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16 Jan 2010 - 18:1725513
Dark cloud looming over UK Cosplay!?
Okay guys!
In this month's Cosplay Corner of NEO the write-up was somewhat depressing...!

"Cosplay in the UK has a dark threat looming on the horizon. It's already descended upon Japan, USA, and some parts of Europe - and now we're the next target.
This threat is the "serious business" plague, a terrifying blight that turns fun-loving cosplayers against each other, that makes events into competitive battlegrounds, and ultimately results in a lot of jealousy, bitterness and hatred."


BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THE FELLOWS OF COSPLAYISLAND AND BRITISH COSPLAYERS!!!

The article then follows with a set of rules/guidlines to help stop this demon! D<

"10) Don't worry about the criticism of anonymous. Some people just like to say mean stuff; don't sweat it, but don't go looking for it, either. If you're having fun then that's what matters. Critique should be constructive, and at least polite.
9) Competition is not the be-all and end-all of cosplay. If you don't win a contest or masquerade, don't make a big deal about it. We all have different opinions and views.
8) Cosplayers are just people. It doesn't matter if they are a guest from overseas or a UK cosplayer who has been around for a bit, cosplayers are still people, so treat them with respect. Don't feel to intimidated to chat to them either! A nice "hello" could be the start of a new friendship - with any cosplayer.
7)Cosplay websites are not MySpace/Facebook/LiveJournal. Cosplay is about making and wearing costumes, and therefore so are the websites. Keep the cosplay websites for talking about the hobby, not the people."


They're then continued in the next issue, me thinks.

CONGRATS TO MOONLILY, GAZ, LITTLEGEEKY, MADAINSARI, KUROI RYU & RAVEN KAVANAH FOR HAVING THEIR AWESOME "The World Ends With You" GROUP COSPLAY PHOTO! ;D


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16 Jan 2010 - 18:3525515
Wow what a morbid mouthful tbh I don't think I have nearly enough skill for this to affect me very much, a lot of the symptoms on that list are the traits in cosplayers I fear the most when I go to cons *the whole man alive peoples outfits here far outweigh the material I have haphazardly hanging from my body sort of thing* O_o I don't see them that much however in fact at most cons hardly ever ^.- I frankly don't think Britain as a nation of people have these tendencies much, I think the overcast weather tends to inject a relaxed atmosphere in most things

America generally takes things a little to seriously, not always a bad thing but it tends to sap the fun out of things slightly.

I don't think you would be able to find a handful of people on this site who display any of the qualities listed its why I enjoy the site so much but fingers crossed either way


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16 Jan 2010 - 18:4525518
Quote ZeroSilence:

CONGRATS TO MOONLILY, GAZ, LITTLEGEEKY, MADAINSARI, KUROI RYU & RAVEN KAVANAH FOR HAVING THEIR AWESOME "The World Ends With You" GROUP COSPLAY PHOTO! ;D


Aha! Thanks very much! ^_^

As for the article...I do think it's relevant cause tbh I have noticed this kind of thing happening more often recently and it's something i've had to face myself. Thankfully these kind of people/situations are very much in the minority and thats what makes them stand out in my mind. You get a bit of bitchyness in any social hobby so it's to be expected really. :/


16 Jan 2010 - 19:0725522
Mark's right, definitely. I've even felt it creep into myself and some of my friends as well and we noticed it before brushing it aside. It is a difficult one though, especially trying to balance natural competetiveness with the love of cosplaying for fun!

It's definitely interesting to read and seems quite true to me.


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16 Jan 2010 - 19:1825524
it depends on how you look at it, and the individuals concerned. a higher rate of competetivness will always lead to people backbiting and getting superiority complexes about their work, to the detriment of people who perhaps dont have the expert skills, or are new to the scene. this means that the higher the competetivness, then the more people will be put off joining in with the fun, as they will fear repercussions and ridicule. it is certainly something that we cannot let get out of control, and we really must watch out for. i think though, that this can be found in almost all hobbies and communities, and though it is a bad thing we certainly dont want, will not be unique to our group.

however, i do feel that in a way, more competetivness will bring great benefits to the hobby as well. it will give people more to aim for, more will to climb the ladder as it were, and get us more recognised on the international cosplay stage. i feel a more structured approach to cosplay in this country would be of benefit to us.

so i feel that there will certainly be benefits, but they do unfortunatly come with unwanted side effects, which we really dont want! i feel as if we are slowly starting to turn down that road that will lead us to a more structured system more like Japan and America, and so i guess its not something we can avoid, its just the way things go. at the moment, what we have is nice. we have a lovely community with very few bad eggs. i dont think ive ever come across a nasty cosplayer, as everyone is so accepting and lovely, and always ready to praise even the most basic of costumes. and this is a good thing, and shows the british heart! we really need to keep hold of this, as its one of the best things about the current UK cosplay stage!

i hope that made some sort of sense XD


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16 Jan 2010 - 19:2625525
I put up a response to this thread. However, in hindsight it will probably just look like I'm slagging off Mark and lead to a pointless argument, which is not my intention. So, I've edited my post.


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Last edited by Orihime (16 Jan 2010 - 19:51) Reason: will probably cause an argument
16 Jan 2010 - 19:5125526
Right, just want to say that I'm keeping an eye on this thread. I'd like it to be discussing the article itself rather than the person who wrote it please.


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16 Jan 2010 - 19:5325527
Yeah fair enough Sean, have edited my post. It was probably a little harsh anyway lol


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16 Jan 2010 - 19:5625528
ICEBERG RIGHT AHEAD!


16 Jan 2010 - 19:5625529
LOL It was personal opinion and I don't mind that at all, just didn't want people coming in and thinking it's a free-for-all hun ^_^'


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16 Jan 2010 - 19:5625530
I don't think any one is actually complaining about some cosplayers being more serious that others. I certainly haven't seen any comments like that arise so far. I think everyone knows that there are some people who cosplay for fun, because they enjoy the creative aspect and that they get a chance to geek out a few times a year with like minded people.

And everyone is also aware of those who take things more seriously. Who are trying to start a business using cosplay as an example of their skills. So I fail to see how these phantom 'complainers' are contributing anything. I think its more a case that they're aware of it.

Additionally, brushing off a bad comment in a blasé fashion is all well and good. And people who have thick skins are able to do it very easily. But those of us who don't have skin not so much. We put a lot of time and effort into costumes and to hear someone be cruel about it is hard to take, when you've put so much time and effort into a labour of love.

But moving on.

I think there are signs that the UK cosplay scene is changing. In some ways its changing well and others not so well. I think the best way to combat the negative changing, is to simply focus on the good.

Ignore, to the best of your ability the people who take this hobby much to seriously and enjoy it for the reasons you originally started cosplaying. Be it wanting to recreate your favourite characters, or making new friends, or finding a place where you can fangasm over your favourite anime/game/manga etc.


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16 Jan 2010 - 19:5925531
To be fair the drama llama always has room for more passengers, whether you ride it or not is up to personal choice.


16 Jan 2010 - 20:0225532
Quote Leadmill:
To be fair the drama llama always has room for more passengers, whether you ride it or not is up to personal choice.


Leadmill we need to get you a large leatherbound chair and a fireplace for that statement but yea it is a case of being a part of it or just not


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16 Jan 2010 - 20:2025533
I take cosplay seriously because it's not a hobby, it's how I'm actually earning money to live at the moment. But I would say what I take serious (reputation as a dealer and comissioner to my customers) doesn't really coincide with what the article is telling me cosplayers are apparantly being serious about.

I did lol at the article when I saw it though. I love it's tips on how to not be a dick.

-Tab


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16 Jan 2010 - 20:2925534
I think everyone has been a tad guilty of making an odd comment here or there and i'll put my hands up and say i have at some point. But often it's out of jealousy and never at the detriment to the amount of effort that somebody puts in. I think articles like this are a tad preachy considering most people of the age to appreciate anime and cosplay are old enough to know that saying something cruel gets you nowhere.

On the plus side this article does make paint a nice image of those in mass market media being all concerned and gooey about us little people XD

I agree with tab too, made me chuckle on how not to be a cock to anyone-watch out for part 2 where it reveals more on how not to be a dick and cook the perfect flan!


16 Jan 2010 - 20:5225536
even if this does happen- which tbh i doubt but hey

its a minority like everything else- i like competition cos it means outfits are amazing- but i like it wen they have fun tooas i've seen with any cosplay related contest everyone is there is have fun and show off their creative ability

and as it has been mention america tend to make a contest out of everything and get too serious


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16 Jan 2010 - 22:0825539
Cosplay is ment to be fun ^^ People who take it too seriously arn't worth moaning about really.....
I hope we all are able to smile and nod and have fun


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16 Jan 2010 - 22:2525540
Hey Yall!

So, I guess I should probably comment seeing as I wrote this article.

This article is a little tongue-in-cheek and also address a serious point (I think anyway).

I should point out that I am not talking about the "serious" side, I am not talking about professional's like Tab, or the professional Photographers who do cosplay shoots.

And if anybody knows me, they will know I'm not entirely innocent of all this myself. I've been guilty of the things I am raising here before and I think a few people (like Sean said) may have caught themselves doing it once or twice before.

I just want to say, I hope nobody takes anything too personally. This is meant more as a way of saying; "Hey guys, remember this is all for fun okay?"

*thumbs up*

~Mark


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16 Jan 2010 - 23:0225541
Quote Anlath:
Hey Yall!

I just want to say, I hope nobody takes anything too personally. This is meant more as a way of saying; "Hey guys, remember this is all for fun okay?"

*thumbs up*

~Mark


If they do, theres always room for more!



16 Jan 2010 - 23:0625542
In my opinion I think like a few others have said it's sort of a 'mean girls' situation, as in 'Close your eyes, and raise your hand if you've ever made a comment about another cosplayer', and everyone has raised hands.
A certain degree of competition is natural and It does make us aim higher, but sometimes people take it too far. They get labelled with terms like 'Elitist' which isn't really fair considering we a) don't know both sides of the story in most cases (arguments etc.) and b) have probably all unfortunately been there ourselves.

I personally am a little ashamed to admit it, but I do it out of a mix of low self-confidence/esteem and jealousy. It's like going to prom and someone's wearing the same dress as you and is looking better in it- it's a kick in the teeth until you start having fun, forget about it and then become best friends with the other person with the same awesome fashion sense you have :3


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16 Jan 2010 - 23:0625543
Quote Leadmill:
Quote Anlath:
Hey Yall!

I just want to say, I hope nobody takes anything too personally. This is meant more as a way of saying; "Hey guys, remember this is all for fun okay?"

*thumbs up*

~Mark


If they do, theres always room for more!



XD That made me laugh XD Awesome image XD


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16 Jan 2010 - 23:1725545
Mark's article caused the DRAMA LAMA to appear!? lol

Does this mean people are taking the article too seriously? ; P


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16 Jan 2010 - 23:1825546
*facepalms* Thanks for that Leadmill LOL At least you lightened the mood here, I was worried it was going to get a bit tense!

I think basically what Mark was trying to say is...ENJOY COSPLAY! LOL If it starts being more drama/heartache than fun, you're doing it wrong ^_^

Over the years that I've cosplayed, I've had some issues with people, issues with my own skill level, issues with drama, issues with people slating me. I've almost quit cosplay several times over but...things always kept me here.

I love the feeling of being in costume, I love the feeling of being in character, I love the feeling of being on stage, I love the atmosphere of conventions, I LOVE WAR!

O_O Sorry, Herr Major rising to the surface ^_^' *wonders how many people'll get that...*

Most importantly, I love the people I have met thanks to cosplay. More than anything, I feel lucky to have friends in every corner of the UK and beyond.


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16 Jan 2010 - 23:3925548
Quote Leadmill:
Quote Anlath:
Hey Yall!

I just want to say, I hope nobody takes anything too personally. This is meant more as a way of saying; "Hey guys, remember this is all for fun okay?"

*thumbs up*

~Mark


If they do, theres always room for more!



I love this soooo soooo sooooo much XDDD

I pretty much agree with everyone's opinion, more so Fables. Everyone does it no matter what part of life you waddle through. XD


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16 Jan 2010 - 23:4625549
Quote sjbonnar:

I love the feeling of being in costume, I love the feeling of being in character, I love the feeling of being on stage, I love the atmosphere of conventions, I LOVE WAR!

O_O Sorry, Herr Major rising to the surface ^_^' *wonders how many people'll get that...*


Somebody watched the new episode of Hellsing Ultimate 8DDD


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