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27 Apr 2009 - 09:3113467
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?


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27 Apr 2009 - 09:4713468
Quote Silver:
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?

Wow, do people really do that? I mean, I understand calling the people who stare at you when you nip into Mickey D's in costume during a con "norms", but using the name to refer to your fellow attendees who aren't in costume seems a bit... mean-spirited? Elitist? It's not nice, anyway.


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27 Apr 2009 - 11:2413472
Quote Sillabub:
Quote Silver:
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?

Wow, do people really do that? I mean, I understand calling the people who stare at you when you nip into Mickey D's in costume during a con "norms", but using the name to refer to your fellow attendees who aren't in costume seems a bit... mean-spirited? Elitist? It's not nice, anyway.


Pompous was the word I used to describe it when talking to a friend.

We're a much smaller minority then people who don't cosplay. Just because they don't make and dress up in costume doesn't make them bad or different.
We're all still human.

Stupid comments like that is how bad blood and segregation occours. Surely history has taught us that. Maybe I'm being a little over dramatic, but it makes a point.


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27 Apr 2009 - 11:2813473
I need to also mention, the first time I used a proper dress pattern, and trusted it implicitly, the dress came out like it had shrunk three sizes in the wash - it wouldn't even fit my 16 year old niece (who must be like size 8). Turns out American sizes are different to ours ..Don't you just hate that! ..Now I have to go buy the material all over again. :S

Note to self: be carefull where the pattern comes from... sometimes size 12 is not size 12!


27 Apr 2009 - 11:3813475
Quote Ranma1-2:
I need to also mention, the first time I used a proper dress pattern, and trusted it implicitly, the dress came out like it had shrunk three sizes in the wash - it wouldn't even fit my 16 year old niece (who must be like size 8). Turns out American sizes are different to ours ..Don't you just hate that! ..Now I have to go buy the material all over again. :S

Note to self: be carefull where the pattern comes from... sometimes size 12 is not size 12!


Oh yeah. I hate that. US sizes are like... 2 below ours. So a size 8 in US is a size 12 here. I think. I might have that mixed up.

It should say in the pattern book the sizes in US, Euro and UK.

But yeah - it does suck.


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27 Apr 2009 - 13:4313494
Its not a problem with the actual cosplay... But more the fact that I HAVE NO FREAKING TIME TO ACTUALLY MAKE MY OUTFIT!! DX

Stupid GCSEs taking up all of my time...
Stupid not having any money to buy stuff...
Stupid post times from Hong Kong...

Ahrgh.


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27 Apr 2009 - 15:4113498
OH MY GOD OKI HAS SO MANY STUPID WHITE DETAILS ON HIS WAISTCOAT!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!±!!!!EQ@±!£$$@


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27 Apr 2009 - 17:3513502
Quote Silver:
Quote Sillabub:
Quote Silver:
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?

Wow, do people really do that? I mean, I understand calling the people who stare at you when you nip into Mickey D's in costume during a con "norms", but using the name to refer to your fellow attendees who aren't in costume seems a bit... mean-spirited? Elitist? It's not nice, anyway.


Pompous was the word I used to describe it when talking to a friend.

We're a much smaller minority then people who don't cosplay. Just because they don't make and dress up in costume doesn't make them bad or different.
We're all still human.

Stupid comments like that is how bad blood and segregation occours. Surely history has taught us that. Maybe I'm being a little over dramatic, but it makes a point.


Since when has "normal" been an insult? By calling the non-cosplayers at a con "norms" you're implying that you're weird. And yeah, we're dressed up as characters from cartoon shows, we're not exactly the height of what is considered normal. I always figured it was more of a poke at cosplayers for wearing silly outfits.

But I do not mind, I accept that I am a silly.

Tab


27 Apr 2009 - 22:5013529
Current 'hate' of mine is when you get cosplayers staging fights in small lobbies, who then whine when asked to stop.
There were so many people sword fighting in Premier Inn in October that I even said things myself. It makes us all seem like total idiots to people who see them.

Another one is when you think you have a good idea and the good idea really...isn't that good. :/

Case in point. Me trying to make a transfer out of gelatin. Why oh why did I think this was a good idea? WHY!?
I'm not even sure was possessed me to even think that it would be a good idea.


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27 Apr 2009 - 23:1613533
Quote Uber-Nerd:
Since when has "normal" been an insult? By calling the non-cosplayers at a con "norms" you're implying that you're weird. And yeah, we're dressed up as characters from cartoon shows, we're not exactly the height of what is considered normal. I always figured it was more of a poke at cosplayers for wearing silly outfits.

I don't think it's so much the word itself as it is the sentiment behind it. The sense in which I've always understood "norm" when it's used to refer to non-con attendees who give you funny looks is that it's a way of reclaiming "weird". Sure, we're all a bit weird, hanging out in a hotel for the weekend and talking about cartoons that tend to be in a language many of us don't speak particularly well if at all, but we're comfortable with our weirdness and we'd rather not be boring, "normal" people - "norms".

Using it within within a subset of anime fandom to refer to other anime fans who don't fall into that subset feels unnecessarily divisive to me, and even a bit depressing since British anime fandom in general strikes me as being very open and friendly and inclusive.

If that makes sense?


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28 Apr 2009 - 00:3713536
Why cant I decide who to start making next? I will not allow myself to have 3 cosplays on the go! I HAVE TO PICK ONE DAMMIT!


28 Apr 2009 - 08:2513538
Quote stripey_dani:
Why cant I decide who to start making next? I will not allow myself to have 3 cosplays on the go! I HAVE TO PICK ONE DAMMIT!


Only three? That's pretty impressive, I struggle to keep myself to five. XD;;


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28 Apr 2009 - 09:1113540
Quote Member-XI:
Current 'hate' of mine is when you get cosplayers staging fights in small lobbies, who then whine when asked to stop.
There were so many people sword fighting in Premier Inn in October that I even said things myself. It makes us all seem like total idiots to people who see them.


Haw haw, I wear suits EVERYWHERE... I remember shouting at some cosplayers who were running up and down the halls shouting at midnight in the hotel. They thought that I was a business man! (That WAS my intention...) They appolgised profusely XD;

Oh, I love scaring people XD

And... ARROWS... I HATE HAVING TO FLETCH ARROWS! >__________________<;;;


28 Apr 2009 - 10:2513545
having to hand stitch everything.... i dont know how to use a machine so everything has to be done by hand........

god hand stitching robes are a nightmare esp when i have a kid to look after all day and only have evenings to do it....
and hand stitching goatskin leather gloves..... thats a finger killer..... my fingers still dont feel right lol....


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28 Apr 2009 - 14:4513549
Quote RanmaSyaoran:


And... ARROWS... I HATE HAVING TO FLETCH ARROWS! >__________________<;;;



I know your pain, I bought a load new shafts last year from a direct source and they didn't come fletched or had piles or knocks;
even with two fletching jigs it still took a couple of days to get them all complete.
(they wern't for cosplay, i'm actualy an archer)


28 Apr 2009 - 15:2113554
Quote infinitydragon:
Quote RanmaSyaoran:


And... ARROWS... I HATE HAVING TO FLETCH ARROWS! >__________________<;;;



I know your pain, I bought a load new shafts last year from a direct source and they didn't come fletched or had piles or knocks;
even with two fletching jigs it still took a couple of days to get them all complete.
(they wern't for cosplay, i'm actualy an archer)


I'm "attempting" to glue craft foam onto dowling XD;;;


28 Apr 2009 - 15:2213555
Quote Rwylin:
having to hand stitch everything.... i dont know how to use a machine so everything has to be done by hand........

god hand stitching robes are a nightmare esp when i have a kid to look after all day and only have evenings to do it....
and hand stitching goatskin leather gloves..... thats a finger killer..... my fingers still dont feel right lol....


Haw haw, I have a set of gloves with metal finger-tips for that XD!


28 Apr 2009 - 18:3613571
Arg! Sewing machine! Why don't you work, I'm sure it's not just me failing at sewing. D:

And hat! Hem straight damnit... Stupid fleece.


28 Apr 2009 - 20:0513581
Quote Silver:
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?


Good point, I mean many other people who dont cosplay or know cosplayers dont
really label them as 'abnormal', to me theres no such thing as normal


28 Apr 2009 - 20:1013583
Quote DeathGodsEatApples:
Quote Silver:
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?


Good point, I mean many other people who dont cosplay or know cosplayers dont
really label them as 'abnormal', to me theres no such thing as normal


Calling them 'abnormal' is really an insult.

They're just -people-. They dont't dress up in costume, there's not reason to label them.


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29 Apr 2009 - 22:2213672
The fact the fabric paint I have just soaked through the suedette I've been using. It doesn't look that great. Fortunately, This was a test piece. I feel like I've wasted money on the stuff though. Now, begins the painstaking task of cutting and sewing tiny decorative pieces on instead.


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01 May 2009 - 18:3713756
Blargh, I ordered old age stipple, castor sealer and a Ben Nye colour wheel from the same company at the same time, in the same order...And they sent them all separately. And the castor sealer has got here before the stipple and color wheel. I can't use one without the other. And I have been told the color wheel could take four weeks to get here, which means its not in time for expo, which means I'll have to substitute and buy face powders instead of the creme color wheel, which is hella easier to blend than said powder. -_-
I hate that us UK lot have to go over seas for most cosplay items. ;_;


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03 May 2009 - 17:3713817
Quote Silver:
Calling people who don't cosplay "norms". I mean... what's the point?


I ended up picking up the phrase from my American friends, I hadn't heard of it until they used it ^^' I don't think it's meant to be insulting, I think they use it mainly to distinguish "normal people" (aka non-cosplayers, non-attendees, just your stranger on the street kinda thing) from cosplayers or in a looser sense the entire anime and video game fandom. I don't think it's an "us and them" thing though, I always thought it was a way that we make fun of ourselves by saying we're not normal because we're crazy cosplayers (all philosophical debates about whether 'normal' exists aside) ^____^ I'm don't disagree with you, but I don't agree wholly. Personally I find it easier to say "norms" over "everyone I saw in the street who wasn't a cosplayer". I don't like to label people, but it's similarly easy to say "the goths" rather than saying "the children that like rock music and wear dark clothes and have pale makeup who stand outside such and such a club". It's just a quick indication so people know the general jist of what you're talking about I think. I don't think it's meant in a nasty way and I'm pretty sure that a lot of "norms" would rather be labelled a normal person than anything else but I guess I'll never know O.o Either way I don't use it that much because I don't generally talk about non-cosplaying population-- I'd be talking TO them ^^

Anyway onto my hate of the moment: So many costumes, so little time and money!

(That's about it in a nutshell, isn't that the story of a cosplayers life?)


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03 May 2009 - 18:5913819
Guh, fuck you giant drill of death. I will figure out how to attach you to the motor properly you little bitch.

-Tab


04 May 2009 - 23:0913915
Quote Uber-Nerd:
Guh, fuck you giant drill of death. I will figure out how to attach you to the motor properly you little bitch.

-Tab
ha ha ha ha, ..ha ha ha ha
That's it ..tell it who's the boss.


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