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15 May 2010 - 15:3231971
The new MCM Expo rules
As many may already have heard the new news about MCM for them who don't know here's a link to read


http://www.mcmexpogroup.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=282&t=14264

What do you all think about it?


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Last edited by Darkiekun (15 May 2010 - 15:42)
15 May 2010 - 15:4631972
Already posted on forums about it.
I think its stupid.

More for the people that end up meeting up and in groups, you now have to organise this. Its a bit ott, okay check to see that people have tickets around the site, that is fully understandable. However, taking it to the point that you now have you register photo shoots and meet ups is just silly in my own opinion.

For a start, at expo, many a time you'll end up doing things you don't expect to, joining groups, ending up in a group, or doing a photo shoot for a friend.
As I am into photography very much, but only just starting off, i do it for free for friends, but if they want prints i just send them the photos as i can trust them.
But now, if i wanted to do that i'd have to have that registered before i carried it out? Where as i might meet up with someone i haven't seen in a while, and it may end up that we do photos together and stuff, but that just seems to be how expo rolls. Now all of this will have to stop if the rules are strictly enforced and it will all have to be heavily arranged before hand.


15 May 2010 - 15:5031973
I actaully think they mean to sign up if you want it public? As in you wish to sell your photography and it would get you more attention? I don't think it will be stopping you from taking pictures of your friends and stuff... Tis what I think but it is still silly ^^


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15 May 2010 - 15:5531975
Quote Sora:
I actaully think they mean to sign up if you want it public? As in you wish to sell your photography and it would get you more attention? I don't think it will be stopping you from taking pictures of your friends and stuff... Tis what I think but it is still silly ^^


If you read, it states you have to register any groups, meetings or photo shoots that are happening around the excel or are anything to do with mcm expo.
Apparently to help us.
Yes okay it can get you more publicised, thats all very good, but as i said, the problems will come when you get the spur of the moment photo shoots which will not be registered.

As i also mentioned, it depends how hard they lay down the rules.


15 May 2010 - 16:1331979
Ahh well I am just really confused by it all.


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15 May 2010 - 16:2631980
What the message seems to be saying is that you have to 1) tell them beforehand that you'll be there doing shoots/group stuff and 2) if you don't have a ticket then don't go.

Which is all well and good except some people (like me) would want to show up on both days but don't really want to go into the actual Expo twice...

I'm sort of envisioning security guards going up to groups and tapping them on the shoulder asking if they have a ticket. =/ Like getting ticket checked on the train. In a sense it's almost like telling people who haven't paid to buzz off. Which is well within their right... the amount of littering and people climbing on rails/sculptures and the noise level isn't helping too. The larger the group, it seems, the more likely that happens. At any a time the venue is also hosting other conferences and exhibitions so they'd want to try to limit unwanted behaviour. In a way I sympathise a lot with ExCel for having to put out such a message to begin with.

Which probably means we need a similar London-based event that's catered more for us than what Expo and the ExCel Centre can offer?



Last edited by Pez (15 May 2010 - 16:33)
15 May 2010 - 16:3331982
I think alot of this is scare tactics in order to get more money out of people by scaring them into buying tickets.

I have a few photoshoots planned but there's no way i'm going to email them about it seeing as they're private shoots with my friends. O.o


15 May 2010 - 17:4931990
I found it absolutely ridiculous. How are they gonna manage every group that's there for one? And why? It's a bit irritating, saying you must have a ticket in order to have your photo taken (well, I shall have a gay wristband as well, thankyouverymuch).

If they get too fussy about it, then just hold the shoot off excel grounds. they can't do anything about that.

What happens if someone asks for your photo during the day? "Sorry, but this hasn't been cleared by whatever, so we can't"

Ridiculous.


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Last edited by NixieThePixie (15 May 2010 - 17:50)
15 May 2010 - 17:5631991
I honestly don't think they're going to be stalking people that are taking random photos of random cosplayers, that would just be silly >_>


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15 May 2010 - 18:0431993
Quote Lady Bahamut:
I honestly don't think they're going to be stalking people that are taking random photos of random cosplayers, that would just be silly >_>


I know, I enjoy blowing things out of proportion though. And it annoyed me.


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15 May 2010 - 18:0931994
i think the whole idea is silly, wot if you turn up in a cosplay and wanna join a grp who already have a ticket???, 'sorry you cant join even tho u have a kick ass cosplay cos u dont have a ticket?'

the wrist band idea is also a lil silly but then the hand stamp idea didnt work as i saw meny ppl pressing there hands together to get there friends in free.

also the idea for stoping ppl from going into the excel centre if you dont have a payed ticket is downright stupid..... its a public food court isnt it, excel dont rent out the whole of the excel center they only rent out a few halls.


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15 May 2010 - 18:1831996
Quote Rwylin:

also the idea for stoping ppl from going into the excel centre if you dont have a payed ticket is downright stupid..... its a public food court isnt it, excel dont rent out the whole of the excel center they only rent out a few halls.


That's what I thought. They don't rent out the outside area either - which is typically the place photos are taken.


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15 May 2010 - 18:2431998
gotta think about it from their pov
Um, I think it's not about which bits they rent out, but the fact that they own the whole venue (including the outside grounds), so ExCel can decide whether anyone is allowed there or not - and that's even if they have a ticket. Kind of like how Heathrow can throw you out even if you have a plane ticket. But they wouldn't do that unless you're being unruly or there is too much people. After all, if you're on their grounds, if you get hurt they might become responsible.


15 May 2010 - 18:2831999
it sounds like health and safety is playing a part into it. sort of like covering their asses in case anything goes wrong. I kind of understand why they are saying that, but if you don't use the forums much and are just going down with a group of friends and then meet up with some more people to take some nice photos I can see you might be annoyed if you are told that you're not allowed to due to it not being registered. Nearly every photoshoot I have been involved in has been a spur of the moment thing, and that is what quite a lot of them are like.

I guess If it bothers people they can always do a shoot off site


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15 May 2010 - 20:2332007
although I can see where Excel are coming from, it still seems a bit messed up to me. But then there's nothing that can be done, so we'll all just need to see what happens.


15 May 2010 - 21:4132011
I dont think Expo mean any harm by this

Its a lot more work for them to publicise every meetup and photoshoot so i think their intentions are only good, trying to get cosplayers to include eachother in meets that may have seemed exclusive isnt a bad thing

I doubt they have enough staff to police this as well as run the event which will be bigger than ever before so try not to take odffence or be put off by it

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Last edited by HelloKitty (15 May 2010 - 21:41)
15 May 2010 - 22:1032014
Hmm, I cant say that I agree with the decisions that they have made but we've got no choice but to abide by them or risk getting kicked out
And I for one dont wish to argue as London Excel is the only convention that I can afford to go to unfortunatly... ><';


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15 May 2010 - 22:5032016
I have no problem with buying tickets to meet up etc, because,I intend to buy tickets anyway- but the publicising of meets confuses me and somewhat worries me, because expo caters for a wide audience,and publicising a meetup of,say, an anime or tv show which is likely to have younger (under 18) cosplayers, could leave people open to being targeted by unsavoury types...

On a lighter,but still concerned note, I wouldn't really want meet ups outside with close friends to be widely publicised, and it doesn't appear to say that publication on the website is optional...?


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15 May 2010 - 23:3732017
It's only ExCeL enforcing the rule, and Expo doing what they can to minimalise the damage -- as far as I can read into it they mean photoshoots as in gatherings, mass groups which do happen quite regularly and involve a massive number of people.. Three or four people randomly stopping for photos isn't going to pose any major H&S threat.

Any argument that involves "but I don't want to pay" is pretty much irrelevant, their grounds, their rules and given the amount of litter and chaos that goes on I'd pretty much fully expect that sort of policy..

..but wristbands are a terrible way of handling it, for cosplayers anyway. They're going to pretty much wreck any and all photos, since you can't ever take them off T_T


Stamps on exit were always going to be abused.. stamps on entry would be perfect, but sadly requires a distinctive, non-reversible and long lasting stamp, that'll be able to survive an entire day of stamping hands I can understand the move but really wish they'd picked another option..


16 May 2010 - 00:1932019
Meh. It not like tickets are expensive.

Make a sammich instead of paying a bazzilion squids for one there, and that'll pretty much cover it.


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16 May 2010 - 10:2232029
hurr hurr hurr

They just want to piss me off because I ordered a ticket for Saturday only. Now I'll have to buy my ticket for sunday over there. If I had known that a while ago I would've bought tickets for both the days at once.


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16 May 2010 - 11:0632031
Quote nert:
It's only ExCeL enforcing the rule, and Expo doing what they can to minimalise the damage -- as far as I can read into it they mean photoshoots as in gatherings, mass groups which do happen quite regularly and involve a massive number of people.. Three or four people randomly stopping for photos isn't going to pose any major H&S threat.

Any argument that involves "but I don't want to pay" is pretty much irrelevant, their grounds, their rules and given the amount of litter and chaos that goes on I'd pretty much fully expect that sort of policy..

..but wristbands are a terrible way of handling it, for cosplayers anyway. They're going to pretty much wreck any and all photos, since you can't ever take them off T_T


Stamps on exit were always going to be abused.. stamps on entry would be perfect, but sadly requires a distinctive, non-reversible and long lasting stamp, that'll be able to survive an entire day of stamping hands I can understand the move but really wish they'd picked another option..


Cosplayers could always try looping the wristband over their bag or around their ankle under trousers if you're wearing any! Just cos it's called a 'wrist'band doesn't necessarily mean it has to be worn on the wrist. It's not ideal but I imagine as long as they can see you have one then it should be okay...



Last edited by perfectly_purple (16 May 2010 - 11:07) Reason: Typo's
16 May 2010 - 11:1932036
Quote perfectly_purple:


Cosplayers could always try looping the wristband over their bag or around their ankle under trousers if you're wearing any! Just cos it's called a 'wrist'band doesn't necessarily mean it has to be worn on the wrist. It's not ideal but I imagine as long as they can see you have one then it should be okay...


Yeah this is my plan too, hopefully they dont actually put it on you. :/ I'm fine on sunday but on saturday I already have a careful balance of three different things on each wrist! Don't add more trouble to me! X.X


16 May 2010 - 12:0832039
Quote MoonLily:
Quote perfectly_purple:


Cosplayers could always try looping the wristband over their bag or around their ankle under trousers if you're wearing any! Just cos it's called a 'wrist'band doesn't necessarily mean it has to be worn on the wrist. It's not ideal but I imagine as long as they can see you have one then it should be okay...


Yeah this is my plan too, hopefully they dont actually put it on you. :/ I'm fine on sunday but on saturday I already have a careful balance of three different things on each wrist! Don't add more trouble to me! X.X


Bags/belts aren't allowed, they stated this on their forums. But they did mention that ankles'd be ok as long as you can show them quite quickly when needed.

Personally I don't mind the idea of wristbands and I also understand ExCel's concerns, but as I have said elsewhere, I think it was handled rather poorly by the Expo Admins. A lot of people on the Expo forums felt hard-done by and their attitude to their customers only made matters worse.

In fact, several people have now stated they think Expo actually made things sound worse than they were in general.


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16 May 2010 - 13:3032044
Eh, I don't want to get in trouble for posting this on the boards, but...

If you make the wristband as big as it'll go, as long as you don't have really big wrists/hands you can slip it on and off. That's what I plan to do if my sleeves don't cover it for photos.

Um, and it'll make it easier to swap then stamps would, in my opinion, but... I guess they didn't think about that.


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