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04 Jun 2013 - 12:08103560
I think it's time we talked about Con/Event behaivour
This has prompted by this blog post from Tonyo:
http://www.tonyotimes.com/29/post/2013/06/messy-excel-makes-us-cosplayers-look-stupid.html

I know it isn't totally about con goers and cosplayers but messes left by people and the damage done to property needs addressing. The venues are great in being able to allow us to have these events. People should not treat them like a dumping grounds. Control is something that is needed, (especially as far as booze is concerned). Also, I think some of it is down to overexcited 'kids' (for want of a better word). They often go a bit nuts because of the atmosphere and/or the fact they are away without their parents for the first time.

Also this isn't just an MCM issue. If you've seen the Monday morning after a con you'll know what I'm talking about. Dominoes Boxes and empty bottles everywhere.


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04 Jun 2013 - 12:18103561
It was the broken glass that got me and made me most concerned about safety - I mean some footwear isn't the most stable of things you can hope for in cosplay so if someone fell over on it? That'd be a nice trip to A+E for you. I could walk from one side out at the front of the centre to the other near the fringe stage and all I could hear was smashing glass! I even saw a few idiots deliberately kicking bottles down the stairs when I'd stopped to talk to someone. I wanted to rip their head off but didn't know how much they'd drunk - I'll be keeping an eye out for security next time.

There should be more policing about those statues that people keep climbing on too. It's bad enough that someone was badly hurt last year due to carelessness of people/staff on site (manhole left open) but falling from that would be pretty nasty too.


04 Jun 2013 - 13:36103568
it is sad when you have a group of people who are ruining the event (whether a con or in my experience an airsoft match) for other people by acting like they have only 1 brain cell.


04 Jun 2013 - 14:28103572
I don't want to be seen condoning this disgusting lack of courtesy for others, but I had difficulty finding bins, while inside the centre, which weren't overflowing.

I ended up carrying around a lot of rubbish in my bag until I could find somewhere to offload it.


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04 Jun 2013 - 15:56103579
I know there it can be difficult in regards to disposing of stuff. As far as smaller cons go the venue might not anticipate the amount of waste.

However things here appear to be out of hand. This also relates to general behaviour. In relation to MCM, it come to that people have almost started to trash the area and hotels. It's part of why the rates go up so much. They need to pay for the clean and and damage people are causing because they're being stupid.


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04 Jun 2013 - 16:24103580
One event that sprang to mind immediately when I saw this topic was GEMUCON

The cupcake incident

Gemucon gave a cupcake to each attendee as a thank you for supporting their first event. In all honesty the icing was way too sweet so most people didn't eat theirs. A lot of people simply left theirs either on a table or in a bin.
But some people thought it would be a FANTASTIC idea to smear the icing all over the bar/congregational area, including the lift buttons and stair banisters, stuff cupcakes in all the newspaper racks and generally use the cupcakes to create as much mess as possible. Some poor gophers then had to clean all of this up so that the hotel wouldnt kick the entire con out.

Why on earth do people think that doing something like that is okay? Some people just lack an iota of concern for other people, their surroundings and just generally anything that isn't themself or their own amusement.

I spoke to one of the gophers who had to clean up and I felt so bad for them. No one should have to spend 3 hours cleaning up icing off banisters and scooping out icing/sponge mush from a newspaper rack. Besides, stair banisters are there for people to hold onto. What if someone had tripped on the stair, and then found themself unable to grip the banister because it was smothered in goop? Someone could of got really hurt.

Sorry for my rant there but that incident really annoyed me by just how stupid and unnecessary it was.


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04 Jun 2013 - 16:43103581
I witnessed some of the glass on the Sunday of Expo. A friend of mine picked some up very carefully in order to put it in a bin, but they were big massive shards of broken bottles.
Absolutely horrifying. I'm thankful I was wearing sturdy shoes for the entire convention, but it makes me very anxious to think of people in less hard wearing shoes ;;


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04 Jun 2013 - 17:45103587
Quote AkujiDelano:
I witnessed some of the glass on the Sunday of Expo. A friend of mine picked some up very carefully in order to put it in a bin, but they were big massive shards of broken bottles.
Absolutely horrifying. I'm thankful I was wearing sturdy shoes for the entire convention, but it makes me very anxious to think of people in less hard wearing shoes ;;

Aww that was very good of your friend c:
I once went barefoot to a London Expo (as Rapunzel) and while I didn't step on any glass, I stepped in gum at least twice. Gross :c


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04 Jun 2013 - 17:58103588
That's worrying about the glass throwing. I was in a costume that entailed only wearing one shoe on the Saturday so I'm glad I managed to miss that. That's pretty fucking stupid behaviour at such a public event... well in general really but especially around so many people.


04 Jun 2013 - 18:01103590
oh god the cupcakes at gemucon is the perfect example of this. I was one of the gophers that helped clearing that up. It was ridiculous, it wasn't just the banisters, people were smearing hand prints into mirrors with the icing, smushing the cakes into the carpets and newspapers.


reality is at any event unfortunately there is always litter. but the glass is really bad, especially as cosplayers with uncomfortable shoes often go barefeet by the end of the day ><

it was sad to see people already hammered outside excel at by afternoon/early evening, especially with so many younger folk still about


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04 Jun 2013 - 18:49103593
Quote blissfulbanana:
it was sad to see people already hammered outside excel at by afternoon/early evening, especially with so many younger folk still about


Really? I don't get the need to get hammered at all let alone so early. This is a big part of the problem people get wasted and become complete *****.

I guess we can add mob mentality to this as well but still...


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04 Jun 2013 - 18:49103594
Somehow, they need to increase the security or something around Excel - it's the single worse event for this kind of behaviour. Just general people walking about and pointing out "that's not safe"

But some people, if you tell them that, just shove it back in your face. They're plain rude about it.


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04 Jun 2013 - 19:52103602
I couldn't believe how bad the mess was. At the end of Saturday my friends and I saw a large group of people get up to leave from sitting down, but they left a huge pile of rubbish on the floor. We saw them all walk straight past two bins that had room, but not one of them bothered to clean up after themselves.

Whilst there were some problems such as overflowing bins this expo, there were more than enough areas to dispose of rubbish. I hope people start cleaning up after themselves in October; it's very disrespectful to the venue.


04 Jun 2013 - 21:17103616
I was volunteering at the cosplay desk at Expo a couple of years ago, and there was a girl eating a lollipop who came up to the desk. She saw the little bowls of sweets we had on the table, and she'd just finished her lollipop. She just dropped the lollipop stick on the floor and reached for a sweet. If I hadn't been working the desk at that point and therefore bound by good conduct, I would've told her to pick up her bloody lollipop stick and put it in the bin that was RIGHT NEXT TO HER before she could have a sweet!

I think some people genuinely believe that it's okay to just drop stuff on the floor because 'somebody else will clean it up'. The Gemucon example is far worse because gophers don't even get paid to clean up that kind of crap. If people were smashing bottles in the street, they'd get picked up by the police for antisocial behaviour. Unfortunately there are few ExCeL security guards out the front as they are mostly patrolling the inside area.


04 Jun 2013 - 21:54103619
Before my post got deleted by the wonderful admin on the FB group for MCM (they just love me), I gotta say I've been harkin' on about this for a while now.

Expo has had a massive increase in bad behaviour, perhaps conventions are holding steady on bad behaviour. Expo just wants more and more, but the demographic of attendees are barely out of primary school who wish to re-enact their cartoons without the social stigma that used to be around for alternative media.

Gemucon with the cupcakes, probably a bit too forgiving for thinking that most gamers are all nice folk who actually eat their food and don't take the piss. Not gonna lie, tons of guys who probably dwell in their basements at that con.

If you don't have convention etiquette hammered into you by years of conventioning it's tough for many to see that it's not goddamn Ibiza. I guess that's what they expect; Hollyoaks, Skins, and whatever else drivel a teenager wants to emulate.

It's not the community that makes a difference. This is a far greater problem than goodwill can tackle alone. Prices will rise, rules will tighten and there'll be harsher penalties. We will all pay the price, but sooner or later there'll be a massive split where the offending parties go one way to indulge in what they do and the nice folk go another way to conventions that appreciatte good behaviour. Elitism and stigma will grow between these two parties and so on.

How can I tell? It's happened many many times over and not just with anime/manga/games/film/tv/media/cosplay conventions. Hell that stigma with being on Animeleague is still there even though I have friends who attend ALcon it's still somewhat of a bad word in certain circles.

Someone will come along and make money from these young drinkers, someone always does.


04 Jun 2013 - 22:42103621
I agree with everything Jae has just stated.

Not to point the finger at noobs. BUT! I have gone with a fair few newbies over the past years and I have come to notice the same problem. They all hold this certain idea how cons will be. They all hear our stories and I'm not sure how it happens but they somehow translate what we say into "go wild". Yes we have had fun and yes we have stories to tell but these are not stories from one weekend. These are stories that we have gain over time.
My own friends, who I have convinced to go to cons have annoyed me by some things they have said such as:

"I am going to get wasted and trash the place" - I know this may sound like they are joking and let me assure you that they are not. I have come down stairs to the bar at 11 and they are already going crazy with shots and not pacing themselves.

Guy friends have said "I'm going to get laid so much these weekend" - I have no idea how they got into their heads that all the girls are easy because I have not given any of them this sort of idea and it annoys me how they have no respect for the girls and create this image of them thereselves.

Girl friends have said "So many guys will love me" - they think just because they are female they will get attention Again I did not give them this idea.

What I am trying to say is that people walk in with this idea of trying to get lots of attention and feel the need to be loud and do silly things to get attention that they may not get in the non-convention world because these people have the same interest so they gain more confidence.

We have noticed that over the years, cons and expos have been getting more and more popular and therefore more attendees, and behavior getting worse over the years. We need to teach these attendees the manners that go with meeting new people and respecting areas that belong to the public.

I think I am mostly annoyed about when I was at the expo just gone I have never been so disgusted at what I had seen. I was returning to my hotel sat night/sun morn and the mess that I had encountered outside the Excel was horrible! I have been going for 7 years and that was my first time ever seeing it like that!


So you know...just simple things like manners and putting things in the bin or where you found them. Also build your expectations when your there and not before you arrive.

Rant/vent over. And sorry if what I have said has annoyed anyone it is just my personal opinion.


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05 Jun 2013 - 06:18103622
Quote JaeXD:
Hell that stigma with being on Animeleague is still there even though I have friends who attend ALcon it's still somewhat of a bad word in certain circles.

Someone will come along and make money from these young drinkers, someone always does.


With AL they had their chance, but (mostly) Towers was not interested in a love of anime. It was all about the lining of pockets and other unsavoury behaviour. They pretty much deserve what they get.

Appealing to drinkers? Isn't that what AL have been doing all this time? If anything they are in part to blame for encouraging similar behaviour at their events. Saying that even some of the established members of the con community have a dodgey attitude to alcohol at cons.


Tori Yummai, I think the things you've mentioned are the core of the problem here. Some people just have this pathological desire for attention which just gets made worse with booze.

I also think Security should be allowed to do more. Cut the wristbands and tell them to never come back would be great.

I'm up for events and cons to have a shared blacklist. I'm not sure how many people are banned from individual cons.


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05 Jun 2013 - 09:36103624
Maybe if security were more interested in sorting out troublemakers than policing wristbands, we might get somewhere.

But I suppose being glorified ticket inspectors is easier and better on profit margins


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05 Jun 2013 - 10:18103634
what weve noticed
we've noticed for the last 2-3 conventions at Londons mcm expo that the bars and such in expo are shut , I wonder if this was to curb the alcohol issue mentioned, which is a shame because it one of the few places that does ale which my friend likes , ive also noticed the bins in hotels are tiny no way can pizza box fit in there also no sigh of any recycling facilities . aslo another thing that annoys me is the night before expo we have people running around shouting and being noisy and slamming doors , the soundproofing on the travel lodge we stayed at was brilliant considering the DLR and airport were across the road , but when the noise inside is to much it kinda negates it it also means were still tired from traveling the next day and make it a little less enjoyable sometimes .on a side note the queing system on Saturday for fast track seemed a little disorganised . thants it for now lol but we had a great time anyways lemme know if you saw me about as either costume below or have any photos


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05 Jun 2013 - 10:31103636
Quote PandoraCaitiff:
Maybe if security were more interested in sorting out troublemakers than policing wristbands, we might get somewhere.

But I suppose being glorified ticket inspectors is easier and better on profit margins


Last time, that didn't happen didn't harassed during a photoshoot. I think the complaints about this have been addressed. Of course it is difficult to deal with some things with such a large foot traffic. There probably isn't enough venue security.

The problem is also how to deal with people in hotels...


I'm close to thinking that naming and shaming would be a good idea.


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05 Jun 2013 - 11:06103638
Quote Ice-climber:
Last time, that didn't happen didn't harassed during a photoshoot. I think the complaints about this have been addressed. Of course it is difficult to deal with some things with such a large foot traffic. There probably isn't enough venue security.


*shrug* Tickets are something that needs enforcing, but with over 70,000 paying customers, its really just security theatre. I saw some kids on the Sunday just sitting around quietly sunbathing, get pestered by two burly men to show their bands. Apart from the door people and the cops, that's all I saw of security.

Quote Ice-climber:
The problem is also how to deal with people in hotels...

I'm close to thinking that naming and shaming would be a good idea.


Maybe local hotels sharing details too. I noticed when I checked-in to the Premier Inn they wanted to know the names of everyone who would be in the room. If that could be cross-referenced with details of people who were warned about their behaviour in the hotel (after checking ID obviously), they could build up a blacklist for banning or requiring a damages deposit.


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05 Jun 2013 - 19:40103673
Ice Climber's blacklist idea is a little harsh even by my standards, but hell even I'd promote that idea given some fair method of utilising it.

Tori Yummai I agree with you too :3 I especially love the "I'm gonna get so laid this weekend" LOLWUT, yeah mate it's you and 500 other single men, go lube your asshole up. Besides the only ones that EVER get any sex are the people who attend with their partners anyway.

Quote cosplaymatt1:
we've noticed for the last 2-3 conventions at Londons mcm expo that the bars and such in expo are shut , I wonder if this was to curb the alcohol issue mentioned, which is a shame because it one of the few places that does ale which my friend likes , ive also noticed the bins in hotels are tiny no way can pizza box fit in there also no sigh of any recycling facilities . aslo another thing that annoys me is the night before expo we have people running around shouting and being noisy and slamming doors , the soundproofing on the travel lodge we stayed at was brilliant considering the DLR and airport were across the road , but when the noise inside is to much it kinda negates it it also means were still tired from traveling the next day and make it a little less enjoyable sometimes .on a side note the queing system on Saturday for fast track seemed a little disorganised . thants it for now lol but we had a great time anyways lemme know if you saw me about as either costume below or have any photos


I recall in 2005 having a pint in the bar upstairs in the ExCel centre itself, it was pretty sweet and you wouldn't believe how calm everything was. Crowding wasn't an issue and you could walk anywhere freely.
Hotels will always have small bins too, they don't like you bringing in outside food and will do anything to curb that. Slamming doors and running round annoys the shit out of me, I make it a point to find out who it is and report them to the hotel. Premier Inn will give you a free night's sleep if you're disturbed so they will do ANYTHING to help you get some rest, they don't wanna give that away for free.


05 Jun 2013 - 20:42103683
Although ice climbers black list idea seems a little harsh, sometimes you have to do drastic things to get the point made. Otherwise over the years it could get worse.


Also I think making it more expensive will cause trouble because a lot of people thing "I spent this much on it, so I can do what I want and get my moneys worth" When people spend a lot on something they suddenly think they have rights to it.


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06 Jun 2013 - 06:38103701
Quote JaeXD:
Ice Climber's blacklist idea is a little harsh even by my standards, but hell even I'd promote that idea given some fair method of utilising it.

Quote Tori Yummai:
Although ice climbers black list idea seems a little harsh, sometimes you have to do drastic things to get the point made. Otherwise over the years it could get worse.


Yeah I know I might a little hasty to reach for the banhammer, but what can really send a message at this point? Although putting in some like this fairly would be difficult.

I doubt anyone would try too hard to go against it if it were in place. I mean who would really commit fraud to go to a con?

Quote Tori Yummai:
Also I think making it more expensive will cause trouble because a lot of people thing "I spent this much on it, so I can do what I want and get my moneys worth" When people spend a lot on something they suddenly think they have rights to it.


I hadn't thought of that. I can definitely see that kind of mentality being present in some people. Pricing out some people is probably making the behaviour on others worse.


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06 Jun 2013 - 09:55103707
The real trick is discouraging/punishing the guilty without massively inconveniencing everyone else.

Or driving up the costs significantly - I'm a well-behaved cheapskate


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