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10 May 2010 - 08:0031620
see,I'm not so much insulted by it (before I cosplayed,to be honest, these would have been the things I would be thinking,I will openly admit that. Cosplaying has made me a better,more accepting person) But I am disgusted by the fact that it is absolutely horrible reporting. Misquotes, not even calling games by their correct names which could be researched in a matter of seconds. 'Crisis call'? come on,really, all it takes is one google search to rectify that,and theres no way that the cosplayer actually wrote down they were from 'crisis call' >> I even spotted a spelling mistake : / If I was to write to the newspaper in question, it would be about the terrible quality of the journalism, rather than anything else.


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10 May 2010 - 08:0831621
I remember my sister mentioning this to me when it came out saying "Oh your freaky friends are in the paper..." As this is how she addresses myself (As a freak) And other cosplayers.

However, reading the article has seriously annoyed me, the fact someone went to all that effort (attending the con, photo's ect ect) and then doesn't write a realistic article at all, and makes it totally bias. More though, as most people have mentioned, the mistakes and general ignorance of the journalist.

The fact that you have people writing articles like this however, then gives people like my sister, for example, even more ammo as we're made out to be weird dorks that think we're anime characters. Then again, if you google cosplay, this site comes up and it may enlighten some of these people, but still. Grr.


10 May 2010 - 08:1331622
At least they didn't go to the pub quiz or the yaoi pannel. Somehow I think that wouldn't have gone down well XD


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10 May 2010 - 09:3431629
Quote yami-no-neko:
At least they didn't go to the pub quiz or the yaoi pannel. Somehow I think that wouldn't have gone down well XD


Be thankful it wasn't the Daily Mail.


Anyway, parts of this thing look pretty close to libellous to me.


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10 May 2010 - 11:2731638
I don't think you can call anything in this libelous. Writers are allowed to give their opinion and as long as it isn't dressed up as fact they're protected by the law. Proving libel is notoriously difficult anyway.

I really think writing to the paper would be counterproductive. The article cannot be unwritten, unpublished or unread. It was a puff piece designed to fill in some pages and show off crazy nerds to an audience that would otherwise go 'cosplay whu?'

The spelling mistakes don't bother me that much. My name was misspelt but hey, everyone spells Thomson with a 'p' usually. The game was also misspelt but I doubt many people reading the article care that much about it.

I hope that this doesn't lead to an 'us versus them' mentality because I don't think (some) anime fans need another reason to develop an intrenched mentality of voluntary exclusion. It was something I think we can all laugh at, and not take all that seriously. And isn't that what cosplay is all about?


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10 May 2010 - 11:3531639
I guess they're bringing this up now because they have empty pages to fill and May Expo is coming up. =/

AFAIK lots of journalists who do "culture" sections often get no budget at all both in terms of time and money, so they'd go on their own or with a photographer and just write anything, because they aren't allowed the time to research on the subject or ask someone who knows about it to cast their eyes over the article before printing. (Can't even find the name of the journalist on the article. Huh.)

Of course that's no excuse for sterotyping people, general rudeness and not even getting names right. I'm so tempted to send the Telegraph a lmgtfy.com link. =/ But I guess a little bit of slack could be cut for the lack of background knowledge, at least.

Still. I wish they'd interviewed more people just to illustrate that we come from a wide spectrum of backgrounds and cosplay has brought us all together. I'd love to tell Mr Dench that I'm a civil engineer and see the look on his face then.



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10 May 2010 - 11:3731640
I didn't really find this that insulting. I have read FAR worse things on cosplayers and pretty much every other hobby I am into.


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10 May 2010 - 11:4431643
Yeah but, who'd want to read about that? Imagine you're an editor and somebody came to you with four pages about an anime convention. In it are details of how most cosplayers are nice, intelligent folk who have regular jobs and only dress up because they have a passion for the media. Well....we could have guessed that! An editor would throw that out. It would be no different to going to any other sort of fandom and asking about their backgrounds. I'm sure that a lot of table-top gamers are working on their PHD's, i'm sure some LARPers are getting their grade 10 piano. It's just not interesting enough to say 'oh here's a bunch of normal people with an eccentric hobby'. The fact is, most readers would want to read about the fandom at its worst. The most eccentric, the most ridiculous etc.

I doubt many people have had their opinion changed by that article. If you explained to people what cosplay was most would instantly regard it as the demain of the bullied, the nerdy, the less attractive. It's not going to change in 4 pages of a telegraph article.


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10 May 2010 - 11:4931644
Quote Hot Beef Injection:
Yeah but, who'd want to read about that? Imagine you're an editor and somebody came to you with four pages about an anime convention. In it are details of how most cosplayers are nice, intelligent folk who have regular jobs and only dress up because they have a passion for the media. Well....we could have guessed that! An editor would throw that out. It would be no different to going to any other sort of fandom and asking about their backgrounds. I'm sure that a lot of table-top gamers are working on their PHD's, i'm sure some LARPers are getting their grade 10 piano. It's just not interesting enough to say 'oh here's a bunch of normal people with an eccentric hobby'. The fact is, most readers would want to read about the fandom at its worst. The most eccentric, the most ridiculous etc.

I doubt many people have had their opinion changed by that article. If you explained to people what cosplay was most would instantly regard it as the demain of the bullied, the nerdy, the less attractive. It's not going to change in 4 pages of a telegraph article.


I totally see your point, it's very true that it's basically "what sells" rather than "what's true". And this really illustrate the sad state the media is in. Give it a few more years and broadsheet will read like today's Heat magazine.

But what you said about "It's not going to change in 4 pages of a telegraph article"... you're right it's not going to change. I'd rather they didn't go out of their way to reaffirm the idea, though.


10 May 2010 - 18:4031685
Quote Hot Beef Injection:
I don't think you can call anything in this libelous. Writers are allowed to give their opinion and as long as it isn't dressed up as fact they're protected by the law. Proving libel is notoriously difficult anyway.

I really think writing to the paper would be counterproductive. The article cannot be unwritten, unpublished or unread. It was a puff piece designed to fill in some pages and show off crazy nerds to an audience that would otherwise go 'cosplay whu?'

The spelling mistakes don't bother me that much. My name was misspelt but hey, everyone spells Thomson with a 'p' usually. The game was also misspelt but I doubt many people reading the article care that much about it.

I hope that this doesn't lead to an 'us versus them' mentality because I don't think (some) anime fans need another reason to develop an intrenched mentality of voluntary exclusion. It was something I think we can all laugh at, and not take all that seriously. And isn't that what cosplay is all about?


That is very true. We don't want the whole 'us v them' situation.

I've been interviewed alot for some reason or another and in neaerly all cases the interview was bad (misquoted or poorly writtern). I tend to just laugh it off. Afterall, todays headlines is tomorrow's lining for fish and chips. Or in my case matrieal for wings. XD


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10 May 2010 - 21:2831707
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Its a broadsheet......

Their editorial standards barely raise them above tabloid level in my opinion, but whatever.

Quote Hot Beef Injection:
Proving libel is notoriously difficult anyway.

Feh, libel goes through the UK courts system extremely frequently. It's actually very, very easy to bring a charge of libel against someone in the UK because you as the plaintiff don't have to present any proof that you were libelled. The burden of proof is on the company or individual you are bringing the charge against.

That said, you can't just sue someone because they said something about you that you don't like or which was unflattering - there are certain conditions that have to be met (although these conditions are a little more complicated than "I was just expressing my opinion". There was nothing in the Telegraph article that actually was libellous, or even potentially libellous. It was just mean-spirited and clearly written with an agenda of "Wow, these people are weird! Look how weird they all are! Ho ho ho!"


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Last edited by Sillabub (10 May 2010 - 21:28)
14 Aug 2010 - 02:2238683
Though it's not the worst thing I've read/heard about us, this article certainly strikes me as a totally unfair impression of cosplayers as a whole. The journalist who wrote it clearly made no real effort to research or to really listen to what people had to say. It's sad really.



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23 Aug 2010 - 15:0839196
To be honest the way its spoken about it seems all to biased. Showing she is not a very good news reporter from the begining. Also if she is going to report about it and take a bad outlook on it she could of atleast done a decent job i mean come on, Crisis call? I sujest she does atleast some background, i mean wikipeadia is more helpful than that poor excuse of a report.
I'v noticed alot of adults are more open to it if somebody related or a friend does it, my dad would most likely think the same if i was not a cosplayer.
This shows media likes to give a bad outlook on things taht they do not understand or know about. The interview with Tab made me laugh XD


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Last edited by Om_nom_nom (23 Aug 2010 - 15:16)
23 Aug 2010 - 16:3139204
I've seen so many articles like this over the years at least its not like the articles we used to get when anime first landed in the UK.

yeah its a little depressing and disappointed but it could be worse. I spoke the reporter in question and like some one already said she seemed to be enjoying it just out of her depth. I just think like most people not part of our scan they simply don't get it the same way we don't get things like football. The chances are her editor properly got her to change it so it poked more fun at us as that's what normal people like to read

My advise don't let it bother you we know normal people don't get it and make fun of us we don't do it for them we do it because we love it and that's something we need to remember when reading stuff like this


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24 Aug 2010 - 07:5739229
yeah like if you work in a fudge factory your gonna be called a fudge-packer *southpark* journalists just take every opportunity to insult what they dont understand especialy tory papers if you had said "management" i bet they wouldn't have misquoted you


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