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09 Jan 2010 - 12:2025104
Id have to pick quality. Despite having "80 complete" ive worked out i only have around 30-40 because most of them are different outfits of the same character and are easy to pull off.

I see cosplay as purely fun, not as a contest for who can do as many as they want. Fair enough if you have lots but as long as theres fun there i think thats what counts~


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12 Jan 2010 - 17:4425276
Quote riku206:
And with Hitman Reborn! You end up in a suit and thats in Final Fantasy as well with Reno and all that.
A lot of well known characters are actually just normal clothes *When I think about it*
Is being Reno or Tsuna really that bad because you can just find them in every day stuff?


I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Cosplaying from Reborn! or cosplaying as Reno does not mean you just end up in a suit- there are important details that make the difference between a random nerd in an ill-fitting suit, and a cosplayer in a completed costume. For example, getting the wig right, wearing appropriate make-up, having appropriate props, being in a group, taking photos in an appropriate setting etc. I think these guys summed it up really really well actually:

Quote Mousie:
Closet cosplay can still look nice as long as the pieces are chosen with care and thought. There is a real difference between closet coplay that looks like it came out of a closet and closet cosplay that looks like the character.


Quote Monkey:
As long as you put effort into an outfit - regardless of how simple it is (ie. bothering to try and style a wig right, getting the make-up to look good, or if doing a casual character putting some thought into what would suit a character, instead of just donning a white shirt or something - as that's universally a 'casual anime outfit' or whathaveyou...) it counts as quality.

Of course having fun is what cosplay is all about, but I think also portraying a character well is part of it too.


Quote Pudding:
Closet cosplays are all about the details, as other people have said. Sometimes the simpler the costume, the harder it is to get it right because it's so plain and it's much more noticeable that you don't have the right kind of belts or lapel pin or sunglasses or whatever.




Quote riku206:
I agree some cosplays are a little annoying if ALL there list is just people in a suit. I have a fair few myself but I back them up with Refs of that character in a suit...Or do people see my list as a problem? I do find my own list a mess and I am tempted to take a lot off there...


If all a person is doing is swapping a wig for the same costume, and then reuploading it as a "new costume", it can get REALLY annoying. For example, I've cosplayed as Lelouch, Suzaku AND Rolo using my Code Geass uniform. I've already got Lelouch and Suzaku uploaded as separate costumes (I'm actually considering taking Lelouch down soon), so I feel like it'd be redundant uploading a third costume just for me to be in the same costume but with different hair. On my cosplay.com account, I uploaded some of my school uniform Rolo pictures in with my Black Knights uniform photos- the pictures are still there and in a relevant place, but they're not clogging up the search engines under a new file I guess.

I've gone through my costumes a few times and removed ones that I'm not particularly proud of. Sure, my "completed costumes" number isn't as high as it "should" be, but at least I'm proud to send someone a link to my profile and be like "look what I've made. ".

Riku206, if you're worried about your page being a mess perhaps you could collapse some of your costumes down into one file? For example, I think you've done all of the Organisation XIII members using the same coat- you could put all of your photos under one file, perhaps. Or you could keep your best version of a costume and be like "I've also done these characters: [list]". I keep a list of all the characters I've cosplayed as before on my Cosplay.com, but a lot of them are embarassing or so ghetto that I don't feel right uploading pictures of them, lol. So nobody will ever see those bad bad pictures of me cosplaying as Light from Death Note with my pet cat ever again LOL

So, long ramble made short: Quality definitely over Quantity.


12 Jan 2010 - 17:4825277
I think quality is always gonna win this discussion. You'd have to be a loon to disagree
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13 Jan 2010 - 17:0125323
Quote Yuka:

If all a person is doing is swapping a wig for the same costume, and then reuploading it as a "new costume", it can get REALLY annoying.


Why is that so annoying? Most characters - even when in uniform - have more details than just the hair that make them unique. I have both Hakuren and Teito up, even though the bulk of the costume is the same, because wearing them is completely different. Aside from the fact that they have different details (Teito has Mikage to carry around and a wig, and Hakuren has his hair piece in my natural hair, and glasses now that I've got them), they act completely differently, and when I wear them I do try and keep the character up. Photos taken for one costume would be posed and positioned differently.

I think this is more a matter of taste, but since for me cosplaying is not the costume but also the acting, this doesn't bother me at all, especially if effort is put in. (Also, I'm more of the opinion "who cares what other people do if they're having fun". : ) )


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13 Jan 2010 - 17:1725326
Sorry but no. They are all different characters meaning they get different things. I love ALL my Organization cosplays.......(Minus larxene.... but i'm sorting her out!)
So Sorry I wont
The list is for me not for people to moan it 'looks messy'

And I didn't mean that Reborn! is just bought but you can do an easy version with just bought or closet things.

I think people should leave people to it! Its about fun as ^ said and most others so whats the problem?


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13 Jan 2010 - 17:1925327
Quote Yuka:
but at least I'm proud to send someone a link to my profile and be like "look what I've made. ".


And I am proud to send them my link ¬¬


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13 Jan 2010 - 18:3925338
It depends on how accurate you want the costume to be. Even in Org.XIII if you look closely enough the coats are different. E.G. Vexen's sleeves are slightly more flared than the other members' coats etc.

It also depends on what you do with accessories. In the example give, you could do an Axel cosplay with the chakrams, change the wig to a Xigbar one and make the guns for example, or you could just have a coat with an Axel wig, swap the Axel wig for the Xigbar one etc.

I think there's a HUGE difference.

Also, you can tell the difference between a pure closet cosplay and someone who's gone to extra effort because of minor details. Me personally, if I'm going to cosplay a character who is pretty much just regular clothing, I plan to get all of the small details spot on.

The Turks were given earlier as an example of closet cosplay, but if you look closely, their blazers actually have zips on them, which is quite rare. So to get it really accurate you'd have to add a zip. It really does depend on your personal preference.

I tend to favour quality over quantity.


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13 Jan 2010 - 18:3925339
Quote riku206:
Sorry but no. They are all different characters meaning they get different things. I love ALL my Organization cosplays.......(Minus larxene.... but i'm sorting her out!)
So Sorry I wont
The list is for me not for people to moan it 'looks messy'

And I didn't mean that Reborn! is just bought but you can do an easy version with just bought or closet things.

I think people should leave people to it! Its about fun as ^ said and most others so whats the problem?


I am interjecting now before this thread gets problematic.

Firstly Riku206 you asked if people found your list to be a problem and mentioned you were thinking of cutting it down, so I think it's unfair for you then to get defensive when somebody comments on that.

However that said having long lists of costumes isn't something we police for quality so within reasonable limits you guys can have as much or as little as you want in there. Unless you're doing unreasonable/offensive things etc.. at which point we might step in.

I'll also mention we recently removed the "most complete costumes" from the statistics section because we don't feel this site should be competitive. Our goal here isn't to create a place for people to try to one-up each but instead just to get along, make friends and work together.

So let's keep this thread heading in a civil manner please.


13 Jan 2010 - 18:4125340
Quote riku206:
Sorry but no. They are all different characters meaning they get different things. I love ALL my Organization cosplays.......(Minus larxene.... but i'm sorting her out!)
So Sorry I wont
The list is for me not for people to moan it 'looks messy'


Actually, if you read back, YOU are the one who said it looked messy. Yuka was trying to help you by giving you a solution to a problem that YOU raised. So there really isn't a need to be like that when Yuka was attempting to help you.


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13 Jan 2010 - 18:4625342
I do quite a lot of closet cosplays (or costumes that become part of my closet haha!) and a few ghetto cosplays, but I do try and make my makeup, contacts and wigs really show who the character is, and make sure the costume is accurate. But personally, I do prefer quality over quantity - I just wish I was better at making things as the quality of mine are not high!

Quote Purplefluffychainsaw:
Quote Yuka:

If all a person is doing is swapping a wig for the same costume, and then reuploading it as a "new costume", it can get REALLY annoying.


Why is that so annoying? Most characters - even when in uniform - have more details than just the hair that make them unique. I have both Hakuren and Teito up, even though the bulk of the costume is the same, because wearing them is completely different.
I would agree with Yuka that it annoys me too - but only if they do not look different, and are not worn at conventions, like someone just taking 50 shots of them looking exactly the same with different wigs/accessories/no makeup/etc!

@Purplefluffychainsaw your costumes mentioned look totally different though! In fact all your costumes look different. You always have different poses, different accessoires and so on.

Quote riku206:
Sorry but no. They are all different characters meaning they get different things. I love ALL my Organization cosplays.......(Minus larxene.... but i'm sorting her out!)
So Sorry I wont
The list is for me not for people to moan it 'looks messy'
I don't know why you are going on like that, it was just a suggestion in reply to you saying it looks messy yourself?!
Quote riku206:
I agree some cosplays are a little annoying if ALL there list is just people in a suit. I have a fair few myself but I back them up with Refs of that character in a suit...Or do people see my list as a problem? I do find my own list a mess and I am tempted to take a lot off there...

So personally I would like some help for people to tell me about my list.
I mean I would say that you have 100 costumes, but most of them are just different wigs, it's the same costume, same makeup and same poses. Personally, I'm not good at posing or at taking photos myself at all, and I do like to upload test shots too!

But it does make sense to collapse each costume into a costume file, say all your Kingdom Hearts Organisation into one, all your Full Metal Alchemist into one and all your Sailor Moon Usagi into one or something like this? It also makes it easier for people to find your costume on your list.


13 Jan 2010 - 19:2925346
Quote miiol:

But it does make sense to collapse each costume into a costume file, say all your Kingdom Hearts Organisation into one, all your Full Metal Alchemist into one and all your Sailor Moon Usagi into one or something like this? It also makes it easier for people to find your costume on your list.


I kinda agree here. I have a few different England (Hetalia) costumes but I've grouped all the ones that are seen as 'casual' or arent really distinctive, under one file rather than giving them seperate costume pages. This is just a personal thing but seeing as they took much less effort than my other costumes I didnt think it was worth giving each casual costume it's own section. ^^; There's no right or wrong answer here, though, it's very much a personal thing.

I took a few test shots as Xion (kingdom hearts) in my Roxas orgy coat with my normal hair, but there's no way i'm going to make a costume page for her unless I actually plan to wear her somewhere or get some nice photos done. XD

And of course i'm going to vote for quality over quantity. XD


13 Jan 2010 - 19:4725347
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote riku206:
Sorry but no. They are all different characters meaning they get different things. I love ALL my Organization cosplays.......(Minus larxene.... but i'm sorting her out!)
So Sorry I wont
The list is for me not for people to moan it 'looks messy'


Actually, if you read back, YOU are the one who said it looked messy. Yuka was trying to help you by giving you a solution to a problem that YOU raised. So there really isn't a need to be like that when Yuka was attempting to help you.


Actually I just realised this im sorry ><

I've redone most of my list now got rid of ones that I wont use very often and stuff but I've kept the organization on different ones as Cheetos adviced it would be best keeping them seperate.
Sorry about moaning... (its..........my woman time... >< I get snappy) *Begs for forgiveness*


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13 Jan 2010 - 21:1025354
Quote riku206:

Sorry about moaning... (its..........my woman time... >< I get snappy) *Begs for forgiveness*


Too much info...........seriously


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13 Jan 2010 - 21:3625357
Quote JakeX:
Quote riku206:

Sorry about moaning... (its..........my woman time... >< I get snappy) *Begs for forgiveness*


Too much info...........seriously


Good save, man, good save!

Honestly, you shouldn't be so snappy, 'ladytime' or no, (I'm sure we've all been there~).

Anyway, I think that there's alot of differenct circumstances surrounding whether to collapse costumes or not. Like alot of others have said, wigs, make up and few other things can be all different for otherwise similar looking outfits- with ORG XIII as a prime example. In this case, it is usually easier to collapse these costumes into groups if they've just been taken at home infront of your mirror.

However, It's understood that sometimes, it's difficult to find a good location with suitable weather conditions to have that perfect shoot when you've got your costume ready. Lets not forget as well, that you need a separate person to act as a photographer for your pictures for them to be good!

I think that you need to find a happy medium with yourself and a couple of cosplay buddies as a judge as to what is really cosplay and what is closet. I myself cannot pose, at all, so I don't think poses are the best judge of closet of not.

*ramble ramble ramble*


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13 Jan 2010 - 22:0625359
quite a ticky one reallly because if you say quality it sounds like saying only the best of the best. i do like detailed well done cosplay but if the character is simple then so will the costume be, i think i just like it when people do that little extra bit to add a bit of fun to the cosplay if the actual cosplay dosent take much time, adding a detailed accessory or somthin that youve made.

but at the end of the day its just fun, im not so much on quantity as why should that matter when your cosplayin characters you enjoy doing when u want to do them.

also some of my cosplays are so simple and cheesy i have to laugh ^^



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13 Jan 2010 - 22:2225360
from a personal standpoint, quality and accuracy are critical. fine details, material choices and planning.

"closet cosplay" seems to me as a pointless gesture. i think the only time such costuming techniques work is for ultimatley generic costumes (i.e. L.). even theoreticly generic things like the ouran blazers are cut a specific way, and finding an accurate "shelf" example is nigh impossible.

corner cutting is a pet peeve of mine. missing out critical components to a costume and calling it "complete" to me is as pointless as not bothering at all. tiny details that have deep meaning (heck, i hated my briareos costume because i couldn't find an accurate watch).

i have a saying i always apply to discussions like this: "slow and steady wins the race". start one costume and work on it for months, and you'll make something incredible. bash it out in a week by buying stuff from primark and you'll look like someone who's bashed their costume out in a week and bought it all from primark.


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13 Jan 2010 - 22:5325365
Quote xaerael:
from a personal standpoint, quality and accuracy are critical. fine details, material choices and planning.

YES, I totally know what you mean... I've become really nitpicky about details over my last few cosplays, to the point of sewing 38m of ribbon onto my bustle fabric because I couldn't find any pinstriped fabric in the perfect colour >_<
Also, material choices are one of my biggest pet peeves. For me, when I make a cosplay I try to think about the character, where they come from, what public status, what time period, what fabrics they themselves would have access too, etc...
For example, someone like Ciel Phantomhive (Kuroshitsuji) I would imagine using such fabrics as silks, velvets, etc. Expensive and luxurious to match his livestyle. Whereas someone like Ordon Link (LoZ; TP) who lives in the country near a ranch and so on, I could see using available things like leather, felt, wool, linen, etc.
In my opinion, a good fabric choice can be the lynchpin in making a cosplay look fantastic ^^

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"closet cosplay" seems to me as a pointless gesture. i think the only time such costuming techniques work is for ultimatley generic costumes (i.e. L.).

Admittedly I have done the odd closet cosplay, but when doing something simple like that I find that a good character performance can go a long way ^^ Yes, I've seen a lot of L cosplays, but I have seen very few that actually do the mannerisms properly.
A good year or two before my bf and I got together, or even knew each other, he still remembered me for my L cosplay :3 I had been sitting at a table stacking sugar cubes, giving some out to passers by

Anyways that is just my opinion, since this whole thread is purely subjective! I personally try to refrain from closet cosplays now purely because I enjoy making elaborate things. It tests my skills, it gives a lovely feeling of accomplishment and, well, for me Cosplay is an escapism, it gives me a chance to pretend to be someone who I prefer over myself! And I like to look the part =D

[Sorry, longpost is long!]


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13 Jan 2010 - 23:0525367
I think at the end of the day we should all remember what cosplay is, a hobby , and we shouldnt get too serious with it to the point were saying how much we hate this and hate that, admitadly i agree with xaerael about getting things accurate.



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13 Jan 2010 - 23:2025369
I always feel bad when this conversation starts because I have cosplays like Walter from Hellsing and it really is just my regular attire. I always try to get the smaller details, like my dark walter I really had to make the monocle and it was really fun to get to grips with it. I try and get decent photography and living in hull *with its old architecture* it really compliments alot of my cosplays and this snow right? I pretty much agree with all of what people are saying on here, I love quality cosplays I also like having alot on a page and as long as I can see effort there Im happy.


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13 Jan 2010 - 23:3725372
I find that this is a tough one. I can understand that some people dont feel they have the time or skill to make a costume, so they get something from Primark. As long as they're having fun, I dont see it to be an issue.

However, I prefer to get costumes accurate. So I'd pick quality. Admittedly when I started cosplaying, some costumes were rushed, but I'm really enjoying starting in advance now.


14 Jan 2010 - 00:2425381
I consider my 3 closet cosplays such because they were pretty much bought at a store. Chuuko Nezu actually took 9 months to get together because I couldn't find the right pants or spats. I ended up buying white pants and dying them purple. I did some work on the band of the hat as well because it was the wrong color.

The other 2 are pjs for a character. My Hotaru ones were bought but I sewed some ribbon to make it complete. The Usagi ones were bought as well but I changed the buttons. When you've been in a costume from 9am - 10pm and panels go on until 4am you need a break. That's where the pjs come in!

I think closet cosplay is fine as long as it looks like the character. Hey, if you're happy in it and having fun that's all that matters.


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14 Jan 2010 - 01:2925384
I most definitely go for quality.
I enjoy the making process probably more than actually wearing a costume. I get horribly stressed over the details and making sure everything is right but it's still really enjoyable for me. The biggest things that gets to me is fabric choice and colour, especially wigs (big surprise there) because there is just so much that can be done to get it the right colour.
However, I think that you can do both quality and quantity at the same time, it just depends on how fast you work and how much time you've got.

Closet and "casual" cosplays I honestly don't get. Like Xae said, even with "regular" clothes worn by characters it's very hard to find something store bought that looks accurate unless it's something hugely simple. I'll admit my very first hand made costume was modded from regular clothes, however it was completely changed and not just left as it was because it wasn't accurate in the slightest and there was no way I was going to find something pre-made.

The main reason I avoid closet or "casual" cosplays however, is because it's just normal clothes and unless you really go all out to edit it to actually look like the character's costule or it's something normal that the character has genuinely worn I don't see just adding a wig to your own clothes as a cosplay, it's just you wearing a wig in your regular clothes. I enjoy making and wearing things out of the norm, there are so many amazing designs out there that really just wow people and you don't get that with normal clothes.

Saying that however, I have no problem with people who want to do closet cosplays, some people don't feel confident enough or just lack the skill to make a full costume from scratch and I understand that. I just personally don't like them and unless it's something really impressive will generally overlook them if I see one online or at a con.

In terms of people uploading a mass amount of them, then that does bug me a little bit. I love seeing what people make and the random costumes on the home page is great for finding new amazing cosplayers, but seeing 20 "casual" cosplays or X popular character, gender switched versions of characters (which is generally just people in a wig in their normal clothes) or the dreaded "myspace shot" of people's heads with a wig on does get old pretty fast.
The thing I find the most odd however, is that the majority of these costumes never get worn outside of people's bedrooms because there's just so many that you can't possibly wear them all. I guess because I've only ever made costumes for events it just seems weird and a shame that people would upload dozens of costumes they've worn for 5 minutes in their room for photos then never again.

That's just my feelings on the issue though. I'm not going to go around saying "omg you can't wear that, it's not cosplay" to people, I just personally wouldn't wear anything like it myself because I love making my costumes too much. :3



Last edited by SephNoir (14 Jan 2010 - 01:48)
14 Jan 2010 - 02:3725385
You'll see on my profile that I don't have many costumes.

I don't go to many cons/ events, and when I cosplay, I want it to awesome. By that, I mean that I want to have an awesome experience wearing the costume. I don't think I could to that wearing a "closet costume".

There's nothing entrisically wrong with closet cosplays, but if you're not going to wear them out, I personally don't see the point in making them.

Therefore: quality over quantity for me is a win.


14 Jan 2010 - 10:3925388
I do agree with quite alot of comments raised with the 'closet' cosplays. I personally only have a couple. I'm personally not a fan of them. Having said that I think if done well they can be fab.

My Hojo is one that I would of prefered to have done better. I ran out of time to finish the ID. To make it a costume I did aging make up and styled my hair(including spraying dark). That way to me it felt like a cotsume.

My Horatio Caine is one that I actually enjouyed doing. That wouldn't of been no where near as fun if I didn't make the effort to do the hair style (in wig form) and do aging make-up. Mind you, I had waaaayyyyyy too much fun with the mannerisms and the posing. Lol!

I do agree with Chibi about the fabric research. Thats something I do enjoy. Thats the theatre background in me wanting to look into the characters background and figure out fabric for the time period.

I do agree with Seph Noir about having loads of costumes uploaded that are essentionally the same costume. It dose bug me a little but I can get it if your not a skilled seamtress/prop maker. I do have Sephiroth up twice. Thats becasue for the One Winged version hes getting a massive overall. So I felt it counted as a seperate cotume as I will be building the whole thing from scrath. Plus the One Winged entry will mainly focus on the wing. Its really the only costume on my profile thats similar. All the Abels I've listed are quite different.

I'm a fan of quality any day. I've been cosplaying since 1992 but don't actually have that many costumes as I prefer to take my time over a costume that I'll be happy to wear as I see cosplay for me as a way to show my creative side. My artbook Abel (points to siggy) has been a year and a half in the making (still not complete) and I wouldn't change it as I loved taking my time over each part.

That is what I enjoy about the hobby. Its a way for me to express creativly.


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14 Jan 2010 - 11:0825397
I would choose Quality over Quantity. What's the point of having hundreds if terrible cosplays. I would much rather have only one cosplay that could actually resemble the charecter.

Still I wouldn't mind having both Quality and Quantity. You've got to find the ballence.

As the beatles said "Let it be" and there wise words especialy in art forms. Work on a cosplay until it's as good as you can get it then stop, if you over work it your probably gonna spoil it. Then it is time to think of a new cosplay.

Having a cosplay that can be use to make more than one isn't a bad thing. It's not like your limited to make only one person who fit's that outfit. Everybodys free. and nothing I can say would be better advice than that.


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