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09 May 2010 - 21:3931577
guys guys i know it was quite offensive to some but we just have to remember, its a satirical article, it's just a piss take

They did it on westcountry 'Cotswald olimpicks' just describing them all as cider drinking farmers lol and they kinda took it as a joke.

as long as we're all having fun thats what counts at the end of the day and not what people write or think of us, we all knew what people thought of us in the first place, it comes as no shock , well to me that all theyve done is written down what everyone knew anyway.

as the legendary song goes

"RELAX,dont do it,when you want to go to it, RELAX"


09 May 2010 - 21:4431579
I think we all know what time it is....






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09 May 2010 - 21:4731580
Drama llama is now boarding
Rows A to F please have your tickets ready


09 May 2010 - 21:4831581
Next stop the Daily Telegraph!


09 May 2010 - 22:1131583
Quote Birthdayboy:
I remeber the woman who interviewed me, she said she was a freelance journalist writing for the telegraph. She did say that the story was going to appear around 2 weeks after the con.

Looking at the article its clear that it may have been re-written to get to a express a certain point, and that would at least explain the extreme delay on this article.

I am featured in this article to my horror, mainly as I am described in some very degority terms. And also to say that I didn't know what I was cosplaying is a bit silly; even though I explained it to her and we did talk for sometime about Bleach.


One of my favourite daft comments was describing Bleach as some long-forgotten videogame!

And Reiss, I agree we shouldn't be going after them with torches and pitchforks but your idea that it's satire is pretty naive ^^;


09 May 2010 - 22:1731585
Quote kiichan:
Quote Birthdayboy:
I remeber the woman who interviewed me, she said she was a freelance journalist writing for the telegraph. She did say that the story was going to appear around 2 weeks after the con.

Looking at the article its clear that it may have been re-written to get to a express a certain point, and that would at least explain the extreme delay on this article.

I am featured in this article to my horror, mainly as I am described in some very degority terms. And also to say that I didn't know what I was cosplaying is a bit silly; even though I explained it to her and we did talk for sometime about Bleach.


One of my favourite daft comments was describing Bleach as some long-forgotten videogame!

And Reiss, I agree we shouldn't be going after them with torches and pitchforks but your idea that it's satire is pretty naive ^^;


i take that it was a bit near the mark hun, but i can still see the humour.


09 May 2010 - 22:2031587
Quote kiichan:
Quote Birthdayboy:
I remeber the woman who interviewed me, she said she was a freelance journalist writing for the telegraph. She did say that the story was going to appear around 2 weeks after the con.

Looking at the article its clear that it may have been re-written to get to a express a certain point, and that would at least explain the extreme delay on this article.

I am featured in this article to my horror, mainly as I am described in some very degority terms. And also to say that I didn't know what I was cosplaying is a bit silly; even though I explained it to her and we did talk for sometime about Bleach.


One of my favourite daft comments was describing Bleach as some long-forgotten videogame!

And Reiss, I agree we shouldn't be going after them with torches and pitchforks but your idea that it's satire is pretty naive ^^;


Satire to my mind is supposed to be witty and funny... she clearly needs to go back to school or at least spend a proper day with half the con goers i know! there are some complete masters of the art out there! *sage nod*

I agree with you reiss- fuck their broadsheet bulcrappery and lets crack on- now where are my sewing scissors, copy of hentai weekly and my copy of bleach for idiots???



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09 May 2010 - 22:2531588
"I agree with you reiss- fuck their broadsheet bulcrappery and lets crack on- now where are my sewing scissors, copy of hentai weekly and my copy of bleach for idiots???"

lmao there at my house



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09 May 2010 - 22:2531589
Heh I'm featured as Creed; got a phonecall this morning from my mum saying she was going to send me it before she realised i was in the photos, which surprised me given i recall the photographer saying assume a month or so for anything to appear.

It's somewhat with a lack of surprise I see that as usual any article in the main media featuring cosplay or anime as the main topic is still attempting to paint us all as introverted socially awkward freaks on the sidelines of society - afterall we're obviously worse than the drunken masses obsessing over football because we spend large amounts of money on being creative. I do find it slightly amusing the suggestion in how its written that we all spend every weekend in costumes, rather than the more accurate range of 1 to 8 weekends a year.

Apparently the extended family all read the Telegraph and have no idea i spend some of my free time doing cosplay....after the phrasing of that article it'll be great fun trying to explain to them that no the article isnt in fact accurate or a true reflection of such events.


09 May 2010 - 22:3531590
It reminds me of when I was in High School and I was in Air Scouts, didn't tell anyone as it was seen as 'geeky' and would just earn me stick.

Took part in a model aircraft competition with my troop in Swindon and by some fluke won it. Had my photo taken with some very important people from BAE systems etc (apperently anyway, I had no idea who they were!). My picture taken shaking someones hand. Didn't think anything of it, as Swindom is miles away from Manchester.

All was well ntil a fortnight later when one of my class brought the local paper in and I was on page 6 with an A5 photo.....


09 May 2010 - 22:4931592
Quote ryaoki:
i take that it was a bit near the mark hun, but i can still see the humour.

Even if you're being good-humoured about it, it's a bit of a stretch to say it's a satirical article. If anything, if it is "satire" then it's even more mean-spirited in the way it handles the various people it interviews.

The journalist had a very clear agenda and set out to only talk to people who would reinforce that agenda instead of doing anything vaguely investigative, and I find that quite depressing (but not enormously surprising from a tabloid rag like the Telegraph).

Although I was amused to see my legs in one of the photos XD


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09 May 2010 - 22:5331593
Quote Sillabub:

(but not enormously surprising from a tabloid rag like the Telegraph).

Its a broadsheet......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph



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09 May 2010 - 22:5331594
The article just sceams that the person that wrote it didnt really wanna be there, and didnt wanna even make an effort to understand it. i wouldnt say its offensive parse (except to the Bleach cosplayer), but just the effort wasnt there, so she stuck anything in half heartedly.

the main thing that strikes me though, is that the article is very poorly written. grammatical errors and sentences that make no sense abound! that brings the whole article down. it sounds like its written by a 10 year old, there is no professional gloss about it.

but hey ho, all publicity is good publicity ne?


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09 May 2010 - 23:0131598
come on now guys ^^

just think may expo is so close and it will bring us all together so we shouldnt let an article bring us down.......whats important is that we all apreciate each other and we know what we are doing ^^ after all, everyone makes judgement its something that cant be helped but the community is growing with more people, we should be proud of that

people misunderstand about what this means to us, some to show of skill, creavitity and intelegence and to make friends.....plus its not like we are the only country that cosplays.........theres so so so many

so come on now just think of the fun we will have at the end of May


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09 May 2010 - 23:1631601
I met her while I was at Aya, she seemed to be really enjoying the event, just totally out of depth in terms of what was going on -- we're not going to get a paper to have a journalist handy who understands it all, and for something they only wrote up 9 months later I doubt they'll have any care for doing more research

I've talked to a few people who're looking out-of-depth at cons, usually either staying onsite for something else or dropping off/picking up their offspring or something and there's a real wall of comprehension to get past so I'm not surprised.. I don't much care for the cosplay = escapism idea, aside from mascot/fursuit costumes I don't know anyone who particularly goes around acting in character but then it's.. so wait, you spend ages making these, then just wear them, and.. just hang out normally? ..but only at special events?


XD

tbh it's the best kind of article I'd have expect to have written, it wasn't particularly negative just low on clued-in factor and loose on facts. Looking at it, it seems to have really zoomed in on people in fursuits/masks and full body makeup - I'm guessing mostly out of OOH THATS EVEN MORE DIFFERENT factor XD


Also not convinced where the whole part about people coming to blows comes from.. Hrm.

Or I'm just sads they didn't use any of the photos I had to spend ages specially taking and putting together for them


09 May 2010 - 23:1931602
Quote nert:

Also not convinced where the whole part about people coming to blows comes from.. Hrm.

Its the first i've ever heard of anything like that, and we all know how quickly gossip travels around such a close-knit community. If X really had hit Y i'm sure it would have been all over the internets in the Aya forums or spilling out in places like 4chan, rather than hearing about it 9 months afterwards from a clearly out of place source...


09 May 2010 - 23:3431604
I must be getting old.
What the heck does 'festishisasion' mean?
It's not in any dictionary but seems to be used in a multitude of articles, which don't aid me in gleaning its meaning.
Is this some commonly used term that I have never been privvy to?


09 May 2010 - 23:4431605
Quote Ninodog:
I must be getting old.
What the heck does 'festishisasion' mean?
It's not in any dictionary but seems to be used in a multitude of articles, which don't aid me in gleaning its meaning.
Is this some commonly used term that I have never been privvy to?


no, it's just another made up word because most journos/writers today don't know what a dictionary or thesaurus is.


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09 May 2010 - 23:4531606
Quote Ninodog:
I must be getting old.
What the heck does 'festishisasion' mean?
It's not in any dictionary but seems to be used in a multitude of articles, which don't aid me in gleaning its meaning.
Is this some commonly used term that I have never been privvy to?



Fetishsization means to fetishise something, the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to mundane or inanimate objects. Unless the reporter meant sexual fetishism in which case the entire report insinuates darker undertones to cosplay.



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09 May 2010 - 23:5131608
Quote Leadmill:
Quote Ninodog:
I must be getting old.
What the heck does 'festishisasion' mean?
It's not in any dictionary but seems to be used in a multitude of articles, which don't aid me in gleaning its meaning.
Is this some commonly used term that I have never been privvy to?



Fetishsization means to fetishise something, the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to mundane or inanimate objects. Unless the reporter meant sexual fetishism in which case the entire report insinuates darker undertones to cosplay.


So it's just a mispelling?

I thought that it was some pretentious port-manteau that I couldn't derive.



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09 May 2010 - 23:5331610
Quote Ninodog:
Quote Leadmill:
Quote Ninodog:
I must be getting old.
What the heck does 'festishisasion' mean?
It's not in any dictionary but seems to be used in a multitude of articles, which don't aid me in gleaning its meaning.
Is this some commonly used term that I have never been privvy to?



Fetishsization means to fetishise something, the attribution of religious or mystical qualities to mundane or inanimate objects. Unless the reporter meant sexual fetishism in which case the entire report insinuates darker undertones to cosplay.


So it's just a mispelling?

It would appear so, it does seem quality control has declined. Considering the article has probably been sat on some sub editors desk for god knows how long, its hard to believe no one bothered to spell check it.


10 May 2010 - 00:5831612
I am disappoint.

I don't see the point in being so snide. It's obvious to me that there was no genuine interest in the cosplayers at all. If I'm honest, I don't think I've never had a negative reaction when I've told someone I cosplay, but they're not always positive, either. This just isn't helping at all, especially like as others have mentioned, it's only a fringe hobby that is slowly growing in popularity.

What do people want to achieve by writing stuff like this? 'They're already weird and geeky, lets isolate them more by putting another odd hobby in a bad light'.... *le sigh*


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10 May 2010 - 02:1831614
I don't think it's worth anybodys time being too upset by misquotes or personal insults. First of all they're not really personal insults per se, I mean the writer wasn't exactly doing character assassinations. Secondly, I actually really enjoyed reading an article from an 'outsiders' point of view. I mean anybody could write a con review full of gushing praise and intimate knowledge but I think it's interesting to read something that has been written by somebody with a cold, objective eye

I don't think most people wouldn't be cynical about going to any kind of event that they weren't familiar with, especially for something as niche as cosplay. I mean if I had to write four pages on a LARP weekend without any prior knowledge I can't pretend I wouldn't write something scathing, simply because it's not my cup of tea, and I wouldn't know where to begin.

Thirdly, remember their target audience. The people reading this want to read a story that reeks of 'look at these nerds, they're mad, they've got no shame!' I mean if I was reading an article about a Star Wars wedding all i'd be interested in was the facepalm-inducing moments, not the intimate backstory of the bride and groom

Overall, I was entertained by it. Even if they spelt my name wrong and the game was wrong too. I wasn't sober when I wrote on his clipboard, but I know how to spell my own name!

p.s Hi, first post


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10 May 2010 - 08:0031616
I think a couple of stern (not angry) letters are still in order though. It seems to be a badly researched and nastily written piece.

This is almost as bad as the FFXII launch in CVG ( I was on the receiving end on that one).


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10 May 2010 - 08:4931619
People will always criticise what they don't understand. It's a sad fact that they will try and knock it down because it isn't in their world; they've never heard of it. So as far as they are concerned, it is weird


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