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20 Dec 2013 - 15:47109747
Quote NixieThePixie:

This comment, btw, I found really rude in regards to J-Po's comment. Her point was 100% valid to your original comment and opening topic. If you wanted it to be about materials, why this topic name? You're encouraging a "I think prop rules are [x] because of [y]" answer.


The topic is about materials, first and foremost. She's not even reading the topic, I don't mean to be rude but if I came into one of her threads and started to derail it and started lecturing her then she probably wouldn't be happy either.

The reason the topic is titled the way it is is because this is an MCM specific thread. If I asked for replacements for wood I would get the 'Why do you want to do that?' 'What con are you going to?' 'What are the rules like?' answers. My question is specific to MCM because it's entirely in their hands. I've been to MCM and other conventions with solid wooden weapons before and never had them confiscated, I've also never ever seen any trouble at MCM whatsoever in the 6 (nearly 7) years I've been going. Not related to props or otherwise.

But the reality is, I want a prop that will not get confiscated, so I'm looking for people's experience with this. There were people getting items confiscated that WEREN'T wood and AFAIK weren't even in breach of the rules (which I did check the update rules before the event), so simply asking for 'replacements for wood' as a topic title wouldn't help me much.


20 Dec 2013 - 18:29109751
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
The topic is about materials, first and foremost. She's not even reading the topic, I don't mean to be rude but if I came into one of her threads and started to derail it and started lecturing her then she probably wouldn't be happy either.

But the reality is, I want a prop that will not get confiscated, so I'm looking for people's experience with this. There were people getting items confiscated that WEREN'T wood and AFAIK weren't even in breach of the rules (which I did check the update rules before the event), so simply asking for 'replacements for wood' as a topic title wouldn't help me much.


You must be new to the internet

For materials look at:
Plastic (acrylics, thermo-plastics, etc)
Foam (expanded polystyrene, craft foam, upholstry foam, loft insulation board)
Card (corrugated cardboard, cereal packet card, foamboard)
Weird stuff (plastic drinks bottles, expanding filler, laundry baskets, etc)

As for the rules, its not just materials. My general rule of thumb is "Might a police marksman accidentally shoot me if I wandered into his crosshairs waving this about?"


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20 Dec 2013 - 18:50109752
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
As for the rules, its not just materials. My general rule of thumb is "Might a police marksman accidentally shoot me if I wandered into his crosshairs waving this about?"


Quite.


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20 Dec 2013 - 20:52109755
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
The topic is about materials, first and foremost. She's not even reading the topic, I don't mean to be rude but if I came into one of her threads and started to derail it and started lecturing her then she probably wouldn't be happy either.

But the reality is, I want a prop that will not get confiscated, so I'm looking for people's experience with this. There were people getting items confiscated that WEREN'T wood and AFAIK weren't even in breach of the rules (which I did check the update rules before the event), so simply asking for 'replacements for wood' as a topic title wouldn't help me much.


You must be new to the internet

For materials look at:
Plastic (acrylics, thermo-plastics, etc)
Foam (expanded polystyrene, craft foam, upholstry foam, loft insulation board)
Card (corrugated cardboard, cereal packet card, foamboard)
Weird stuff (plastic drinks bottles, expanding filler, laundry baskets, etc)

As for the rules, its not just materials. My general rule of thumb is "Might a police marksman accidentally shoot me if I wandered into his crosshairs waving this about?"


Thing is though, police would shoot you for anything if they thought you were threatening enough...and that kind of brings up something else, if you made a super realistic looking machete from a harmless material like cardboard then you'd definitely get gunned down or at least tazed.

I mean really, by nature anywhere with thousands of cosplayers is going to be a health and safety nightmare. If the police were chasing a violent gunman or something through the ExCeL Centre they'd have no idea who to shoot or who is or isn't a threat...even without the props.

This is why I opened up the thread the way I did - if I want to avoid wood and instead chose something like rubber (I'm kind of stuck on this idea for some reason) or silicone to get the weight just right, sure I wouldn't be breaking the wood rule, but they might just confiscate it anyway because it's too heavy or something.

And then on the flipside, if you made something like an axe or something with fake blood and some human hair stuck on it, that's equally sketchy and the police are not going to like it one bit. Without someone chipping in with experience from October I have no idea what would or wouldn't fly, but it seems like as long as you're going for something realistic the rules will screw you either way.


20 Dec 2013 - 21:22109756
Weight plus strength are why hard woods are banned at many cons for large props.

Finding a replacement that's equally strong and heavy defeats the point, as it's just as likely its going to injure someone.

Unfortunately, this will not change as rules used to be looser, idiots abused them, ruined it for the majority. It is what it is - it's for insurance reasons and legal reasons.


22 Dec 2013 - 09:30109774
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
The topic is about materials, first and foremost. She's not even reading the topic, I don't mean to be rude but if I came into one of her threads and started to derail it and started lecturing her then she probably wouldn't be happy either.

But the reality is, I want a prop that will not get confiscated, so I'm looking for people's experience with this. There were people getting items confiscated that WEREN'T wood and AFAIK weren't even in breach of the rules (which I did check the update rules before the event), so simply asking for 'replacements for wood' as a topic title wouldn't help me much.


You must be new to the internet

For materials look at:
Plastic (acrylics, thermo-plastics, etc)
Foam (expanded polystyrene, craft foam, upholstry foam, loft insulation board)
Card (corrugated cardboard, cereal packet card, foamboard)
Weird stuff (plastic drinks bottles, expanding filler, laundry baskets, etc)

As for the rules, its not just materials. My general rule of thumb is "Might a police marksman accidentally shoot me if I wandered into his crosshairs waving this about?"


Thing is though, police would shoot you for anything if they thought you were threatening enough...and that kind of brings up something else, if you made a super realistic looking machete from a harmless material like cardboard then you'd definitely get gunned down or at least tazed.

I mean really, by nature anywhere with thousands of cosplayers is going to be a health and safety nightmare. If the police were chasing a violent gunman or something through the ExCeL Centre they'd have no idea who to shoot or who is or isn't a threat...even without the props.

This is why I opened up the thread the way I did - if I want to avoid wood and instead chose something like rubber (I'm kind of stuck on this idea for some reason) or silicone to get the weight just right, sure I wouldn't be breaking the wood rule, but they might just confiscate it anyway because it's too heavy or something.

And then on the flipside, if you made something like an axe or something with fake blood and some human hair stuck on it, that's equally sketchy and the police are not going to like it one bit. Without someone chipping in with experience from October I have no idea what would or wouldn't fly, but it seems like as long as you're going for something realistic the rules will screw you either way.


Wow... How stupid are you? I just don't see how you can totally miss the point like this so many times. Actually, yes a prop would be confiscated if it was too heavy. It might not be weighed on scales but it would still be judged as dangerous.

Your whole argument is not valid. There are factors behaviour and context that would apply here. Of course if you are stupid enough to attack strangers with a prop covered in fake blood, then you would be arrested...

Stop crying 'It's not fair' like a spoiled child, and use your head a little.


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23 Dec 2013 - 02:52109787
Rules have been put there for a reason. Be it by law or some idiot somewhere causing a problem.

Personally, I see it as a challenge to try and create a good alternative that works within the law.

For example, for years I have been able to carry a six foot medieval long bow for my Legolas costume. Because it is a real bow with a proper draw weight of 60lbs it is no longer allowed at events. Yes, I was a little disappointed but it gave me the chance to be creative and come up with a replacement that works within the con laws and looks the part. I made my new bow out of a PVC pipe. Its lighter and looks more the part. It doesn't fire (I've tested it) so it is completely con safe. I would honestly say that I am overall much happier with it than my old bow. It looks better and I made it from scratch which is something to be proud of.

There are plenty of alternative materials out there that can work for con safe weapons and props. Just use a little imagination and you can come up with all kinds of ways.

I found it to be fun and creative which for me is a large part of cosplay.


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24 Dec 2013 - 19:06109813
Quote Ice-climber:
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
The topic is about materials, first and foremost. She's not even reading the topic, I don't mean to be rude but if I came into one of her threads and started to derail it and started lecturing her then she probably wouldn't be happy either.

But the reality is, I want a prop that will not get confiscated, so I'm looking for people's experience with this. There were people getting items confiscated that WEREN'T wood and AFAIK weren't even in breach of the rules (which I did check the update rules before the event), so simply asking for 'replacements for wood' as a topic title wouldn't help me much.


You must be new to the internet

For materials look at:
Plastic (acrylics, thermo-plastics, etc)
Foam (expanded polystyrene, craft foam, upholstry foam, loft insulation board)
Card (corrugated cardboard, cereal packet card, foamboard)
Weird stuff (plastic drinks bottles, expanding filler, laundry baskets, etc)

As for the rules, its not just materials. My general rule of thumb is "Might a police marksman accidentally shoot me if I wandered into his crosshairs waving this about?"


Thing is though, police would shoot you for anything if they thought you were threatening enough...and that kind of brings up something else, if you made a super realistic looking machete from a harmless material like cardboard then you'd definitely get gunned down or at least tazed.

I mean really, by nature anywhere with thousands of cosplayers is going to be a health and safety nightmare. If the police were chasing a violent gunman or something through the ExCeL Centre they'd have no idea who to shoot or who is or isn't a threat...even without the props.

This is why I opened up the thread the way I did - if I want to avoid wood and instead chose something like rubber (I'm kind of stuck on this idea for some reason) or silicone to get the weight just right, sure I wouldn't be breaking the wood rule, but they might just confiscate it anyway because it's too heavy or something.

And then on the flipside, if you made something like an axe or something with fake blood and some human hair stuck on it, that's equally sketchy and the police are not going to like it one bit. Without someone chipping in with experience from October I have no idea what would or wouldn't fly, but it seems like as long as you're going for something realistic the rules will screw you either way.


Wow... How stupid are you? I just don't see how you can totally miss the point like this so many times. Actually, yes a prop would be confiscated if it was too heavy. It might not be weighed on scales but it would still be judged as dangerous.

Your whole argument is not valid. There are factors behaviour and context that would apply here. Of course if you are stupid enough to attack strangers with a prop covered in fake blood, then you would be arrested...

Stop crying 'It's not fair' like a spoiled child, and use your head a little.


Sorry but I don't deserve flaming and verbal abuse for this - I'm getting an admin in here, you've taken this way too far. I've raised a very valid point but now you're just flinging insults and jumping to conclusions about implications I didn't make just to justify your initial 'OP is trying to stir the pot' accusation.


25 Dec 2013 - 21:08109837
Quote ThePrinceOfSkittles:
Sorry but I don't deserve flaming and verbal abuse for this - I'm getting an admin in here, you've taken this way too far. I've raised a very valid point but now you're just flinging insults and jumping to conclusions about implications I didn't make just to justify your initial 'OP is trying to stir the pot' accusation.


Actually, you didn't make any kind of valid point. You just want to make something dangerous and against, not just MCM's rules, but any convention or event's rules. Angel Tear, Pudding, and most other people have told you straight multiple times that you are being unreasonable. Throughout this thread you have been throwing a tantrum and not even attempting to listen to anyone that isn't screaming with you. I really can't tell if you are trolling or are just that damn stupid at this point. I mean did you actually read my posts or were just looking for something to get upset about?

Let's just break a few things down:
1. These rules are pretty much the general standard
2. They are there for insurance and health & safety reasons
3. It's not the weight of the prop that matters. It's how you work and pose with it.
4. Part of cosplay is creating props that fit to an events rules. We are not trying to make full size, functioning weapons here.
5. Heavy props are dangerous.

The recommendation from myself and the other much more experienced cosplayers than yourself here, is that are more experienced than yourself is simply to work with the rules. Take some time to think it through. Google tutorials FFS. Stop looking for validation for wanting to cause death by blunt force trauma.

Grow up. Stop crying. Understand that you are the one in the wrong here.


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