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12 Mar 2009 - 22:4311636
Does yaoi go too far?
hi there

I was just wondering what everyones opinion of yaoi is here. ive been amongst the anime community for roughly 5 years now, and during that time, ive seen the level of interest in yaoi grow into what it is today, from what i percieved to be a very minor percentage of the population way back then. but my question specifically is, has it now gone too far?

now, as most of my friends will attest too, im probably one of the most easy going guys around when it comes to relationships. i may be as straight as a pole, but many of my good friends are bi or gay, and i have a huge respect for people like that. its their choice after all. i was appauled when prop 8 was brought into force in america last year, such is my respect for that population.

i know there is currently a large number of supporters of yaoi in the community a the moment. hell, ive just been on the main page of this site, to be greeted my a photo of 2 male characters kissing. it seems to be pretty much inescapable at the moment. to be honest, im fine with the idea that it exists. yaoi manga and anime are fine, and i know they exist to explore the ideals behind such relationships. but my problem comes when so many anime fans today seem to do it purely for the sake of getting attention and for the sake of being yaoi. you can hardly watch a series of omake at cons, without the invariable "2 male characters kissing" skit. and it gets bad when it gets a better laugh or clap than a fantastic omake that is origional and well thought out but contains no yaoi. ive been to several cons, to see girls holding up signs saying "will do yaoi for food". in my opinion, there is no need for it! keep yaoi to yaoi. it annoys me to see 2 unrelated male characters being portrayed in that light, when in the series/game, they are not like that. is that really cosplaying? it may be the costume bit, but your hardly "playing" in the sense of acting like your character are you? i really dont see why so many girls (or guys) support it to the level they do, and i really think that these days, it goes much too far. the only excuse you ever get it "but its cute!" well, sorry, but to me, seeing cloud and sephiroth with their tongues down each others throats is really not cute, its just taking it too far!

anyway, lol. thats my rant over. what are your opinions on this area of the anime/manga niche?


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Last edited by Fishyfins (12 Mar 2009 - 22:47)
12 Mar 2009 - 23:0711637
I'm a fan of slash or yaoi myself, but I tend to keep it to myself for the most part. I find it kind of embarrassing to see people flaunting it everywhere sometimes(Will yaoi for food signs for e.g.), but that's just me.

People are free to act however they like, at the end of the day I'm not bothered too much by it. I enjoy slash,but I'm not gonna shout it from the rooftops or anything LOL.


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12 Mar 2009 - 23:1411638
did i go to far
sorry if that pic i added isent to tactful it was meant as a joke between me and gf the girl dressed as cloud, iv actuly never seen any yaoi before



Last edited by spike42 (12 Mar 2009 - 23:17) Reason: spelling
12 Mar 2009 - 23:1811639
Quote balthier42b:
sorry if that pic i added isent to tactful it was meant as a joke between me and gf the girl dressed as cloud


lol, its nothing against you, or even the photo, just using it to highlight some points. its ok in moderation. but most people (specifically at cons) take it far too far!


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12 Mar 2009 - 23:2011640
I actually think there's a thread based on this already in the forums for a similar aspect, its on the 'Should Signs be Banned at Events?' thread, I think.

But anyway I say if you don't like it, pay no heed to it. Let them do what they want. I get annoyed by some slash myself, and complain a little now and then, but what'cha going to do? It doesn't really hurt anyone.


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12 Mar 2009 - 23:3611641
Pretty much what Monkey said.

I don't like slash or yaoi or shounen-ai (not to be mean, but you are using the wrong terminology. Yaoi - hardcore maleXmale sex. Shounen-ai - softcore maleXmale relationships (hugs kissing etc). Its a common mistake) but I just turn the other way. I don't like people being silly to ruin my conventions.

Occasionally I get riled by it. Being it with a "yaoi" paddle at the October Expo annoyed me and people dry humping on the green hill outside the expo centre (this mostly annoys me because its a FAMILY event. If you're that horny, save it for your hotel room).

But really its like: 'meh whatever'.


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12 Mar 2009 - 23:4411642
if its an actual anime or manga that contains yaoi im fine with it, that was the intended storyline great if i like the characters and the plot i may really like it and find it cute ect =)

but being 14 and being addicted to overly mushy elaborate fanfics is in my past (thank god) and id rather keep well out

however i have a nice collection of actual yaoi/shonen ai mangas on my computer if anyone wants =) theres a couple of favourites i have with really nice art! (most importantly....drumroll....a plot!...well some )


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12 Mar 2009 - 23:4511643
*gasp* Yaoi with plot?! I never would believe it!


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12 Mar 2009 - 23:5411644
*agrees with Silver*
Not my thing but as long as you don't flaunt it in my face at a family event then like it all you want.


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13 Mar 2009 - 00:0311645
Quote Monkey:
*gasp* Yaoi with plot?! I never would believe it!


yeah theres an evil old lady and a kidnapping and everything! =O i was impressed for a yaoi XD !


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13 Mar 2009 - 00:1111646
As the writer of a gay webcomic yaoi gets thrown in my face a lot. People seem to think that men kissing = yaoi.

I'm of the opinion that my stuff isn't because I'm not Japanese, I don't draw in a manga style, and I don't call it yaoi, shonen ai or any other Japanese words. And yet I get the odd person like "ZOMG YAOI".

They soon get put in their place. -_-

But with yaoi I probably wouldn't have the fan base I have now. So double edged sword. So I shall live with it.

Because you know yaoi is just all the lesbians getting revenge on the generic chauvanistic male after all these years. It's a conspiracy you know.

Tab

(Please no one take that last paragraph seriously!)


13 Mar 2009 - 00:1311647
I have mixed feelings over this, I guess it depends on what exactly is being done... if that makes sense.
I personally like shonen/shoujo-ai, yaoi, yuri, hentei etc in fandoms and stuff, and some of my friends are gay and I'm ok with that. However, I agree with fishy-kun on the omake part. I remember at a Recon cosplay competition, most of the people there only voted for one person because they were cosplaying from a hentai video game. Had she not said it was from hentai, she might've gotten 2nd place at most.

I think yaoi etc, can be considered going too far if people go over the top with it with things like what the others have said (yaoi paddle, dry-humping, will yaoi for food). But it's cute when it's done right, if that makes sense. Like a photo I've seen of Naruto and Sasuke kissing, it's cute and they're trying to act in character. Sure, some characters don't do this in canon, and some people will either like it or hate it, it depends on their fandom, but if it's done tastefully it's ok.... Ok, I don't know what my point is but I hope someone understands ^^;;;

... I think this thread has given me an idea for an omake


13 Mar 2009 - 00:2711649
Quote kilik_hiwatari:

... I think this thread has given me an idea for an omake


Oh that brings me onto another point.

I have never been so bored and irritated with performances as I was with AmeCon's omake.

Yaoi/shounen-ai skits are boring, predicable and really, really old. At the ameCon omake, all but about three of the skits were yaoi/shounen-ai orientated. And two of those were people singing.
The only funny skit that mentioned yaoi/shounen-ai was a Yu-Gi-Oh skit, which made fun of the whole fandom.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for having fun in the omake, but if you're going to do a skit, get a fresh, original idea. Don't rely on having yaoi as the punch line.


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13 Mar 2009 - 00:3511650
Quote Silver:

Oh that brings me onto another point.

I have never been so bored and irritated with performances as I was with AmeCon's omake.

Yaoi/shounen-ai skits are boring, predicable and really, really old. At the ameCon omake, all but about three of the skits were yaoi/shounen-ai orientated. And two of those were people singing.
The only funny skit that mentioned yaoi/shounen-ai was a Yu-Gi-Oh skit, which made fun of the whole fandom.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for having fun in the omake, but if you're going to do a skit, get a fresh, original idea. Don't rely on having yaoi as the punch line.


Trust me ^_~ yaoi isn't gonna be the punchline... well it is but not in the way you're expecting. It might never happen tho cause I'm not a very good writer and I get stage fright.
I half-agree with the amecon skits, but the naruto one I found quite funny, although that might be because I'm a naruto fan and was expecting Kakashi to do 1000 years of death somewhere along the line. The Gravitation skit was good too but yaoi/shonan-ai was to be expected from that since that's the basis of the series.


13 Mar 2009 - 01:2011653
Honestly - I dont get the big deal about YAOI end of!


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13 Mar 2009 - 01:2511654
Quote Sands:
Honestly - I dont get the big deal about YAOI end of!


Maybe its a young person thing, and we're to old and boring to understand it now? XP


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13 Mar 2009 - 01:4211655
Yaoi in and of itself doesn't bother me. I don't enjoy it and I don't understand the appeal of it, but hey, individual tastes are individual tastes and the fact that yaoi exists and has a thriving audience neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket.

Yaoi fanboys/girls, on the other hand - as distinct from plain old fans who simply enjoy the genre - irritate me. I can't say I entirely agree with the "it's not hurting anyone" mentality, simply because, well, whether you're squealing incessantly about boys kissing other boys and dry-humping other cosplayers at a family event or not, it does generate a bad image of anime fans in general (although I will agree that it's not just over-excited yaoi fans who are guilty of this, but that's a whole other rant for another time). Anime and cosplay are already seen as "weird" things to be into, and I'd personally rather not have non-convention attendees see me, as a cosplayer and anime fan, and decide that I must also have no sense of social propriety because they saw a load of other anime fans and cosplayers trying to suck each other's faces off outside and have concluded that such behaviour is typical of all of us.


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13 Mar 2009 - 02:2011656
Sorry for the 'its not hurting anyone' thing, I meant it more as a sort of, its going to happen, and its going to keep happening thing, there isn't too much that can be done about it. Perhaps you can have someone speak to the people taking it a bit too far, making us anime fans have a bad name. Though I know that in practice people find that kind of thing rude and awkward to go and ask people to stop. Some do, but some don't. Either way its not going to stop entirely. Yeah... sorry, I'm a real 'meh' kinda person with these kinds of things ^^;.


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13 Mar 2009 - 10:2511662
i am a yaoi fan and do read/watch it quite often but i do agree that the sucking eachothers face off and dry humping esp at expo is going to far.
i may be a yaoi fangirl but were not all like that i do not shove my yaoi in others faces and im sure there are other yaoi fangirls who also think the same.
I do have a boy x boy = heart t-shirt which i have worn for expo but that is as far as i go, i do not see that as shoving it in ppls faces personaly i know others may see it in a diffrent way.


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13 Mar 2009 - 10:4111663
I my opinion the raving fangirls are only above Hentai guy and the Con Groper on the highearacy of anime fans.


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13 Mar 2009 - 10:4411664
I have been into anime going on 15-16 years now, ive seen many fads in the anime center that come and go but as fishyfins was saying this yaoi fad has proliforated over the past 5 years at cons. in my opinion its just another medium for attention seekers to pull the everyone look at me please line. All they get from me is pure unadulterated pathos. But like the majority here im of the everything in moderation thing speaking as a bi male who has actually had a male partner I take Yaoi/shonen-ai as something of levity often spaking "Thats not how men have sex with men!!!" So to cut a long story short im all for peoples opinions on yaio but my own is "tone it down a smidge at cons plz there are tiddlypeeps around"

ps Rwyln secretly thinks that t-shirt is kinda cute ^^


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13 Mar 2009 - 10:5911665
I'm not a fan of yaoi myself, but it doesn't bother me if other people like it. Each to their own.

Yaoi fangirls - I'm sure that most of them have never even looked at proper yaoi before. The way they all act is annoying and stupid, and quite honestly, they're bringing it upon themselves if people are looking down on them because of their stupid behaviour.

Also, agreeing with Silver, 'yaoi' skits are boring me now. Might have been funny the first couple of times, but now it's just overdone and predictable.


13 Mar 2009 - 11:1111666
I'm more interested to know what people think about if it's canon, because you wouldn't get anyone complaining if a straight canon couple were kissing, but would you have the same reaction to a Shuichi/Yuki (gravitation) kiss? Of course, one of the problems with that is you get into tricky situations, like Kuroshitsuji or Kyo Kara Maoh! (or even Tsubasa - Fai/Kurogane), where the writers go out of their way to encourage male/male pairings.

You also have to take into account that quite a lot of the time, it's two girls crossplaying, which confuses the issue even more. But if it's a straight couple cosplaying (for example, my ex and I did Shuichi/Yuki last expo) does it matter/count? And it might be a genuine couple even if it is m/m or two girls crossplaying. I spent an expo walking around hand in hand with a girl I had a huge crush on, and we were both crossplaying.

Personally, I enjoy it, although it does get a bit tiresome after a while. I think a lot of people take it too far - especially considering events like the expo are meant to be family friendly. A straight couple acting in the same way would be equally inappropriate.

Some shojo-ai would be nice.


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13 Mar 2009 - 11:2111668
im not a fan of yaoi or shounen-ai but ive sat down and watched it with my GF before and have nothing against it, its just the same as watching any other relationship anime but with shy boys, what gets to me is the growing younger age range (mainly at Expos) shouting to the high heavens about their male friends kissing to more or less show off. plus they seem to think that because its male on male that shouting things like "rape" is fine and normal (i use the yaoi panel last Amecon to back that last one up).


13 Mar 2009 - 11:2611670
^ freya i think you hit the nail on the head.

I think most people who shout yaoi/yuri or write signs saying Yaoi/Yuri do not know the actual meaning.

They probably just think it means love or kiss.

NOW i can name a few series of games and animes that have been ruined by these fangirls/boys who make characters into "yaoi" characters(when they should say shonen ai.) I know alot of people have become disheartened with series because of this not because of the gay imagery but for how obscured obsessive the fangirls/fanboys get.

seriously expo is ridiculous at times outside like how silver said. It's a family event. I've said this before in a thread previous but why behave like that at an "anime event", i bet they wouldn't do that at secondary school.

I can give a perfect example about my friend at may expo in his air gear costume and girls running up to him for "yaoi." 14 to 17 year olds crossplaying asking for yaoi from a 22 year old guy :/

i think we need someone like supernanny to sort em out

but i don't have things against cute guy to girl/shojo-ai/shonen ai pics of cosplayers with pairings that actually work. Just don't like people getting in my face with tongue and humping action.



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