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07 Feb 2009 - 19:4210532
Bleaching and Dyeing and the like
Ok, so i want to cosplay Zhen Ji from Dynasty Warriors 6 (http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/costume/view/6702 is a link to the costume, for some reason my computer won't let me attatch an image, sorry) ANYWAY, i'm wondering about buying dark purple polycotton, then bleaching it, dying it yellow and then orange. I was wondering if anyone has done something similar, and could tell me if you can do this with polycotton, as the people in my fabric shop said i'd be better off using normal cotton but i don't think i can afford this. Also wondering how i should put the designs on later, maybe fabric paint? If anyone has any suggestions for a better method, or can tell me if any of this will or won't work i would be grateful


10 Feb 2009 - 00:0310606
I have bleached and dyed poly cotton before but I haven't tried to achieve colours anyway like those in the costume! From my own experience, I bleached black poly cotton and it went a mustard colour then I re-dyed it grey. I don't know if it went a mustard colour purely because it used to be black fabric or it started as a natural colour that was later dyed black. If you're going to stick to poly cotton wouldn't it be an idea to buy a light colour and dye it in all the colours you need? Like I said I have no experience in dying polycotton in such vibrant colours so I'm not sure how it would work out!

For the patterns I think I would get some of that iron on printer paper and cut out the patterns then iron them directly only the fabric!!!


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10 Feb 2009 - 13:1510610
It might be easier to start off with white and carefully dye in the colours you want, because bleaching tends to have some very weird results. If you were to bleach it though, pure cotton would probably lose it's colour better (I'd imagine)


10 Feb 2009 - 15:4410611
As the others have basically said, polycotton isn’t ideal. The polyester in the polycotton won’t take dye, so you’ll get weaker shades. Probably also means it won’t bleach so well either, especially when trying to remove a darker colour. That’s why 100% cotton, or another natural fibre, is better than a synthetic blend. I would imagine that starting with white and dyeing all of it is the most reliable method, but that is a lot of work, and I can see why you want to start with purple if possible.

How about you get some swatches of purple fabric, both polycotton and other varieties, and test out how well the colour can be removed, and possibly also test how well they can be dyed? That’ll most reliably show which fabrics work, and if you’ll need to start with white or not. Also lets you practice the gradient dyeing and get used to it before attempting the real thing.


10 Feb 2009 - 16:3310612
Ah yes! Angelphie! You just reminded me! A lot of people don't know this but you can ask for swatches of the fabric you're after for free. At the one I go to I can get up 5 swatches! So you should do what Angelphie suggested and test them out first before you buy!


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10 Feb 2009 - 18:4310614
Quote Angelphie:

How about you get some swatches of purple fabric, both polycotton and other varieties, and test out how well the colour can be removed, and possibly also test how well they can be dyed? That’ll most reliably show which fabrics work, and if you’ll need to start with white or not. Also lets you practice the gradient dyeing and get used to it before attempting the real thing.


Ooh thank you, thats a really good idea I will definitely try that. I might also rethink and see if i can afford proper cotton, judging by what everyone has said it'll be better Thank you for all your help, i'll definitely use much of the advice here ^_^


11 Feb 2009 - 18:2410622
instead of making a new forum I'll ask here ^_^

my friend wants to make a Naruto outfit and he wants to dye a pair of grey joggies orange but isn't sure if they'll dye anyone know if they will or if it'd be better to make them himself? and if so any tips on that I can sorta see how it would work in my head can't be that hard can it? never made trousers before ^_^

also whats a good place to buy dye that'll work on clothes?

thanks


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Last edited by Xauriga (11 Feb 2009 - 18:26)
13 Feb 2009 - 01:4110687
Quote Xauriga:
instead of making a new forum I'll ask here ^_^

my friend wants to make a Naruto outfit and he wants to dye a pair of grey joggies orange but isn't sure if they'll dye anyone know if they will or if it'd be better to make them himself? and if so any tips on that I can sorta see how it would work in my head can't be that hard can it? never made trousers before ^_^

also whats a good place to buy dye that'll work on clothes?

thanks


Like we have discussed your friend will need to check the label. The joggies I have are 50% cotton and 50% polyester meaning it isn't 100% natural fibres and therefore we cannot be sure how well the colour will come out. If your friend isn't bothered about those joggies and doesn't mind spending the money on the experiment then I think he should just do it! If he does, I think those that have replied on this thread would love to know the answer to this mystery so you should report back to us!!!

On the other hand they could be 100% polyester, and I doubt fabric dye will work, I do wonder if Sharpies ink would work like they do on wigs... but that is quite a complicated process.

If you guys decide to make them, I'd suggest you keep it simple and just trace over the existing joggies. You just need to be aware that like in all items of clothing the back piece is always wider than the front piece. This is VERY important in trousers otherwise it will be embarrassingly tight on the bum! Someone might be able to explain this better but if you pick up the trouser by the outer seam of one of the legs (one hand holding it at the waistband and one at the bottom of the leg) then lay it down flat you will be able to see how great a difference the widths of the front of the leg is to the back. You also need to trace the crotch part of the joggies perfectly too because you need space there for movement and um also tackle!

Gunstar vixen posted a useful link http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=958
I'd imagine it will be very useful for you!

Also, unless I misunderstood, dye that works on clothes normally come from a fabric shop! Depending on what the shopping precinct is like you can also get them from craft shops! The most common brand (and only brand in UK?) is DYLON. I personally recommend the machine dye. It's a lengthy process but I'm lazy and like to let machines do the work. Oh and you always need a lot of salt when using dyes to fix the colour, it will say on the packet!


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26 Feb 2009 - 20:0111174
With regards to cotton and dye for the original question:
I used, I think, Berol at college studying textiles. You CAN dye polycotton but it's kinda thin and unevenly woven compared to proper cotton and you'll need to mix the dye stronger, or dye it several times. I would definitely save up for some 100% natural cotton because I use it all the time and it will definitely dye the way you want it to. I recommend cutting the right parts of the duster and then dip dye the one end purple (starting from a white cotton) and then the other end yellow, and then putting the orange on top the yellow (though be warned dye on top of another dye can be a pain). With the dipping technique it's a lot easier to get the exact colours that you want because you can just do it as required and mix the dye the way you want it. It's a shame you're on a tight budget >< As for the golden designs, there is a cheap fabric paint from Boyes (£1.99 a bottle I think) and it goes wonderfully smooth and flat and yet vibrant onto almost any fabric so I have no doubt this will work ^^ (Be sure to put the designs on before you sew the lining into it, just in case it goes through!)

As for the joggers:
I wouldn't think that the dye will look quite right unless you can take the grey out first, but most synthetic fabrics tend to be bleach-proof in some way or they will just fall apart at the bleach or go hard or something equally unenviable. Orange will have to go over the grey so you'll have orange AND grey at once and it might not be so good. I would make them from scratch to be fair with the correct coloured fabric, but I would invest in a cheap pattern if you haven't made trousers before ^^ Otherwise you CAN copy the joggers BUT you'll have to take into account that jogging bottoms are stretchy fabric as well as the shape of them not being really 'tubular' in construction (most people make trousers to be the same on front and back and as Georgi has said... it's not good to have butt seam rip!). Be sure you know what fabric you're using and what measurements you need ^^


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