but please bare with us and you will see that the extra benefit that all of the attendees who support the weekend in the right way will get overall.



Quote DarkNoise:
Ok, I understand supporting the Expo, and yes I do support it, and yes I do have my tickets. BUT I do not see where Excel have the legal right to force people in to paying just so they can have some photoshoot OUTSIDE of the event/building. Especially privatly arranged shoots not registered.

Forcing people to pay for thier own privatly organised activities, in any legal defention, is extortion.

You keep saying that this is't a marketing ploy or an attempt at profiteering, but unfortunatly thats exactly how MCM are making it out to be.



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22 May 2010 - 20:4732541
Quote DarkNoise:
Ok, I understand supporting the Expo, and yes I do support it, and yes I do have my tickets. BUT I do not see where Excel have the legal right to force people in to paying just so they can have some photoshoot OUTSIDE of the event/building. Especially privatly arranged shoots not registered.

Forcing people to pay for thier own privatly organised activities, in any legal defention, is extortion.

You keep saying that this is't a marketing ploy or an attempt at profiteering, but unfortunatly thats exactly how MCM are making it out to be.


Actually, thinking about it, when it's said that there's no extra cost yet you must have an expo ticket/wristband means that there is an extra cost for those who have no interest in buying anything else from expo. Some people live relatively nearby, and just want to pop over, in cosplay, to chat with the people they met previous expo and take a photo with them, then go home. Is that really that bad?


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22 May 2010 - 20:5232542
Ok, thats fair enough. Thank you for replying.

I would just like to point out however that it does seem highly unreasonable to charge people a full price admission for doing photoshoots and not entering te expo.

I know that many here will sometimes stay for the weekend, go to the expo on the saturday, and not go on sunday but instead hang out outside for photoshoots. What your saying is that now people have to pay full price regardless of entering the event or not.


22 May 2010 - 20:5432543
We are not charging anymore.

What are you buying extra from Expo?

If people are there to meet, you are even admitting it yourself they are there because it is the Expo weekend.

The Expo weekend takes place because it is supported by people who buy the Wristbands and everyone else inside.

It is not in anyway supported by people who might feel it is ok to come on site on the Expo weekend take part in activities and not contribute to why the people are there in the first place.

You may feel that people who may live locally who might as you say pop over and not want to buy or contribute to Expo is fine, that really will not be the case.

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Quote DarkNoise:
Ok, I understand supporting the Expo, and yes I do support it, and yes I do have my tickets. BUT I do not see where Excel have the legal right to force people in to paying just so they can have some photoshoot OUTSIDE of the event/building. Especially privatly arranged shoots not registered.

Forcing people to pay for thier own privatly organised activities, in any legal defention, is extortion.

You keep saying that this is't a marketing ploy or an attempt at profiteering, but unfortunatly thats exactly how MCM are making it out to be.


Actually, thinking about it, when it's said that there's no extra cost yet you must have an expo ticket/wristband means that there is an extra cost for those who have no interest in buying anything else from expo. Some people live relatively nearby, and just want to pop over, in cosplay, to chat with the people they met previous expo and take a photo with them, then go home. Is that really that bad?


22 May 2010 - 21:0132546
Yes you have got it exactly right.

It is great that they are coming to the weekend but you are saying they may only come in for 1 day, thinking logically and taking your argument on board how are they supporting the weekend if they dont have a ticket for the second day but still take part in activities that are only happening because Expo is on that weekend?

Is the above fair?

They have the choice to visit the Excel campus any other time during the year but they choose to be there when Expo is on so is it fair that Expo put an event on for people who are not contributing to the whole weekend if they are onsite for the whole weekend?

Quote DarkNoise:
Ok, thats fair enough. Thank you for replying.

I would just like to point out however that it does seem highly unreasonable to charge people a full price admission for doing photoshoots and not entering te expo.

I know that many here will sometimes stay for the weekend, go to the expo on the saturday, and not go on sunday but instead hang out outside for photoshoots. What your saying is that now people have to pay full price regardless of entering the event or not.


22 May 2010 - 21:4232551
Quote DarkNoise:


Forcing people to pay for thier own privatly organised activities, in any legal defention, is extortion.


Excellent logic as long as you ignore the fact anyone organizing private activities on private land without permission or intent of paying to be there is, in any legal definition, trespassing.

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23 May 2010 - 05:0032556
This stuff is still going...


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23 May 2010 - 08:0232557
The people I knew who are only going to expo to see their friends (who yes, are there for expo) aren't really going for expo. So £13 for maybe an hour of being on the grounds is silly. They're not going now, just gonna go to October.

...

Just sorta thinking about it, but I probably wouldn't of had such an issue about this if it wasn't for the fact it came in on 15th May.

It's just, I don't like how last minute it all is. If you don't use the internet a lot, or not got connection etc, then your screwed by how late it's been announced. I feel that there should of been a months notice, or if you only came up/finalized it at that date, then introduce it for October. That way, people would have asked there questions and such, and there wouldn't be so much pandemonian as people are rushing to get their photoshoot approved, and panicking about it.

BTW, if anyone is like "I bet she hasn't got her tickets" I had mine from March. Which also annoyed me when it was said the only people complaining were the ones without them. You shouldn't of said it, and it actually rather offended me.

... Probably doesn't help either that practically everything I go on/to is changing without any notice.


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23 May 2010 - 11:0532571
Quote NixieThePixie:
The people I knew who are only going to expo to see their friends (who yes, are there for expo) aren't really going for expo. So £13 for maybe an hour of being on the grounds is silly. They're not going now, just gonna go to October.
Just sorta thinking about it, but I probably wouldn't of had such an issue about this if it wasn't for the fact it came in on 15th May.

It's just, I don't like how last minute it all is. If you don't use the internet a lot, or not got connection etc, then your screwed by how late it's been announced. I feel that there should of been a months notice, or if you only came up/finalized it at that date, then introduce it for October. That way, people would have asked there questions and such, and there wouldn't be so much pandemonian as people are rushing to get their photoshoot approved, and panicking about it.

BTW, if anyone is like "I bet she hasn't got her tickets" I had mine from March. Which also annoyed me when it was said the only people complaining were the ones without them. You shouldn't of said it, and it actually rather offended me.

... Probably doesn't help either that practically everything I go on/to is changing without any notice.



In fairness, this isn't anything new - people shouldn't have been going to the event without paying in the first place, and that's why they've had to clamp down. The outside areas are getting pretty packed, the destruction left after recent expos has been horrific, and the many responses along the lines of "but I don't want to pay!" are kind of proving their point..

Why on earth would your friends make big plans for an event they have no intention of paying for? o.O If they just want to meet up then anywhere public in London would work, why gatecrash?

The comment about only people who freeload was highly unprofessional, but it's not really a good idea to bring it up in the middle of a complaint that your friends can't get away without paying...


23 May 2010 - 11:2332573
We arent that happy how late things were announced either but as soon as we knew then we told people.

It had to come in for May and go forward to October.

When I think people were saying that it is only those who do not have tickets who are complaining I think you will find that was quite a sweeping statement and from what I remember I did comment on that somewhere before, the problem does predominently come from people who do not want to buy tickets and just turn up over the weekend.

When you say that nearly everything that you go on to is changing with out notice, is that about Expo or something else?

Quote NixieThePixie:
The people I knew who are only going to expo to see their friends (who yes, are there for expo) aren't really going for expo. So £13 for maybe an hour of being on the grounds is silly. They're not going now, just gonna go to October.

...

Just sorta thinking about it, but I probably wouldn't of had such an issue about this if it wasn't for the fact it came in on 15th May.

It's just, I don't like how last minute it all is. If you don't use the internet a lot, or not got connection etc, then your screwed by how late it's been announced. I feel that there should of been a months notice, or if you only came up/finalized it at that date, then introduce it for October. That way, people would have asked there questions and such, and there wouldn't be so much pandemonian as people are rushing to get their photoshoot approved, and panicking about it.

BTW, if anyone is like "I bet she hasn't got her tickets" I had mine from March. Which also annoyed me when it was said the only people complaining were the ones without them. You shouldn't of said it, and it actually rather offended me.

... Probably doesn't help either that practically everything I go on/to is changing without any notice.


23 May 2010 - 11:4032575
Quote mcmexpo:
We arent that happy how late things were announced either but as soon as we knew then we told people.

It had to come in for May and go forward to October.

When I think people were saying that it is only those who do not have tickets who are complaining I think you will find that was quite a sweeping statement and from what I remember I did comment on that somewhere before, the problem does predominently come from people who do not want to buy tickets and just turn up over the weekend.

When you say that nearly everything that you go on to is changing with out notice, is that about Expo or something else?


It's something else, which I'm not happy about and they didn't ask anyone or get any information about it, just did it and it's actually made everything harder. Just happened to be that mcmexpo have changed things at the same time, so something that wouldn't have bothered me before has been made worse by me being stressed by other things.


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23 May 2010 - 11:5832577
Sorry to hear that, hopefully everything works out for you in the end.

Hope you have a good time at Expo.

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Quote mcmexpo:
We arent that happy how late things were announced either but as soon as we knew then we told people.

It had to come in for May and go forward to October.

When I think people were saying that it is only those who do not have tickets who are complaining I think you will find that was quite a sweeping statement and from what I remember I did comment on that somewhere before, the problem does predominently come from people who do not want to buy tickets and just turn up over the weekend.

When you say that nearly everything that you go on to is changing with out notice, is that about Expo or something else?


It's something else, which I'm not happy about and they didn't ask anyone or get any information about it, just did it and it's actually made everything harder. Just happened to be that mcmexpo have changed things at the same time, so something that wouldn't have bothered me before has been made worse by me being stressed by other things.



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23 May 2010 - 14:0232584
Just throwing a tuppence worth here, for what it's worth...

Personally I think, whilst the wristbands cause problems for photographers (I really don't envy you, Nert - you do a fabulous job and this is just like slapping you in the face - sorry) they should hopefully be a good idea for the ExCeL staff to help keep things under control.

However, could there be different styles or colours of wristband - say for people who have paid full ticket price and for those who are only attending to meet their friends on the grounds for photoshoots, etc. All wristbands would still be chargeable of course but the 'restricted' ones would pay a lot less.

I realise that it doesn't matter which type of wristband the individual is wearing, they could make just as much litter or cause just as much damage as others around them but it might be a compromise for those who don't want to attend the whole event, yet want to be there either as their choice or at someone else's request.

I don't know... just a thought.


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23 May 2010 - 14:1332585
There are different colours for whether you buy an Early Entry or General Entry ticket and they will change both days.

We can not give one ticket to people inside and another for outside because the Wristband is for the whole event we are not charging people to just be outside.

Fair enough thanks for your feedback, but there are only Early Entry and General Entry tickets that is all there ever will be.

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Just throwing a tuppence worth here, for what it's worth...

Personally I think, whilst the wristbands cause problems for photographers (I really don't envy you, Nert - you do a fabulous job and this is just like slapping you in the face - sorry) they should hopefully be a good idea for the ExCeL staff to help keep things under control.

However, could there be different styles or colours of wristband - say for people who have paid full ticket price and for those who are only attending to meet their friends on the grounds for photoshoots, etc. All wristbands would still be chargeable of course but the 'restricted' ones would pay a lot less.

I realise that it doesn't matter which type of wristband the individual is wearing, they could make just as much litter or cause just as much damage as others around them but it might be a compromise for those who don't want to attend the whole event, yet want to be there either as their choice or at someone else's request.

I don't know... just a thought.


23 May 2010 - 14:4532591
Quote mcmexpo:
There are different colours for whether you buy an Early Entry or General Entry ticket and they will change both days.

We can not give one ticket to people inside and another for outside because the Wristband is for the whole event we are not charging people to just be outside.

Fair enough thanks for your feedback, but there are only Early Entry and General Entry tickets that is all there ever will be.

Fair enough. As I said, it was just a thought to put my tuppence worth in


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23 May 2010 - 15:2932597
well the wristband idea while hacking me off slightly because of how they could potentially mess up my cosplays is a semi good one, I can't complain really, after all it's something ExCeL has requested for right?
I only dont complain becaus I study in tourism so understand fully the whole health, safety, security, and risk assessment stuff that has to go into the planing and hosting of events, conferences and exhibitions and then into these new rules being implemented.

the only thing i would like to know is what these wristbands actually look like...

what i mean is, are they just paper things that will come off if they get wet and are a pain to get on and end up having loads of excess stuff if you have small wirsts like me? or are they the kind of wristbands they give out at festivals, by that i mean are they the proper cloth things that have proper fasteners to prevent them falling off/being damaged by rain etc.


23 May 2010 - 15:3232598
I've already said my piece on a previous page, so I'd like to put forward the idea of having purple bands for early entry! >_> Doooo eeeet. *mind powers*


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23 May 2010 - 15:4932599
Quote Member-XI:
I've already said my piece on a previous page, so I'd like to put forward the idea of having purple bands for early entry! >_> Doooo eeeet. *mind powers*


This would be good for me on Sat, considering my cosplay is primarily purple!! ;p

Is there any way of having semi clear ones? That way, they won't show as much


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23 May 2010 - 16:0732600
Thank you for seeing things they actually are.

If the wristbands get wet then no they will not disintegrate as they are not flimsy paper only ones.

They will not fall off


Quote Sasuke Uzumaki 001:
well the wristband idea while hacking me off slightly because of how they could potentially mess up my cosplays is a semi good one, I can't complain really, after all it's something ExCeL has requested for right?
I only dont complain becaus I study in tourism so understand fully the whole health, safety, security, and risk assessment stuff that has to go into the planing and hosting of events, conferences and exhibitions and then into these new rules being implemented.

the only thing i would like to know is what these wristbands actually look like...

what i mean is, are they just paper things that will come off if they get wet and are a pain to get on and end up having loads of excess stuff if you have small wirsts like me? or are they the kind of wristbands they give out at festivals, by that i mean are they the proper cloth things that have proper fasteners to prevent them falling off/being damaged by rain etc.


23 May 2010 - 16:0832601
Sorry they are block colour.

Quote NixieThePixie:
Quote Member-XI:
I've already said my piece on a previous page, so I'd like to put forward the idea of having purple bands for early entry! >_> Doooo eeeet. *mind powers*


This would be good for me on Sat, considering my cosplay is primarily purple!! ;p

Is there any way of having semi clear ones? That way, they won't show as much


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