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26 Nov 2009 - 02:4023071
UK Cosplay guests?
Its something that got me thinking a few days ago after seeing a couple of events listed in various places that have cosplay guests.

I noticed that nearly all the cosplay guests where American or Japanese (I think there have been the odd Brazilian). I was wondering has there ever been a UK cosplay guest either here or overseas?

Do you think that one day there will be some?

(Even over my long years as a cosplayer I'm still fairly new to the idea that cosplayers could be guests at events).


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27 Nov 2009 - 12:1323111
I don't agree with the idea personally but i'm sure i'm in a minority. Cosplay in the end is a hobby/passtime, although i'm sure some people see it as more that. I don't understand the concept of the cosplay celebrity. What actually are a lot of these US and Japanese cosplayers famous for? A fair few don't even make their own costumes.


27 Nov 2009 - 12:2323112
I agree cosplayers as guests is an unusual subject to breach, i dont agree with the fact there should be them tbh again i sure im in a minority for this but because its a craft that
deems no fame usually, I find it odd that there should be guests of this nature O_o

I went to an american con a while back where there was an english speaking japanse *so called expert* cosplayer giving a talk/panel her views and advice where well for want of a better word pointless. I saw at that con and have since seen much shall we cosplayers better fitting her title.

I see it as just another way elitists get past the castle walls of cosplay mediocrity *mediocrity meaning fun of course.


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27 Nov 2009 - 12:2923113
Frankly I've always been rather bemused by the idea of "celebrity cosplayers". There are certainly people out there whose craftsmanship is fantastic and who are happy to offer help and advice to those of us who aren't on their level, and it's always a pleasure to be able to meet them. But on a purely instinctive level, it doesn't feel to me like being good at/recognisable for cosplay is on the same level as, say, producing a manga or directing a movie or playing a popular character in a TV show.

Although admittedly, the more I think about it the less sense my personal opinion makes XD


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27 Nov 2009 - 14:0923115
I don't get it much either really. I guess to me all these celebrity cosplayers all seem to be really pretty women who get nice photos taken of them and get popular that way, not because they're the best costume makers.

I respect skill, so if someone made a costume I was really impressed with then I would hold respect for them, but for looks alone annoys me. It just seems to enforce this idea about how you have to be pretty to cosplay, and it irks me.

To be cosplay is amazing because its a chance for regular people who aren't models to put on a costume and feel like a hero for a day. If they're a celebrity for that, then they're not regular people anymore and it kinda spoils that feeling for me.

-Tab


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27 Nov 2009 - 14:2823116
There is no such thing as a 'cosplay celebrity'. If you went up to anyone who wasn't in the cosplay scene and asked them if they knew of any people famous for cosplay they would look at your blankly and shrug, because its unlikely they would know what cosplay is.

If you went on to name people well known in the community, you would continue to get a blank look.

I hate the whole 'famous for cosplay' thing, because its the biggest load of bull.


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27 Nov 2009 - 14:3623117
Quote KhaosKreator:
I don't get it much either really. I guess to me all these celebrity cosplayers all seem to be really pretty women who get nice photos taken of them and get popular that way-Tab


one word...photoshop XD

I do get kinda of annoyed to that they are all stunningly good looking *by standerdised meanings of course*


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27 Nov 2009 - 15:3523119
Quote Silver:
There is no such thing as a 'cosplay celebrity'. If you went up to anyone who wasn't in the cosplay scene and asked them if they knew of any people famous for cosplay they would look at your blankly and shrug, because its unlikely they would know what cosplay is.

That's pretty much my objection to it, yeah.


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27 Nov 2009 - 18:0423126
Quote Silver:
There is no such thing as a 'cosplay celebrity'. If you went up to anyone who wasn't in the cosplay scene and asked them if they knew of any people famous for cosplay they would look at your blankly and shrug, because its unlikely they would know what cosplay is.


Frankly, cosplaying for however long it is that I have been cosplaying. You snap a supposed cosplay celeb at me and I'd probably have no idea who it was.
Thus it is that I cannot get particularly excited by having them as guests.


27 Nov 2009 - 18:1023127
I completely disagree with the idea of Cosplay Celebrities. I mean, there are people that are well known in the scene but it's not even always for good reasons TBH.

At any rate, as has already been said, take a cosplay "celebrity" out of a convention and down the street and no-one would have a clue who they were.


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27 Nov 2009 - 18:2623130
Well i think saying cosplay celebrity is an overstatement. There are definatly good cosplayers or better known cosplayers.(thanks to the internet.) yet that's only really in the cosplayer world. but celeb cosplayer could only ever really be taken in the opposite context. i.e. a celebrity who is cosplaying. I know that maddona has been known to cosplay, and of course vic mongnalla(i cant spell his name)


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27 Nov 2009 - 19:3623131
interesting topic. certainly, i dont think anyone will ever become famous to the wider public for cosplaying, so the idea of a cosplay celebrity itself is rather an internal thing within our niche.
there are people, obviously, in the hobby, who do get quite well known, either through making really good, accurate cosplays, doing some amazing skit, doing commisions for lots of people, or simply for doing it for a very long time and getting to know everyone. there are certianly well known cosplayers around, even within the UK scene itself. I can pick out several names who i would count as "famous" on the english cosplay circuit. this will always happen, no matter what, in any hobby.

however, there is a huge gap between simply being well known in a hobby for some reason, and being a celebrity (and indeed, being worthy of being a guest). at the end of a day, were all cosplayers, we all start out pretty much the same, and build ourselves up. i hardly think being well known warrants being a guest a convention! i would go so far as to say it is completely un-needed, as it adds another level of elitism to the hobby. does the "cosplay elite" really exist? no, they dont!


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27 Nov 2009 - 20:2623133
I'm gonna throw this out there and say that alot of people are probably taking the whole "Cosplay is a hobby" thing a bit seriously on this topic.

I can actually understand that the cosplay scene in Japan has celebritity cosplays, mainly because over there it can be very much a profession. Much like actual modelling is. Hell companies over there hire proper models to wear cosplays to advertise their stuff and this may also include the "average joe" who has become popular enough to become one of the team. Not to mention you have cosplay cafes and all that.

Really it's just how cosplay stands in the community. It's just a hobby over here because it's not well known and yes it is mainly for the fun but you can become famous for anything these days.

I believe in America Pikminlink also has something to with nintendo? Maily because of her Link, but I guess she'd only be a celebrity in that.

It's all really got to do with the countries and such. But meh, all I know for sure is people become famous for the skills and it's nice to have some good cosplayers give a panel and such. Wither cosplay is worth celebritiy status then meeeeeh... Over here it'd be pretty useless unless you were wanted to be know for like.. Doing movie costumes or something lol Though I doubt that's possible over here


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27 Nov 2009 - 20:2723134
I disagree with a lot being said here, so I'm going to throw my opinion out there!

There are cosplay celebrities whether thats opposed to or not. Yea they are not famous in the real world, as you all said put them on the street no one knows who they are, but in the cosplay scene the majority of you cant act like you didn't know who Yaya or Matt are! So that makes them a "cosplay celebrity" doesn't it?

And whats wrong with that! When I was in LA I got to see Kaname (the most recognised CURE cosplayer in Japan), yea a lot of people wouldn't care, but for me that was really exciting and one of my highlights of Anime Expo! I still can't believe I got to see him in LA when I see photos of him in Cure.
I don't see a problem with it if I'm honest.

Also, for anyone who was at Aya, weren't you all really happy about meeting Matt and JoEllan? I know a lot of people were really excited about meeting them because of their Brawl series. So doesn't make them a "cosplay celebrity" and a guest you'd like to meet?



I know this is an unpopular comment and opinion, but I think its fair to look at this from another end of the spectrum?
If any of you got offered to be a cosplay guest at an international convention, fully paid, would you turn it down?


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27 Nov 2009 - 20:3523136
Lol It would also be great if the UK cosplay community actually got more recognition then it usually does also. XD


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27 Nov 2009 - 20:5323137
Quote Sands:

I know this is an unpopular comment and opinion, but I think its fair to look at this from another end of the spectrum?
If any of you got offered to be a cosplay guest at an international convention, fully paid, would you turn it down?


Of course I wouldn't LOL Hypocritical? Perhaps ^_^'

I dunno, I really loved meeting both Matt and Jo, I thought they were fantastic people but not because of their "celebrity" status...I mean, they're both really down to earth and that's not what I'd imagine from a celebrity ya know?I didn't get star-struck or anything.

It's like, I'm looking forward to meeting Yaya Han and Giorgia Vecchini, but not due to their celebrity status, I'm always interested in meeting new people ^_^' I am curious to see if their "celebrity status" has affected how they act though. I'd imagine not, or hope not anyway ^_^'

But there are people in this country that could be seen as cosplay celebrities as well, but it's weird because I'm friends with them so it's also strange to think of them in that way ^_^'

Right, I'm rambling and not making sense, shut up Sean...LOL


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27 Nov 2009 - 21:0423140
I'm with Sandss on this one. The idea that someone could turn something they've been doing as a hobby and get flown around the world to show off their skill is very positive. Although the amount of "cosplay celebs" is generally very small, I mean I spent a fair amount of time with Matt one Ayacon evening getting very drunk and shatting shit, they're the same as everyone else but have just been thrust into the spotlight for the jobs they've done in the past. Matt being a voice actor for many a anime series and games as well as his Brawl series does make him a legend in my eyes and someone I would to meet.

One thing about the whole cosplay scene in the UK is how small it is and I'm pretty sure at somepoint everyone has met everyone else and because of that everyone considers themselves equal. Long running cosplayers who put alot of effort into their costumes are rewarded with a slightly higher social status.

Taking Tab as an example, he's shown a tremendous leap in skill in the very very short time and deserves alot of praise for that. Cosplay creation skills will make you 'famous' in some way. I've for example never met Xae in person but I watch him like I would film stars because I want to know what he comes up with next.

And in true form...I've lost my point...


27 Nov 2009 - 21:0423141
Oh of course, Im not saying anyone here wanted to meet Yaya, Matt, JoEllan or whoever because they were 'famous'. But more that they are recognised and that most people are familiar with them and are probably intrigued or excited to meet them.

So that makes them a "celebrity" in our little world. Doesn't necessarily make them a bit of a tosser or act differently! A lot of actual celebrities are down to earth. Not to blow my own trumpet but because of my families line of work I've met and worked with a lot of very famous actors, and the majority of them are all really nice people. They don't act any differently because of it.

I enjoy meeting cosplayers I admire, seeing people like Jia, Ginny, Goldy, Kaname, Pikminlink, in LA was really exciting and for me, I find it quite inspiring! Its people I admire, and they've worked hard for it so kudos to them!


I don't want to come across as a snob or anything in my post. I just thought I should throw a different opinion out there. I think this is quite an interesting topic to discuss.


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27 Nov 2009 - 21:1223142
Some of it for me is totally down to jealously. I mean yeah, I would love to be able to get famous for doing that kind of stuff, but I also know that the UK cosplay scene is so small it will never happen.

Not just for myself, but I tend to look at these cosplayers who get paid to go to conventions over the world and such, and I can name several people off the top of my head in the UK scene who I think are better than them, so I feel they deserve it more. Like most things to do with fame it's half talent, half sheer luck, and we're just unlucky to be in the UK scene.

But then again, the UK cosplay scene benefits from having that boundary I feel. We are all in it for fun, and I know I would become a total asshole if I ever got famous, so it's a good thing I'm being stopped. This way I get to focus a lot more on what I love about cosplay- the actual making of the damn things!

-Tab


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27 Nov 2009 - 21:2823145
Quote KhaosKreator:
I can name several people off the top of my head in the UK scene who I think are better than them, so I feel they deserve it more.


I'd say the exact same thing. I can think of a fair few people that I consider definitely good enough for that same kind of "fame" and I think it's a shame that they haven't gotten there yet.

Though I have to continue to agree with Tab here, I quite like that the UK community hasn't gotten to that stage on one hand because of the fact that I know all of these talented, fantastic people and while fame wouldn't DEFINITELY go to their heads, it might happen to some and I'm glad we don't have that.

I'd also like to think that the UK Cosplay Scene has far less of an elitist feel than several other parts of the world.


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27 Nov 2009 - 21:3523147
We couldn't have a famous person in our community as a guest at a convention, because we would most likely all know them and be friends with them. So the idea of them being a "celebrity guest" just wouldn't work because we'd expect to see them at a convention getting drunk at the bar with us anyway.

As mentioned before it works in Japan and America because there is a much larger community and has been running for much longer, so it just works.

I think a lot of people here do get the credit they deserve, yea maybe not necessarily internationally all the time, but within the UK scene everyone respects those who have put a lot of time and effort into a costume.


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27 Nov 2009 - 22:3323151
Hey everyone ^^ Gosh I love to see everyones opinions, it's amazing what emotions such a notion can bring out. There are some very good points in here!

I guess my first question is what are we discussing here- cosplayers as guests, cosplayers as celebrities or cosplayers as panelists, hosts, and personalities? Or are we talking about full on famous jetting off to stardom in first class kind of stuff?

Personally, I think most cosplay 'idols' or whatever are usually pretty people because they are models... They just happen to model in cosplay too? I could be wrong.

However, you have the more well known cosplayers like Voltz and Stripper Vash (Jim and Zach) who are not well known for being good looking OR for making their own costumes, but they get invited to conventions because they are entertaining and can provide fillers at those huge american masquerades, or help move panels along. I think that's a nice idea- and they don't act like 'celebrity' guests, they are just there to help- almost like a gopher or an MC. I think it's kind of nice ^^' Limebarb/Babz is a costumier professionally specialising in cosplay costumes, and I'm sure that a few people on CosIsland have had her make their costumes... (she is expensive though ;__ so wouldn't it be nice to get advice at a panel from someone like that who REALLY knows their craft? I kind of think that's a nice idea too ^^ I'm sure some people would appreciate the extra help. Just because you invite a more veteran cosplayer to a convention to help out, it doesn't mean they have to be elitist and snobby or anything I think :/

I take this thread quite heartfelt-ly because last saturday I was invited as special guest cosplayer (sponsored by the event) to host their cosplay masquerade. Whilst there I took part in several interviews, photoshoots, and of course fulfilled my duty by giving out advice to newer cosplayers when I could (and being a general cosplay helpie the whole day), plus running their masquerade. So I was kind of cosplay co-ordinator as well in a sense. I did it because I enjoy helping people, and making people smile, and I loved being able to give something back to the cosplay community. It was all expenses paid, and it did make me feel slightly priviledged, although it was hard work, took dedication, and was nerve-wracking to the very last. However everyone was kind to me, I think people appreciated what I did, and everyone had a great time because the entire event was fantastic (maybe even a tiny small part of that was thanks to me, but I wouldn't count on it XD)...

Also, I'm not a veteran- my first convention was AmeCon '08 so I'm not sure why I make a good choice as a cosplay guest. But evidently someone thinks so and I'm not going to question it because I enjoyed it immensely!

I personally admire anyone who has the guts and bones to put themselves under the pressure of being a guest at a con (whether cosplayer or voice talent etc), because at the end of the day if you make a blunder or act shamefully then everyone is going to know about it.

However I'm totally with people that people who are guests should have something to offer to the con. Whether it's their sage advice as a manga-ka, their unique experiences as seiyuu, or costuming advice, or photography sage, personality and humour, or whatever! I think that so long as a guest gives something to the attendees and makes the attendees feel great... who cares whether they bought their ticket or not if they make you happy?

(Gosh I probably sound like a right plonker now...)

We already have people who are invited to host things, don't we? And I'm not sure, but do the MC's pay to get into their cons?

I'm not sure about how guests and stuff stands in the UK but I know in America, they take cosplay guests with a pinch of salt or so I'm told. People are guests mainly because they have a skill to add like a gopher, I don't think that cosplayers can really be classed as "celebrities" though and I don't think that they will ever get glittering treatment.

I'm just babbling now. I think I need to lie down ^^


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27 Nov 2009 - 23:2223156
Quote Sands:

Also, for anyone who was at Aya, weren't you all really happy about meeting Matt and JoEllan? I know a lot of people were really excited about meeting them because of their Brawl series. So doesn't make them a "cosplay celebrity" and a guest you'd like to meet?



I know this is an unpopular comment and opinion, but I think its fair to look at this from another end of the spectrum?
If any of you got offered to be a cosplay guest at an international convention, fully paid, would you turn it down?


I think it is good to look at things from a different point of view and you make a good point.

I wouldn't turn down the oppertunity to have a fully funded trip to a different country. You'd be a fool to do that. But I happen to think this whole 'cosplay celebrity' thing is just silly.

Honestly speaking, when people mentioned Matt and JoEllen going to Ayacon I had NO idea who either of them were. I had heard their names. But I didn't know what they were famous for and I hadn't seen or heard of There Will Be Brawl - so when I met them both it was with no expectations and they both turned out to be completely lovely and down to earth.

I don't know if others who carry the "cosplay celeb" title are or are not as down to earth, or if they've let things go to their head. But I don't intend to make judgements about people without meeting them first. There's no point. Otherwise you'll be consistantly jaded. I'm sure we all know of a certain website that spews some truely venemous remarks about cosplayers both national and international. As the saying goes, you can't believe everything you read.

I'm totally going off on a different road than I started on. o.O;

The point (I think) is, that its unlikely we, as a cosplay community, will ever have members of said community invited to other events in other countries because we're such a small community and most cosplayers relatively unknown. From what I know the only UK cosplayers invited to an event in the USA I think it was, was KellyJane and TealPirate.

The communities in wider Europe and the USA especially is a lot bigger. There are more cosplayers, and more people stand out. Not to mention we have ONE "big" con a year which runs for three days. The USA seems to have one or two 4 day conventions every month in different states in the height of con season, which seems to be from like April until October!

So... will the UK ever have cosplayers invited to be guests? Probably not, or if they do, in the case of KJ and TP, then not often.

~Silver


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27 Nov 2009 - 23:3223158
Quote Silver:

So... will the UK ever have cosplayers invited to be guests? Probably not, or if they do, in the case of KJ and TP, then not often.

~Silver


Yeah, I do think that the concept of shipping UK cosplayers out to other countries as guests seems a bit of a long-term goal, if it's reachable at all. People see the UK as a spec on the cosplay map I think, so I think we'll be keeping our cosplayers to ourselves for a while.

But who knows? Maybe one day we'll be organised enough to go to the Cosplay World Summit and show the world we're not just a spec!


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27 Nov 2009 - 23:3923159
Quote Missytetra:
But who knows? Maybe one day we'll be organised enough to go to the Cosplay World Summit and show the world we're not just a spec!


I think that's the big step that we're aiming for and I know for sure that there are a lot of people who were fighting hard to get us into it. I'd never enter something like that ^_^' nowhere near good enough but I think there are some people in the UK who would do REALLY well in a competition like that and maybe get the UK some recognition ^_^


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