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10 Feb 2010 - 16:1227058
British Cosplayer/Singer/Dancer Makes It Big In Japan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/isle_of_man/8506664.stm

I saw an article about this on the regional news last night. It went through how one of the reasons she's become so very popular in Japan is because she cosplays.

There was a lot of debate a while ago on hear about how British cosplayers never get any recognition...

Guess this goes to show that maybe we are doing =D

Edit: I've found the video of the news article too for anyone interested

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/isleofman/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8507000/8507934.stm



Last edited by Hannah-Kiwii (10 Feb 2010 - 16:16)
10 Feb 2010 - 16:2327060
kudos to her



Last edited by ryaoki (10 Feb 2010 - 17:08)
10 Feb 2010 - 17:0627061
I wonder if she was actually doing it for recognition or like a lot of famous people got noticed via the power of the internet...Either way I'm sure I've heard her name before but here's a quick clip of another severn from various places:
Crunchyroll (Great site)


10 Feb 2010 - 17:2927062
I think the girl from England in that video is the same girl, actually.


10 Feb 2010 - 17:5227063
I'm not quite sure if I want the UK associated with acting like a spack infront of a webcam...

I feel like I'm going to play the devils advocate here but she's gained popularity by putting on a japanese accent and dancing to a Japanese song...she's not being picked up because of her costume skill or actual dancing ability...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0H7ReHB2as

If this is what can make people rich and famous I weep for our wasted talent.


10 Feb 2010 - 18:0027064
Yeah she's the first one of eight (hence me saying another severn)...but well spotted I'm sure I've seen a fair few videos of her dotted around.

Nice one on that last link you posted it though does explain a bit more about her and sounds like she didn't set out looking for fame.


10 Feb 2010 - 18:1927066
Quote Shenny:

I feel like I'm going to play the devils advocate here but she's gained popularity by putting on a japanese accent and dancing to a Japanese song...she's not being picked up because of her costume skill or actual dancing ability...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0H7ReHB2as

If this is what can make people rich and famous I weep for our wasted talent.


I gotta admit you got a pretty good point, but I think we've got to accept the internet has made it possible for literally anyone to become reasonably famous relatively easily. In a lot of cases either because they're either really good or really bad at something! ^_^

The thing is once it's posted that's it you have almost no control over it or how people view it.

What does everyone else think if something you did ended up taking off online would you take your 15 minutes of fame (knowing your probably just a fad for a few months) or would you try and shy any from it? (Although in some cases this had made people even more notorious)


10 Feb 2010 - 19:0727068
Fail -
I found out about her a long time ago =/ my general opinion is fail =/

She has no dancing ability, little singing ability.. and yet... here we have her. Of course, she is marginally better than Magibon.

I had this discussion a while ago with my friends XD Do we want to be represented by her, no thanks =X I find it embarrassing! ; ;

However, something that does make me feel better, is that if you go to the Amazon.jp website and look at her DVD you can buy other western Japanified porn- I mean DVDs. That's all she is, an idol for jp men to drool over =/ And if you look up her "concerts" in Japan, it's populated almost totally with JP men 20-40.

If only she had some talent like Himeka!



Last edited by Jenivix (10 Feb 2010 - 19:10)
10 Feb 2010 - 19:1627069
I just saw this on the regional news. I figured someone on here would have opinions on it. I even wondered if she's a member of the forum. But she is probably too busy dancing round the Harajuku shopping district to bother posting anymore. The local newsreaders looked pretty mystifyed as to quite what they were looking at. I suppose the japanese just really dig stuff that confuses the hell outta everybody else.

She wasn't that polished but fair play to her.


10 Feb 2010 - 19:4627073
I fore see a large wash of jeliousy from a lot of us cosplayers including myself.
Even if you are here going "ohhh well done to her" secretly inside you are thinking "¬¬ FML" .

And thats exactly what i am going to do... *straightens tie*

OHHH WOW!!!! THATS SO COOL!!! I HOPE SHE DOES WELL IN JAPAN!!!



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10 Feb 2010 - 21:0727077
I don't exactly see any issues
she never posted the videos for such a reason, and if they like her
then fair doos

I hope she continues to recieve support



Last edited by Emzone (10 Feb 2010 - 21:10)
10 Feb 2010 - 21:2327079
Um good for her if people like her leave her to it
But will they think the same when shes like in her 20s, and doesnt have such a cutie vibe going on..


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10 Feb 2010 - 21:5327082
I'm pretty shocked at how people are being so awful about this. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is? Good for her for getting a bit of fame. What she does with it is up to her, me personally I'd be thinking how awesome any form of cash benefit would be great for university when I was older but meh, thats me. xD

Its really easy to say 'Oh screw her' and whine about it saying shes not very good, but how many people do you see at cons and in skits dancing and singing badly and everyone clapping like seals? Their are quite a few people who got fame from cosplay (be it online fame or other forms of media) and are actually pretty rubbish costume wise and skit wise (and have horrid personalities to boot)that this comes as no surprise to me that someone got a bit of fame from doing something for fun.

Rather than criticise the girl, surely people should be criticising the people that watch her for supposedly 'wrong' reasons? I'm pretty sure that she didn't ask for these people to watch her. Considering her father is in the police force, I doubt he's going to let his daughter do anything she shouldn't. Dancing on a stage is hardly explicit (unless you make it so), and while it may appeal to some older men, shes not actually meaning it to, so why hate on some fourteen year old? I'm sure this hobby was for fun at some point, when I first got into it around 2006/2007. Not everyone is out to perv on kids.

While one person can often be the stereotype for a group, I doubt this will happen because some fourteen year old got a bit of fame for doing something she enjoys. Okay, maybe it seems silly to some, but shes fourteen at the end of the day and shes simply mimicking what shes read and seen. I mean, lets face it, if a normal person were to walk into a con and see lots of people running around and screaming in costume, they'd think '....WTF? O_o' and stereotype most people there as being screaming nutjobs, they'd probably not go out of their way to find some mature, calmer cosplayers. I've had that happen myself in Premier Inn, some guy in the lift looked at us like we were crazy and went on to say 'What the hell are you doing? Everyone is screaming and going crazy.' And even though we explained it to him, this guy still was boggle eyed and weary of us, so I doubt some fourteen year old is going to make everyone seem worse than what they supposedly are.

Personally, if it were me, i'd take that moment of fame and use it to better myself. Selfish maybe, but who wouldn't? X3


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10 Feb 2010 - 22:2127085
Quote ryaoki:
kudos to her

Quote Member-XI:
I'm pretty shocked at how people are being so awful about this. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is? Good for her for getting a bit of fame.
I agree with both these people. I think it is absolutely awful how nasty some people can be. This is a 14 year old girl just doing what she loves and along the way has got some of her dreams granted. Imagine if it was your little sister! I think she is doing very well to live her dream and to keep up her education, and I would wish for such an oppotunity for my sister to get her dream.

I for one know how the TV/News can completely make you look different and twist the words you say. I am wishing her well.

By the way, everyone here knows she has an account on this site, right?

edit Talking to my friend I just realised I've not actually my view of said I don't like the videos as it's not my cup of tea! Nor do I like the music, I'm not really a fan of J-pop or whatever this is. LOL oops.

edit x 2 I will apogise to silver-vixi and delete this rude message I wrote as I didn't mean it, I'm sorry.



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10 Feb 2010 - 22:4027090
Idoru
I saw the news article on her and a couple of Yutube vids and then the thread here.
Good luck to her, a sweet kid having a bit of fun. Japan is famed for its Idol culture, cute girls of no particular talent, and I don't mean that in a nasty way, who recieve massive admiration.Moe and Kawai are japanese words with no real English equivalent. And I get the impression that it's generaly a lot more innocent than we readily believe in our cynical culture.
One of the quickest ways to appeal to anyone is to flatter them, and as Confucious says "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
Pehaps the real driving force behind the negative comments is our old friend the green eyed monster of jealousy, " It should have been me"!!!


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10 Feb 2010 - 22:5327095
TBH I dont find it anything special, but then again that appeals to those in Japan. They LIKE to see people try to achieve what they are good at and they like people making fools of themselves thats why their idea of a laugh is tossing a sleeping person down a water slide in their beds (I did laugh it it but shhh).

I hope the appeal with her lasts cause if I thought I'd get to go to Japan by dancing like a well moron, I think I'd quite happily do so, she's struck it lucky so I hope her luck continues and she enjoys it as much as she can.


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10 Feb 2010 - 22:5627096
Quote Raine:
TBH I dont find it anything special, but then again that appeals to those in Japan. They LIKE to see people try to achieve what they are good at and they like people making fools of themselves thats why their idea of a laugh is tossing a sleeping person down a water slide in their beds (I did laugh it it but shhh).

I hope the appeal with her lasts cause if I thought I'd get to go to Japan by dancing like a well moron, I think I'd quite happily do so, she's struck it lucky so I hope her luck continues and she enjoys it as much as she can.




Agreed ^__^
I dont see how she really puts across the message of cosplay, but silly dancing yes.
And i do laugh at the silly things they put people through, but they are damn funny who couldnt >_<


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10 Feb 2010 - 23:0227098
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I think this is incredibly rude. You are 21 years old. You are an adult, talking about a CHILD. How would you like it if someone posted your cosplay and wrote about how much you "failed", when it's something you do for fun? She is doing it for fun.

(Maybe I am getting overprotective as my sister is 15 and studying at a dance school...)


My opinion is my opinion.

I have danced, I still dance and I understand what is expected from dance. Control and discipline is highly important. I may not be able to make it since I'll never be the right build for Ballet, but I'm still able to be examined at a senior level. She has no muscle control and little dancing talent.

There are people out there brimming with talent, lots younger, who will never get this kind of exposure, who actually deserve it!

This fame is misplaced, mainly because her fame has been generated by pervs, no offense, but I don't want to be represented by someone who's famous because of these older lolita loving guys thinking a child is cute to the point of perversion.

It's not an innocent fame, it's not a fame for talent's sake it's a fame which when it boils down to it, is all about sex. A sexual desire for a 14 year old girl.

My brother is 15 - your point? I wouldn't want him doing something like that, I wouldn't want a sister doing something like that.

Amazon DVD page

Look at the related buys or maybe you'd like to take a look at her concert footage :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4xfeQNoszA&feature=related

Look at the audience.

Sorry, but I may be 21, but I'm still going to exercise my right of an opinion. Would it have made any difference if I was 16 and saying this? No. She and her parents have put her in the public domain, and she has to deal with people not liking her, her fans have to deal with it to.



Last edited by Jenivix (10 Feb 2010 - 23:06)
10 Feb 2010 - 23:1427105
Pft, I dont like it. I dont find her dancing all that good as I have seen better and she doesnt REALLY cosplay but I still wish her luck.
She maybe young but she isnt that young when girls her age n as young as 12 are having babies. She at least is doing something harmless and cant result in long lasting problems. When and if Japan gets bored of her she'll be back to a normal life, let her enjoy it whilst she can.


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10 Feb 2010 - 23:3527109
There is no problem with what she's doing but I feel that the media may have mislead her and possibly her parents on what exactly is going on here.

If you were 14 would you really like a group of men between the ages of 20 to 40 idolising you? As some sort of paragon of purity? It may be free of deviation but I find it rather creepy even without 'moe' being associated with anything untoward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf6_6aqlnVQ#t=2m04s

http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=curej

http://www.comixology.com/articles/265/Moe-The-Cult-of-the-Child


11 Feb 2010 - 00:0227110
Geez people get famous all the time from the internet and this young girl was not seeking it, only micking the thing she loves so why put her down? It is nice to see someone get a lucky break in this day and age so I think some cosplayers are jelous its not them getting a record deal in Japan or whatever.
You would think something as a cosplay community which is, to be fair still young in this country would support a 14 year old girl like this and wish her every success and be happy for her.
It's always weird how internet people can get famous but this is her lucky break so you should let her have it because she seems like a nice girl and reguardless of talent, if she is making people happy thats all that counts.


11 Feb 2010 - 00:3727112
Tbh I don't think her popularity has anything to do with her singing, dancing or cosplay abilities, its a kid having a bit of fun, there are plenty of other videos on you-tube that are completely pointless with no real substance that are loved for a couple of years and then forgotten about,

are you saying that if a silly video of you larking about with your friends got put on you-tube and became massively famous overnight you wouldn't take advantage???

come on, this girl is 14 and being PAID to go to JAPAN to have fun and perform routines

note: 14!!! PAID!!!! JAPAN!!!!

would you rather bring back happy slapping or the crazy frog???


11 Feb 2010 - 02:5627115
For a start, I don't see this as British cosplayers getting recognition. I wouldn't even consider Beckii Cruel to be a cosplayer. I see cosplay as trying to look like the character, it's not just about simply putting on a costume and hey presto, you're the character. She didn't even look like an anime fan to me either, I would have thought she'd have had at least some anime/manga related stuff in her room if she was a fan.

It's all too easy for people to jump to the conclusion that people who don't like her are jealous, but even if the concept of being known in Japan is a nice one, I think I'd personally rather be known for something a little more credible than videos I made in my bedroom.

From my experience of being in Japan, foreigners are considered cool to a certain extent. I even got asked to try out by a talent agency when I was there and I know others who've worked with talent agencies too. If someone pretty average like me can get asked to do that, then someone looking cute and dancing getting known doesn't surprise me at all.

I saw this on TV a few hours ago and I can't say I really agree with their reporting. The claim that she's being popular because she "looks like an anime character" doesn't really stand up at all. Like I said at the beginning, I definitely don't think of her as a cosplayer - there are plenty of people on here who make a lot more effort and look a lot more in character than her. I don't think people should overestimate the popularity of anime/manga in Japan either, not everyone cares about it and some people's interest only goes as far as the bigger anime (e.g. Studio Ghibli productions). It bothers me that stories like this could get people thinking that Japan is some kind of anime/manga mecca, when it's not. I don't think they should have presented her as some kind of superstar in Japan - not everyone is into the anime culture and it's not like idols are something particularly rare or special over there anyway.



Last edited by Kai (11 Feb 2010 - 02:56)
11 Feb 2010 - 20:2027148
WOW This debate got pretty heated over night

...Seems like there's a few valid points here but I think a lot of what's been said is just a sad reflection on the way society seems to be going...Seems like more and more, mainstream media is trying to get us terrified of everything and now people tend to jump to the worst assumptionions about others. (I'm not saying some of these dangers don't exist but in most cases it's made out to be much more common than it is).

It's the same kind of political correctness gone mad that says that a teacher giving a kid a pat on the back must be a pervert or in this case there must be something seriously wrong with all of those guys at Enta Matsuri.

But hang on a sec, she wasn't the only act there and I wouldn't be suprised if the exact same guys weren't still there before and after watching a presentation for a new game or a trailer for an up coming film. (In fact I felt a little bad that most didn't seem bothered)

As for criticisms on the performance:
Watch the whole thing, it's great! ^_^
Is this guy a great performer? Maybe not
Did this make me smile and feel good inside? Hell yeah!

Now he's another example of a minor internet celebrity and I know if I saw a poster saying this guy was on stage nearby I'd go and take a few pictures.

At the end of the day you can choose to view things negatively or you can choose to view things positively
...I know which I'd rather do


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