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27 Nov 2009 - 23:4923160
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote Missytetra:
But who knows? Maybe one day we'll be organised enough to go to the Cosplay World Summit and show the world we're not just a spec!


I think that's the big step that we're aiming for and I know for sure that there are a lot of people who were fighting hard to get us into it. I'd never enter something like that ^_^' nowhere near good enough but I think there are some people in the UK who would do REALLY well in a competition like that and maybe get the UK some recognition ^_^


Let's see how this Eurocosplay thing works out first shall we


27 Nov 2009 - 23:5423161
Quote Shenny:
Quote sjbonnar:
Quote Missytetra:
But who knows? Maybe one day we'll be organised enough to go to the Cosplay World Summit and show the world we're not just a spec!


I think that's the big step that we're aiming for and I know for sure that there are a lot of people who were fighting hard to get us into it. I'd never enter something like that ^_^' nowhere near good enough but I think there are some people in the UK who would do REALLY well in a competition like that and maybe get the UK some recognition ^_^


Let's see how this Eurocosplay thing works out first shall we


Haha yes ^^ I was just trying to demonstrate that perhaps the whole UK cosplay guest thing is sort-of a way for the scene to see that things are happening in the UK with regards to cosplay. Maybe getting cosplayers more involved in their conventions (rather than just doing the masquerade) is a start of something? I don't know- like I say I'm just babbling.

Anyway, I'm sorry, I didn't want to go off topic by mentioning the world summit, it was just a whimmy comment ^___^


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01 Dec 2009 - 00:4523233
Wow! Thanks guys. Theres some really interesting points raised.

Although, I do see myself as a laid back cosplayer (I did come from the sci-fi world where cosplay isn't a focus more to show who you were a fan of). However, I do agree with Sands on this one. I love cosplay and love seeing other cosplayers costumes. There are a couple out there that I would love to see in person (Like Yuki from Brazil). Seeing other cosplayers work insprires me to do more with mine.

I think, however, the idea of a cosplay 'celebraty' in the same vain as say,,,, 'Katie Price' is a bit too extreme. I wouldn't want to meet a cosplayer whos surrounded by screaming fans. Nor one who ened up with a huge ego as a result.

I do want to see the UK get more known on the scene such that we get the chance to be invited as guests. I would say there are a far few UK cosplayers who do deserve the acknowledgement. I think that seeing other cosplay guests from the UK join those who guest from the US, Brazil and other countries adds another viewpoint of cosplay.

Of course, I would love the idea to be a guest, who wouldn't.

I would be curious to see if a UK cosplayer ever got invited to ,let say, a US con.


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01 Dec 2009 - 01:0423236
Quote Sephirayne:

I would be curious to see if a UK cosplayer ever got invited to ,let say, a US con.


Like I said, I think Kelly Jane and Teal Pirate were invited to an american co. Metrocon I think.

Though I think it was more about the popularity of their youtube videos, than their cosplays.

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01 Dec 2009 - 02:4123241
As the organiser of an event who invites 'cosplay guests' and also as someone who has travelled to several conventions in Europe, I'd like to give my opinion on this subject.


The reason we invite 'celebrity cosplayers' to the ball is partly because we want them to perform and add to the event, but also because we are an international event, and having well-known cosplayers from other countries acts as a kind of 'ambassador' which attracts people from other countries.


This has proved successful for us so far, and I hope that UK cosplayers will make friends with cosplayers in other countries the same way that the rest of Europe does.


The are several British cosplayers who have a skill level to match the best cosplayers from abroad, but they don't get invited to conventions for several reasons:


1. Firstly to be recognised outside the UK and have some kind of credibility, you need your own website. Most UK cosplayers don't have one.


2. Events don't just look at your costumes, they also look at what else you can add to the event e.g. whether you are experienced in other areas such as giving talks, presenting or performing. For example, Matt and JoEllen were invited to Ayacon as much for their presenting skills and cosplay workshop talks as for their costumes.


3. The cosplayers who are invited as guests often work professionally as costume designers or performers, or they have won some kind of international award. Since most British cosplayers do cosplay only as a hobby, and UK is not involved in World Cosplay Summit etc it's hard for British cosplayers to gain recognition.


4. Both Yaya and Giorgia, for example, have over 10 years of cosplay experience and work hard to organise, exhibit at, and perform at different events and work with the media to promote themselves and cosplay in general. It's not as though they just gained recognition overnight.


Considering that the cosplay scene in this country is relatively new compared to the rest of the world, it's not surprising that UK cosplayers have not yet gained enough recognition to be invited as guests, but I don't think we should look down our nose at the concept.


Most 'celebrity' cosplayers don't look down at other cosplayers and work hard for the events they appear at. They add something extra to conventions as much as any other guest so I hope people can appreciate that.


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01 Dec 2009 - 12:2423244
There is so much irony in certain parts of this thread you could lay it on with a trowel.


01 Dec 2009 - 12:2723245
Quote Sands:
If any of you got offered to be a cosplay guest at an international convention, fully paid, would you turn it down?

I'm going to be weird and say that I would. Seriously. If anything, if I were approached to be a "cosplay guest" at an international convention I'd be deeply suspicious of whoever was asking.

To clarify what I said earlier, I do certainly respect that there are cosplayers out there who are well-known among cosplayers and have excellent craftsmanship skills, and if they're at a convention and holding a panel to talk about their techniques or whatever then that's a nice bonus. Matt was a superb compere at Ayacon, and he and JoEllen seemed very nice (I didn't actually meet either of them really so I can only speculate there). But really, when they were announced as guests I had no idea who either of them were, and even if they'd been announced with their cosplay names I don't think I'd have reacted in any way other than "oh, that's nice".

I don't know, maybe it's because I really do just think of cosplay (and most fandom activity) as being a bit of silly fun to make the drudgery of everyday life a bit less unbearable, and as such have always found the "BNF" concept rather alien. I'm certainly not going to complain about there being cosplay guests - lord knows I've been going to cons long enough to know that we're lucky to be in a position to get international guests at all - but their presence doesn't make or break a con or event for me in the way that, say, announcing Satoshi Kon or Naoki Urasawa would.


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01 Dec 2009 - 19:2823269
Quote Silver:
Quote Sephirayne:

I would be curious to see if a UK cosplayer ever got invited to ,let say, a US con.


Like I said, I think Kelly Jane and Teal Pirate were invited to an american co. Metrocon I think.

Though I think it was more about the popularity of their youtube videos, than their cosplays.

~Silver


I don't think they were invited as cosplay guests. I'm pretty sure they paid for everything themselves and just chose to hold panels while they were there.

Anything I was going to add has already been said XD



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01 Dec 2009 - 22:0523279
As far as I can see, the only reason these people are so called 'Celebrities' is because you are calling them 'Celebrities'! Its just a word. I've always taken care to say 'Famous Cosplayers' instead, as the fact that hundreds of people who aren't known by the individual, know who they are, makes them 'Famous' in my eyes. But once again that's just an interpretation of the word.

These people on the whole aren't paid for their appearances, other than expenses, so does that really sound like a 'Celebrity status' to you?

And at the end of the day, making a living doing something you love? What's so unforgivable about that that we have to argue over the correct word to describe them?


01 Dec 2009 - 22:4423280
Quote Mocara:

And at the end of the day, making a living doing something you love? What's so unforgivable about that that we have to argue over the correct word to describe them?



I don't think anyone was really arguing about what word to describe it as, but whether they were for or against the idea of cosplay guests and their opinions on the matter.
Celebrity/Famous/Well known
thats all the same kettle of fish isn't it? thats just arguing over semantics.


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01 Dec 2009 - 22:4623281
I think argument is probably a bit harsh too ^_^' If I see an argument, I nuke it with the delete button LOL So far I've seen healthy debate and quite liked the back and forth going on!


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01 Dec 2009 - 22:5023282
I've really enjoyed reading this thread, its really interesting hearing what people have to say about it.

I personally really enjoy having cosplay guests from abroad come to our events. I think its great how Emily and Jess had Yaya and Giorgia at the ball, its really nice to get to meet people who have made a success out of their passion for cosplay. I think its quite inspiring.
I'd like to see more cosplayers invited over here in the UK in the future


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01 Dec 2009 - 22:5623283
So have I actually. I must admit I'm actually being swayed somewhat.

I think jealousy is part of my issue with it, but not jealousy for myself (this is going to make no sense, I can tell already LOL), jealousy for OTHERS. I just think that with some of the talent we have in this country, it's a shame that those people aren't recognised in the same way.


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01 Dec 2009 - 23:1923284
Quote sjbonnar:
So have I actually. I must admit I'm actually being swayed somewhat.

I think jealousy is part of my issue with it, but not jealousy for myself (this is going to make no sense, I can tell already LOL), jealousy for OTHERS. I just think that with some of the talent we have in this country, it's a shame that those people aren't recognised in the same way.


Couldnt agree more, people are making excellent points, i havent been much of a voice on this thread but ive been one avid reader


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02 Dec 2009 - 13:3523312
Quote Sands:
I've really enjoyed reading this thread, its really interesting hearing what people have to say about it.

I personally really enjoy having cosplay guests from abroad come to our events. I think its great how Emily and Jess had Yaya and Giorgia at the ball, its really nice to get to meet people who have made a success out of their passion for cosplay. I think its quite inspiring.
I'd like to see more cosplayers invited over here in the UK in the future


I agree. I think its great that they have made something successful doing something that they love. I did briefly when I worked for Manchester's Palace theatre in the costume dept.

I agree with Emily about that UK cosplayers might need to set up websites. Its something I have considered for a while. Just not sure if anyone would be interested in seeing it.

Thanks you guys for making this thread a very interesting read. Its great to see your thoughts both for and against. XX


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04 Dec 2009 - 17:5023399
Quote sjbonnar:
I just think that with some of the talent we have in this country, it's a shame that those people aren't recognised in the same way.


Read what I wrote above!!! Cosplayers rarely get invited to conventions based on their costuming skills alone! The UK cosplay scene might be brimming with costume-making talent, but how many of our cosplayers compere/perform as a profession or have years upon years of experience of giving talks/panels? Not many.

Secondly, having a website is not just 'a nice idea', it's in order to showcase yourself and your costumes!! Expecting foreign conventions to invite someone as a cosplay guest who doesn't even have a decent-looking website is a ridiculous idea, like expecting someone to hire you when your CV is written on loo roll.

If I'm honest the cosplayers who are most likely to be invited as 'guests' would be someone like Laura or Kaka, not even because they are talented (which of course they are), but because they have good media/industry contacts and their personality is media friendly.

What people in this country forget is that you have to make opportunities for yourself and learn how to publicise. I did't get asked to organise things like the Oxford Circus launch because I organised a couple of fans events and hoped for the best. I got asked because I've spent FOUR YEARS working on various shows, making industry contacts and working behind the scenes with the media/PR teams on various projects.

In the same way, it's up to the cosplayers themselves to work hard to make opportunities. Just making a bunch of fancy costumes and turning up a convention a few times a year simply isn't enough.


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04 Dec 2009 - 17:5523400
Quote Missytetra:
Maybe getting cosplayers more involved in their conventions (rather than just doing the masquerade) is a start of something?


Yes exactly! Well put!


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04 Dec 2009 - 18:0323401
Emily is 100% and has some very good sound advice for anyone who ever wanted to be invited as a guest at an event or push their cosplaying further
-though I know a lot of people here do enjoy it as just a nice hobby

Kaman and I have been invited as booth babes for a couple of events in Paris and done work alongside TecmoKoei because we fought REALLY hard to get those opportunities. They didn't just get offered to us on a plate. Of course we've been really lucky but we also worked our butts off on the media side of things as well, as unfortunately just having a good costume is not enough.

So although we have a lot of amazing and talented costume makers in this country, it won't get you recognised without media and industry pushing behind to get it out there in the public eye, as Emily was so right in saying.


Though don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all good cosplayers should make themselves media whores or anything! Just if we want to see the UK becoming guests at events then becoming a "name" is just as, if not more, important.


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05 Dec 2009 - 09:3223409
I agree with you Sands and Emily. I do think that a con is only going to invite a 'cosplay' guest if they know that they can work well with an audience and have more to offer than just cosplay.

Sands, I think what you and Kaman do for Koei is ace. I can also see that it has taken alot of work to get there. Something that I think is worth noting.

Emily, I agree that it has taken you alot to get to where you are now. You've done some awesome stuff.

Thanks for your feedback from the points of view of peeps of have had the chance to work and in a sense be 'cosplay' guests.

XXX


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05 Dec 2009 - 11:0223414
Some of it is choice as well- Me and Matt have been approached by a couple of companies at expo to do costumes for them, but we've decided not to for a couple of reasons.

The main one is that most of the offers are to pay for travel and accomodation expenses. This would be great, but if we go with them we wouldn't be able to run our dealers table at conventions. For us the dealers table covers the travel and expenses, as well as the cost of making the costumes and a bit of profit on the side. Looking at that financially, it makes no sense for us to go with a company.

I also enjoy being independant with my costume choices- if I started doing things for a company like koei then I'm pretty sure I would get bored with their designs pretty quickly.

Instead I'm starting to get into the scene more by doing panels and things. I don't have stage talents like singing and dancing (which I would say is one of the reasons yaya is so popular- she puts on a nice show) so I'm going to try playing to my strengths instead of trying to be someone I'm not. Also panels I can do while still running a stall, so it's a nice alternative to aiming for sponsership from a company.

-Tab


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05 Dec 2009 - 13:5423423
Thats cool Tab. That dose make sense especailly as you do want it to be your main income. Personally I like seeing your stall (one day I'll have enough money to buy something from it).

It never has occoured to me to do panels. I've often thought that no one would be interested. But thinking about it they might be. I do have 18 years of experience both as a hobby and professioanlly. I also have things like acting and stunts that people like to know more about.

I guess its a confidence thing. Something which I haven't had much of late.


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05 Dec 2009 - 16:1123426
Tab - I think that's a great idea! I'm sure it would be a great way to advertise your products and your skills as a cosplayer, as well as 'giving something back to the community'. It's great that you're making a business out of what you love.

Emma - I would LOVE to go to a panel of yours! There aren't many cosplayers who have had as many years of experience, especially since you've been involved in both sci-fi and anime costuming, and worked as a professional actor/stunt person. I think you have a lot to give and I for one would definitely attend

Sorry if I seem a little opinionated on this topic - I agree with what Laura says that of course for most people cosplay is a hobby and it should be fun, first and foremost.

I was just frustrated that people some people seem to regard becoming well-known as a cosplayer as some kind of lucky-break, when most 'famous' cosplayers have worked very hard to get to where they are now. All the KOEI cosplayers work very hard and I hope they continue to get recognition in the future.


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05 Dec 2009 - 19:2523432
Some people might consider setting up a website dedicated to yourself a vanity exercise.

Many of UK's most talented cosplayers seem to me to be a bit more modest. They enjoy doing what they do without it having some fame achieving higher purpose.


06 Dec 2009 - 00:2723441
I don't see how setting up a website about your costumes is any more vain than having a profile on a cosplay site. After all, we all do this for the fun, the challenge and also for the recognition.

I for one would never have started cosplaying had I not seen Julia Mcgee's website. We became friends and I'm glad we got to meet up face to face when she was invited to a couple of UK cons.

So I'm all for having Cosplayers from other parts of the world being invited to UK events. After all, if I was good enough to be invited to an event, I'd think twice before saying no.



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06 Dec 2009 - 00:4323442
Gotta say I also fail to see how setting up a cosplay website is a 'vanity exercise'.

Maybe my opinion is bias because I made a cosplay website. But its more a portfolio of the things I've done since I started cosplaying.

I also have other cosplayers up there through interviews and guides/tutorials that I hope/think other people might find useful.

A lot of cosplayers have websites to demostrate their abilities, and most of them have things that are helpful to other cosplayers. Stores, tutorials, guides on maybe how to style wigs. Or how to pose appropriately. Some cosplayers who take commissions have their businesses intergrated with their website as if to say:
'These are the costumes I've made myself. If you commission something off me, you'll get something akin to this standard'.

I've said all I intend to say about cosplay guests. I think pretty much all bases of opinion have covered it.


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